Winter Tyres & Wheels @ ABP

ABP Motorsport · 14th October 2011, 11:25

Winter Tyres in the UK

Should we all be using 'cold weather' tyres?

In many parts of mainland Europe where winter weather conditions are generally more severe and more predictable than in the UK it is common practice, or even a legal requirement, for drivers to keep two sets of wheels and tyres – a set of 'summer' tyres and a set of specialist 'winter' tyres.
Winter tyres use a tread rubber compound (high silica content) and tread pattern specifically designed to retain flexibility in low temperatures (below +7C) and give good braking/traction performance on snow/ice as well as on wet roads in cold conditions . The sidewall of a winter tyre will be marked with a symbol showing a snowflake or snow-topped mountains.
Winter tyres are not really suited to all year round use though – summer tyres will give better performance when temperatures are higher and roads dry – so two sets of tyres are required if you're going to choose specialist tyres for winter.
Why are winter tyres not compulsory in the UK?

There are several practical and economic reasons why winter tyres are not compulsory in this country.

There are many parts of the UK that never or very rarely experience weather conditions that would justify use of winter tyres
There are many car owners who choose not to drive at all when snow or ice are around
Even assuming that the industry could supply tyres in sufficient volume, the overall cost would be prohibitive – estimated at £500/car x 30million cars = £15billion for wheels/tyres plus storage and fitting costs

Should I buy winter tyres?

Winter tyres make sense for drivers living in the more remote areas of the country where winter conditions are likely to be more severe for longer. Such areas are probably already targeted by tyre manufacturers' marketing campaigns and you may find tyre fitters offering tailored storage and fitting services in these areas too.
Read what others drivers say about winter tyres in The Zone »
Elsewhere it may be harder to justify the cost, though this has to be a personal decision taking account of the risk of extreme weather conditions, your confidence when driving in such conditions and the need to drive – or not – in such conditions.
Winter tyres are now produced by most of the main manufacturers and some suppliers will provide these pre-fitted to a set of steel wheels too.
If changing from alloy wheels to steel wheels you may have to change the design of wheel nuts used too. Ask the wheel supplier or car manufacturer for advice.
Winter tyres must be fitted in sets of four. Fitting only one pair will significantly affect the balance and stability of the car.
All Season Tyres

As an alternative, drivers could consider buying so-called 'All Season Tyres' which also have a high silica content for low temperature flexibility and a tread pattern somewhere between a normal summer tyre and an out-and-out winter tyre. Like all compromises they're unlikely to be as good as the best specialist tyre but can be expected to work better on wintry roads than a summer tyre.
Snow chains

If you can't justify the expense of buying a second set of specialist tyres for winter you might consider carrying snow chains for use in an emergency.
Snow chains are of limited use in the UK because you should only consider using them where the road surface is covered in a protective layer of compacted snow/ice.
Snow chains can be quite awkward to fit or remove particularly when the wheel arches are packed with snow and your gloved hands are cold and wet.
Fitting & using snow chains »
Insurance implications - winter tyres

If you fit winter or all-season tyres in place of your standard 'summer' tyres then there should be no need to inform your insurer – even though the speed index might be lower than the standard tyre specified by the car maker.
The lower speed index is still likely to exceed all national speed limits by a considerable margin – with the exception of some German autobahns – and is not checked as part of the passenger car MOT test.
If you follow the standard European practice of keeping two sets of wheels, one fitted with winter tyres and one with summer tyres, then there should be no need to tell your insurer so long as the winter tyres are fitted to steel or alloy wheels of the correct specification.
'Correct specification' in this context means that the wheel size – diameter, width and offset – conforms to the vehicle manufacturer's specifications. Check the vehicle handbook for details of wheel/tyre size combinations suitable for your car model and refer to the car manufacturer or dealer for further advice.
The AA has nevertheless heard reports of some insurers increasing premiums or remarkably even refusing cover if winter tyres are fitted. As a result we recommend talking to your insurer if you are considering fitting winter tyres.

According to the Association of British Insurers (ABI)

If anything winter tyres should reduce the accident risk and, by implication, drivers who fit them are likely to be more risk-conscious too.
The major motor insurers have all confirmed that they would not class fitting winter tyres as a material modification and it would not impact on the premium. The one condition would be that they would expect such tyres to be fitted by reputable garage/dealer, in accordance with the motor manufacturer's specifications.
Some said that they would not require the policyholder to tell the insurer these tyres had been fitted, but the ABI's advice is to play safe and tell your insurer anyway.

ABP Motorsport · 14th October 2011, 11:29

CIVIC 2001 - 2006

215/45x17 Yokohama W-Drive to fit OE 17” Wheels £135 including VAT
16” Steel wheel & Falken Winter tyre package (Set 4) £599 including VAT
(fitted with 205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter tyres)

CIVIC 2006 - 2011

225/40x18 Yokohama W-Drive to fit OE 18” Wheels £155 including VAT
16” Steel wheel & Falken Winter tyre package (Set 4) £599 including VAT
(fitted with 205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter tyres)

We have 10 sets of wheels & tyres available but the tyres are available separately so these prices are only whilst stocks last!

205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter Tyre only £89 including VAT

Fitting price for the wheel/tyre package in our workshop £20 including VAT
Shipping price for the wheel/tyre package (UK Mainland) £40 including VAT

These wheels will fit all 5 stud Civics along with any other Honda model using 5-114.3 PCD fitment.

The steel wheels use the original radius seat wheel nuts.

They will not fit cars fitted with large brake kits.

Please ask for me to get these deals when calling. Thank you!

ABP Motorsport · 14th October 2011, 11:42

16” Steel wheel & Falken Winter tyre package (Set 4) £599 including VAT
(fitted with 205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter tyres)

We have 10 sets of wheels & tyres available but the tyres are available separately so these prices are only whilst stocks last!

205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter Tyre only £89 including VAT

Fitting price for the wheel/tyre package in our workshop £20 including VAT
Shipping price for the wheel/tyre package (UK Mainland) £40 including VAT

These wheels will fit all 5 stud Civics along with any other Honda model using 5-114.3 PCD fitment.

The steel wheels use the original radius seat wheel nuts.

They will not fit cars fitted with large brake kits.

ABP Motorsport · 14th October 2011, 11:54

Reviews on these tyres listed above

Yokohama W-Drive : Yokohama W Drive | the Yokohama W Drive reviewed and rated | the online tyre guide

Falken HS439 : Falken Eurowinter HS439 | the Falken Eurowinter HS439 reviewed and rated | the online tyre guide

crowmar kirkliss · 14th October 2011, 18:59

Hello ABP Im after four 205, 55 r16. dont need them fitted.

can you send me a pm with your BEST price. I may come and pick them up as i will be in the area soon

ABP Motorsport · 15th October 2011, 10:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by crowmar kirkliss

Hello ABP Im after four 205, 55 r16. dont need them fitted.

can you send me a pm with your BEST price. I may come and pick them up as i will be in the area soon

I have PM'ed you with details.

crowmar kirkliss · 17th October 2011, 12:10

Hi abp, I will definately take a set, BUT the bank dont issue my new card till 5-7 days so can you hold a set back for me or arrange an instant transfer?

cheers

ABP Motorsport · 18th October 2011, 16:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by crowmar kirkliss

Hi abp, I will definately take a set, BUT the bank dont issue my new card till 5-7 days so can you hold a set back for me or arrange an instant transfer?

cheers

I have PM'ed you. We can sort it somehow for you.

Sean_C · 20th October 2011, 20:55

Hi Dave
I'd like a set of the wheels/tyre package.
My car is booked in at ABP for MOT & service on Monday 24th so I'll pick them up and pay for them then.
I don't need them fitting.

Sean

ABP Motorsport · 21st October 2011, 09:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean_C

Hi Dave
I'd like a set of the wheels/tyre package.
My car is booked in at ABP for MOT & service on Monday 24th so I'll pick them up and pay for them then.
I don't need them fitting.

Sean

Sean thats great thanks!

I will have them ready to put in the back for you.

Just to confirm, i have your car booked in for:

EBC Yellow pads front & rear
3rd service & check air filter
MOT
Fast road setup front & rear
Supply only 4 x winter wheels & tyre package

Hope this is all ok?

Sean_C · 21st October 2011, 20:10

Sounds good. See you first thing on Monday.

Sean

GavF · 22nd October 2011, 10:37

Your price
16” Steel wheel & Falken Winter tyre package (Set 4) £599 including VAT
+ £40 delivery
Total £639
(fitted with 205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter tyres)

My Tyres price
Steel wheels with winter tyres (LK 5 x 114.30 x 64.00)
Falken-Ohtsu HS-439 M+S marking BSW 205/55 R16 91H
Honda CIVIC 3DR 1.8 FN 1 1799ccm 103 kW 09.2006-
£ 591.60 delivered.

They appear to be the same tyre package. Can you beat this price?

ABP Motorsport · 24th October 2011, 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by GavF

Your price
16” Steel wheel & Falken Winter tyre package (Set 4) £599 including VAT
+ £40 delivery
Total £639
(fitted with 205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter tyres)

My Tyres price
Steel wheels with winter tyres (LK 5 x 114.30 x 64.00)
Falken-Ohtsu HS-439 M+S marking BSW 205/55 R16 91H
Honda CIVIC 3DR 1.8 FN 1 1799ccm 103 kW 09.2006-
£ 591.60 delivered.

They appear to be the same tyre package. Can you beat this price?

I think this is a different package? They are supplying the wrong tyre for the car. This package comes with 91H non extra load tyres and our package comes with the correct 94V Extra-load tyres. This has to be right for insurance purposes.

Hope this helps?

ABP Motorsport · 25th October 2011, 10:13

ABP Motorsport · 1st November 2011, 14:43

One important thing that alot of people miss is the load and speed rating of the tyre. This has to be suitable and recommended specific to the car. 94V is the correct rating for the Civics and anything below this has a strong chance of causing a problem with your insurance.

Even though this is a winter tyre, you probably will still be using the car on the motorway etc exceeding the speeds that the cheaper lower rated tyres are suitable for.

Just bear this in mind when buying the tyres thats all.

J. Derek Riddell · 1st November 2011, 15:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABP Motorsport

One important thing that a lot of people miss is the load and speed rating of the tyre. This has to be suitable and recommended specific to the car. 94V is the correct rating for the Civics and anything below this has a strong chance of causing a problem with your insurance.

Even though this is a winter tyre, you probably will still be using the car on the motorway etc exceeding the speeds that the cheaper lower rated tyres are suitable for.

Just bear this in mind when buying the tyres thats all.

As per the other thread - load, yes - speed NO - you can't drive safely at speed, even on bare tarmac, with "proper" winter rubber ...

ABP Motorsport · 1st November 2011, 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Derek Riddell

As per the other thread - load, yes - speed NO - you can't drive safely at speed, even on bare tarmac, with "proper" winter rubber ...

I know exactly what you mean but there is still an insurance issue. If anyone is unsure, please check with you insurance provider that they are happy with you fitting a lower speed / load rated tyre.

Sean_C · 12th November 2011, 21:22

I fitted my Winter tyres today, and thought I'd post a couple of pics.
I think they look good

Sean_C · 12th November 2011, 21:24

And another one

ABP Motorsport · 5th December 2011, 16:06

The cold weather is here!

Winter tyres & wheels in stock @ ABP

CIVIC 2001 - 2006

215/45x17 Yokohama W-Drive to fit OE 17” Wheels £135 including VAT
16” Steel wheel & Falken Winter tyre package (Set 4) £599 including VAT
(fitted with 205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter tyres)

CIVIC 2006 - 2011

225/40x18 Yokohama W-Drive to fit OE 18” Wheels £155 including VAT
16” Steel wheel & Falken Winter tyre package (Set 4) £599 including VAT
(fitted with 205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter tyres)

We have 10 sets of wheels & tyres available but the tyres are available separately so these prices are only whilst stocks last!

205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter Tyre only £89 including VAT

Fitting price for the wheel/tyre package in our workshop £20 including VAT
Shipping price for the wheel/tyre package (UK Mainland) £40 including VAT

These wheels will fit all 5 stud Civics along with any other Honda model using 5-114.3 PCD fitment.

The steel wheels use the original radius seat wheel nuts.

They will not fit cars fitted with large brake kits.

Please ask for me to get these deals when calling. Thank you!

14th October 2011, 11:25	#1 (permalink)
ABP Motorsport Commercial user Join Date: 14th March 2008 Location: Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 1,821 Thanks given: 133 Thanked 212 Times in 178 Posts iTrader: (2)	Winter Tyres & Wheels @ ABP Winter Tyres in the UK Should we all be using 'cold weather' tyres? In many parts of mainland Europe where winter weather conditions are generally more severe and more predictable than in the UK it is common practice, or even a legal requirement, for drivers to keep two sets of wheels and tyres – a set of 'summer' tyres and a set of specialist 'winter' tyres. Winter tyres use a tread rubber compound (high silica content) and tread pattern specifically designed to retain flexibility in low temperatures (below +7C) and give good braking/traction performance on snow/ice as well as on wet roads in cold conditions . The sidewall of a winter tyre will be marked with a symbol showing a snowflake or snow-topped mountains. Winter tyres are not really suited to all year round use though – summer tyres will give better performance when temperatures are higher and roads dry – so two sets of tyres are required if you're going to choose specialist tyres for winter. Why are winter tyres not compulsory in the UK? There are several practical and economic reasons why winter tyres are not compulsory in this country. There are many parts of the UK that never or very rarely experience weather conditions that would justify use of winter tyres There are many car owners who choose not to drive at all when snow or ice are around Even assuming that the industry could supply tyres in sufficient volume, the overall cost would be prohibitive – estimated at £500/car x 30million cars = £15billion for wheels/tyres plus storage and fitting costs Should I buy winter tyres? Winter tyres make sense for drivers living in the more remote areas of the country where winter conditions are likely to be more severe for longer. Such areas are probably already targeted by tyre manufacturers' marketing campaigns and you may find tyre fitters offering tailored storage and fitting services in these areas too. Read what others drivers say about winter tyres in The Zone » Elsewhere it may be harder to justify the cost, though this has to be a personal decision taking account of the risk of extreme weather conditions, your confidence when driving in such conditions and the need to drive – or not – in such conditions. Winter tyres are now produced by most of the main manufacturers and some suppliers will provide these pre-fitted to a set of steel wheels too. If changing from alloy wheels to steel wheels you may have to change the design of wheel nuts used too. Ask the wheel supplier or car manufacturer for advice. Winter tyres must be fitted in sets of four. Fitting only one pair will significantly affect the balance and stability of the car. All Season Tyres As an alternative, drivers could consider buying so-called 'All Season Tyres' which also have a high silica content for low temperature flexibility and a tread pattern somewhere between a normal summer tyre and an out-and-out winter tyre. Like all compromises they're unlikely to be as good as the best specialist tyre but can be expected to work better on wintry roads than a summer tyre. Snow chains If you can't justify the expense of buying a second set of specialist tyres for winter you might consider carrying snow chains for use in an emergency. Snow chains are of limited use in the UK because you should only consider using them where the road surface is covered in a protective layer of compacted snow/ice. Snow chains can be quite awkward to fit or remove particularly when the wheel arches are packed with snow and your gloved hands are cold and wet. Fitting & using snow chains » Insurance implications - winter tyres If you fit winter or all-season tyres in place of your standard 'summer' tyres then there should be no need to inform your insurer – even though the speed index might be lower than the standard tyre specified by the car maker. The lower speed index is still likely to exceed all national speed limits by a considerable margin – with the exception of some German autobahns – and is not checked as part of the passenger car MOT test. If you follow the standard European practice of keeping two sets of wheels, one fitted with winter tyres and one with summer tyres, then there should be no need to tell your insurer so long as the winter tyres are fitted to steel or alloy wheels of the correct specification. 'Correct specification' in this context means that the wheel size – diameter, width and offset – conforms to the vehicle manufacturer's specifications. Check the vehicle handbook for details of wheel/tyre size combinations suitable for your car model and refer to the car manufacturer or dealer for further advice. The AA has nevertheless heard reports of some insurers increasing premiums or remarkably even refusing cover if winter tyres are fitted. As a result we recommend talking to your insurer if you are considering fitting winter tyres. According to the Association of British Insurers (ABI) If anything winter tyres should reduce the accident risk and, by implication, drivers who fit them are likely to be more risk-conscious too. The major motor insurers have all confirmed that they would not class fitting winter tyres as a material modification and it would not impact on the premium. The one condition would be that they would expect such tyres to be fitted by reputable garage/dealer, in accordance with the motor manufacturer's specifications. Some said that they would not require the policyholder to tell the insurer these tyres had been fitted, but the ABI's advice is to play safe and tell your insurer anyway.

14th October 2011, 11:29	#2 (permalink)
ABP Motorsport Commercial user Thread starter Join Date: 14th March 2008 Location: Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 1,821 Thanks given: 133 Thanked 212 Times in 178 Posts iTrader: (2)	CIVIC 2001 - 2006 215/45x17 Yokohama W-Drive to fit OE 17” Wheels £135 including VAT 16” Steel wheel & Falken Winter tyre package (Set 4) £599 including VAT (fitted with 205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter tyres) CIVIC 2006 - 2011 225/40x18 Yokohama W-Drive to fit OE 18” Wheels £155 including VAT 16” Steel wheel & Falken Winter tyre package (Set 4) £599 including VAT (fitted with 205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter tyres) We have 10 sets of wheels & tyres available but the tyres are available separately so these prices are only whilst stocks last! 205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter Tyre only £89 including VAT Fitting price for the wheel/tyre package in our workshop £20 including VAT Shipping price for the wheel/tyre package (UK Mainland) £40 including VAT These wheels will fit all 5 stud Civics along with any other Honda model using 5-114.3 PCD fitment. The steel wheels use the original radius seat wheel nuts. They will not fit cars fitted with large brake kits. Please ask for me to get these deals when calling. Thank you! Last edited by ABP Motorsport; 25th October 2011 at 15:38.

14th October 2011, 11:42	#3 (permalink)
ABP Motorsport Commercial user Thread starter Join Date: 14th March 2008 Location: Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 1,821 Thanks given: 133 Thanked 212 Times in 178 Posts iTrader: (2)	16” Steel wheel & Falken Winter tyre package (Set 4) £599 including VAT (fitted with 205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter tyres) We have 10 sets of wheels & tyres available but the tyres are available separately so these prices are only whilst stocks last! 205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter Tyre only £89 including VAT Fitting price for the wheel/tyre package in our workshop £20 including VAT Shipping price for the wheel/tyre package (UK Mainland) £40 including VAT These wheels will fit all 5 stud Civics along with any other Honda model using 5-114.3 PCD fitment. The steel wheels use the original radius seat wheel nuts. They will not fit cars fitted with large brake kits. Last edited by ABP Motorsport; 14th October 2011 at 12:00.

5th December 2011, 16:06	#20 (permalink)
ABP Motorsport Commercial user Thread starter Join Date: 14th March 2008 Location: Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 1,821 Thanks given: 133 Thanked 212 Times in 178 Posts iTrader: (2)	Update The cold weather is here! Winter tyres & wheels in stock @ ABP CIVIC 2001 - 2006 215/45x17 Yokohama W-Drive to fit OE 17” Wheels £135 including VAT 16” Steel wheel & Falken Winter tyre package (Set 4) £599 including VAT (fitted with 205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter tyres) CIVIC 2006 - 2011 225/40x18 Yokohama W-Drive to fit OE 18” Wheels £155 including VAT 16” Steel wheel & Falken Winter tyre package (Set 4) £599 including VAT (fitted with 205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter tyres) We have 10 sets of wheels & tyres available but the tyres are available separately so these prices are only whilst stocks last! 205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter Tyre only £89 including VAT Fitting price for the wheel/tyre package in our workshop £20 including VAT Shipping price for the wheel/tyre package (UK Mainland) £40 including VAT These wheels will fit all 5 stud Civics along with any other Honda model using 5-114.3 PCD fitment. The steel wheels use the original radius seat wheel nuts. They will not fit cars fitted with large brake kits. Please ask for me to get these deals when calling. Thank you!

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ABP Motorsport Commercial user Thread starter Join Date: 14th March 2008 Location: Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 1,821 Thanks given: 133 Thanked 212 Times in 178 Posts iTrader: (2)	Reviews on these tyres listed above Yokohama W-Drive : Yokohama W Drive \| the Yokohama W Drive reviewed and rated \| the online tyre guide Falken HS439 : Falken Eurowinter HS439 \| the Falken Eurowinter HS439 reviewed and rated \| the online tyre guide

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crowmar kirkliss Banned Car: 2007 CTR Alabaster Join Date: 5th March 2011 Location: christchurch Posts: 2,012 Thanks given: 571 Thanked 223 Times in 201 Posts iTrader: (7)	Hello ABP Im after four 205, 55 r16. dont need them fitted. can you send me a pm with your BEST price. I may come and pick them up as i will be in the area soon

17th October 2011, 12:10	#7 (permalink)
crowmar kirkliss Banned Car: 2007 CTR Alabaster Join Date: 5th March 2011 Location: christchurch Posts: 2,012 Thanks given: 571 Thanked 223 Times in 201 Posts iTrader: (7)	Hi abp, I will definately take a set, BUT the bank dont issue my new card till 5-7 days so can you hold a set back for me or arrange an instant transfer? cheers

20th October 2011, 20:55	#9 (permalink)
Sean_C Supporter Car: 2008 CTR Nighthawk Black Join Date: 19th November 2008 Location: Bedford UK Posts: 37 Thanks given: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hi Dave I'd like a set of the wheels/tyre package. My car is booked in at ABP for MOT & service on Monday 24th so I'll pick them up and pay for them then. I don't need them fitting. Sean

21st October 2011, 20:10	#11 (permalink)
Sean_C Supporter Car: 2008 CTR Nighthawk Black Join Date: 19th November 2008 Location: Bedford UK Posts: 37 Thanks given: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	Sounds good. See you first thing on Monday. Sean

22nd October 2011, 10:37	#12 (permalink)
GavF Car: Type S GT Join Date: 10th May 2009 Location: Perth, Scotland Posts: 134 Thanks given: 8 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts iTrader: (1)	Your price 16” Steel wheel & Falken Winter tyre package (Set 4) £599 including VAT + £40 delivery Total £639 (fitted with 205/55x16 94V Falken HS439 Winter tyres) My Tyres price Steel wheels with winter tyres (LK 5 x 114.30 x 64.00) Falken-Ohtsu HS-439 M+S marking BSW 205/55 R16 91H Honda CIVIC 3DR 1.8 FN 1 1799ccm 103 kW 09.2006- £ 591.60 delivered. They appear to be the same tyre package. Can you beat this price?

25th October 2011, 10:13	#14 (permalink)
ABP Motorsport Commercial user Thread starter Join Date: 14th March 2008 Location: Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 1,821 Thanks given: 133 Thanked 212 Times in 178 Posts iTrader: (2)

1st November 2011, 14:43	#15 (permalink)
ABP Motorsport Commercial user Thread starter Join Date: 14th March 2008 Location: Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 1,821 Thanks given: 133 Thanked 212 Times in 178 Posts iTrader: (2)	One important thing that alot of people miss is the load and speed rating of the tyre. This has to be suitable and recommended specific to the car. 94V is the correct rating for the Civics and anything below this has a strong chance of causing a problem with your insurance. Even though this is a winter tyre, you probably will still be using the car on the motorway etc exceeding the speeds that the cheaper lower rated tyres are suitable for. Just bear this in mind when buying the tyres thats all.