I need to rant.....

[Unknownsoldier]

Originally Posted by FWH

Thanks for reminding me.
Anything that was more than 5 mins ago....

Was refering to tax.

No worries mate, as long as you don't do what I do* then everythings ok.


*Walk into rooms and forget why you went in there.

Tom

[aslz78]

Originally Posted by Unknownsoldier

*Walk into rooms and forget why you went in there.

Tom

Don't worry, i do that aswell. Maybe its a side effect of being in you 20's.

[sallytraffic]

Its when you do what I do that you are in trouble. I am a maniakleptiac.

I walk backwards into shops and leave things on the counter.

[beepee]

" The answer to the countries problems in the money area, which was the main point although it may be buried somewhat, are that public spending should be decreased, incentives given to increase the private sector which in turn will raise the bank balance of everyone, decrease taxation on the individual, and allow them to spend rather than save, this will then keep the countries economy booming. Simple really "


Problem with that is, booming economy= more jobs = more immigrants.

[Unknownsoldier]

Beepee; Which is where the death Star comes in! Seriously, I understand but (queues party piece, everyone runs for cover crying no not more history lessons!), take what Pitt the younger did, same problem, he increased overall spending to encourage a better economy, then used a semi-self filling bank account to wipe out the national debt in IIRC 50 years, we then expand on that and limit the amount of immigration (if necessary repatriating nationals who have no right or need to be here (i.e. those who are not fleeing for their life, or those who have a country closer to their own to offer aid, as well as foreign criminals etc. that should free up some space)). Now for the controversial bit, executions, if we 'remove' those who we are no longer in need of, like Ian H & Maxine C then that shall free up some space in the overcrowded prisons, thus not rquiring new ones to be built. And lastly 'scrap' the nhs, now don't all shout at once , we re-introduce it with a new system, if you have an illness like Diabetes you now receive only your diabetes and related medicines free (i.e. you would not get ezcema cream free or nasal spray unless it was for something directly related to the affliction), nothing else, if you visit the doctor you pay a charge, like a prescription charge (say 6.80 a visit like a prescription). Emergency/life preserving treatment is free, however elective surgery (Breast enlargments, sex changes etc. etc. etc. are fully chargable except in extreme cases like a mastectomy or whathaveyou).

Next scrap road tax and insurance, and have it all covered in one (although the amount you pay will be overall reduced). Then once road tax is abolished all tax from petrol sales goes toward road upkeep. Insurance and taxation will be directly linked to annual milage from the previous year, like a normal tax bill. This way heavy drivers pay more and vice-versa.

Aslz, I wonder if the 2-4litres of Pepsi I drink everyday is frying my brain, or is it that I'm so intelligent things of little importance are crushed by my genius thoughts (or maybe I'm just prematurely senile)????

SallyT ,; I'm not sure what to make of that, possibly some kind of dance

ATB,
Tom (and possible PM candidate with the CIVINFO party).

[bucketp]

Originally Posted by Anthony

I am very unhappy with this thread. The CivInfo website should be primarily about the Honda Civic and not about some pretty lurid political views. Could we just drop it please?

Anthony.

Isn't this why its in the NON Civic section?

[subarup1]

"Off Topic" ??

Thought so...

You may continue.

Sub.

[HappyMan]

Originally Posted by Anthony

I am very unhappy with this thread. The CivInfo website should be primarily about the Honda Civic and not about some pretty lurid political views. Could we just drop it please?

Anthony.

Anthony, this thread is in the the Any non civic chat area which is aimed at speaking about pretty much anything. Whilst I am not attacking you or belittling your comment, may I suggest that if you don't like it then don't read it.

People have a right to express their views and to be honest this thread/post is actually a) quite factual and b) very moderate.

Whilst I don't live in the Uk any more I do keep in contact through people on here, friends and family and it sounds a little sad.

I was speaking to some Polish friends the other day who have friends in the Uk, and they were telling me that a lot of their polish friends are leaving the UK because they are not happy with life in the UK. Also with the exchange rate being so low it doesn't make it that economical to be in the UK any more. In my experience of the Poles they are hard-working, conscientious and efficient and would put many british people to shame with the amount of work they do. However, I do think that they have a tendency to believe that the UK's streets are paved in gold.

The government of the UK has sadly lost the plot, it isn't for the people any more and it has run out of steam. The tax rises are a joke and are not business friendly, normal people friendly or country friendly. They seem to have forgotten that they are supposed to be the 'party of the people'.

I guess our only option is to change the government and that is in the next couple of years - the only reasonable party is the Tory party and I will be giving them my support.

What ever we think - Britain needs a change.

[Unknownsoldier]

Happyman, I agree, this thread so far has been moderate and constructive. And surely nothing can be a "rant", if it is mostly factual, as this thread is so far. Interesting the Polish are leaving....lets see if that appears in a paper soon, hmm don't think so, lol.

Tom

[HappyMan]

Originally Posted by Unknownsoldier

Happyman, I agree, this thread so far has been moderate and constructive. And surely nothing can be a "rant", if it is mostly factual, as this thread is so far. Interesting the Polish are leaving....lets see if that appears in a paper soon, hmm don't think so, lol.

Tom

It was on the BBC News website about it and I am meeting more and more poles who have returned to Poland from the Uk in the last few months. A lot of Poles have started to complain about conditions in the UK and are having problems finding work, this is turn has encouraged more and more to return home.

plus on top of that with the change in government over here, which has been and is a HUGE benefit and has changed a lot of opinions and brought in a huge amount of optimism to the country.

This is why I think that the UK needs a change in Government too! The Labour Party sadly has lost it's way and is now seemingly punishing the people of Great Britain for their mistakes. The economy HAS been mismanaged, the NHS HAS been mismanaged, Education HAS been mismanaged and no real change has happened.

I have to say that I think a change in government is need in the UK as it is in the USA. Bush has single-handedly destroyed what was once a great country. A change there is needed. I meet a lot of Americans who live here in Poland or elsewhere and are embarrassed by their president.

Britain was a great country and could be again as long as we stop apologising for our past and move on into the present and plan for the future!

[Foggy69]

Originally Posted by HappyMan

I guess our only option is to change the government and that is in the next couple of years - the only reasonable party is the Tory party and I will be giving them my support.

What ever we think - Britain needs a change.

I think most of us remember what a great condition the country was in after 18 years of the the last Tory rule. And how glad we were to see the back of them, and how New Labour was going to solve all our problems
Sadly, whoever you vote for, be it Labour, Liberal or Tory, politicians don't seem to be able cope with the power once they have it.

Answers. I don't have any

[HappyMan]

Originally Posted by Foggy69

I think most of us remember what a great condition the country was in after 18 years of the the last Tory rule. And how glad we were to see the back of them, and how New Labour was going to solve all our problems
Sadly, whoever you vote for, be it Labour, Liberal or Tory, politicians don't seem to be able cope with the power once they have it.

Answers. I don't have any

I mean the Tory part of today not 11 years ago. People easily forget the good and remember only the bad!

One of the things no-one could argue with after 18 years of a tory government was the economy and it was widely regarded as in the best shape of many years and enabled the success of the present government.

As I say I refer to the present day Tory party and I think the country needs a change.

[HappyMan]

Answers:

1.Let's stop arguing over what people get paid and complaining when people get paid well in the government - it doesn't always mean corruption - it might actually mean that something good is being done.

2. Let's stop fuzzing over what we pay our MP's and instead of complaining that they get paid too well, lets understand that they make our laws and they do have a difficult job, like the rest of us. Instead of trying to pay them less, lets' pay them more and get a better class of MP!

3. Let's move away from a system that has one party arguing with another not because the other party disagrees, but because it is good politics.

4. Let's get involved with politics rather than complaining about it.

5. Let's stop believing that if you smoke 700 fags a day that the NHS should/has a right to try and make you better - what about personal responsibility?

6. Let's start taking personal responsibility for our actions and not blame everyone else.

7. Let's have an open and mature debate about race, immigration and human rights rather than being scared to discuss this area because of the fear of being called 'racist' or 'fascist'.

8. Let's stop apologising for being british and be proud again and move on and stand proud in our convictions

Most of the answers are simple, but people make them difficult. There are as many economic ideas as economists and that should tell us something.

Is Great Britain going to the dogs - no! But it is being led there!

[NEEMSTAR]

happyman for PM

[sushi_chef]

Originally Posted by NEEMSTAR

happyman for PM

Gets my vote

[Moose]

I'm looking forward to a revolution!.... it's the only answer

[Foggy69]

Originally Posted by HappyMan

I mean the Tory part of today not 11 years ago. People easily forget the good and remember only the bad!

One of the things no-one could argue with after 18 years of a tory government was the economy and it was widely regarded as in the best shape of many years and enabled the success of the present government.

As I say I refer to the present day Tory party and I think the country needs a change.

The Tory party of today is very similar to the Tory party of old. A lot of the top bods are still leftovers from the failures of the Tory past. They have a leader who is more about style than substance. They still consider Margaret Thatcher as a great leader

I don't remember much that I could be happy about under the previous Tory government. Waiting lists got longer at the NHS. House repossessions rocketed. Inflation rocketed. High unemployment. Public assets were sold off to make very rich people even richer. Workers lost much of their employment protection, making exploitation of the work force easier. Bus deregulation. The decimation of the manufacturing industries.
And the privatisation of British Rail. What a superb railway system that gave us.

There are probably some good things to come out of the period, but much of the country suffered greatly at the hands of Thatcher.


Thanks Pumatron, I needed a rant too.

[jazzman]

Originally Posted by Moose

I'm looking forward to a revolution!.... it's the only answer

VOTE FOR THE HONDA CIVIC SPACESHIP PARTY FOR A HAPPY LIFE

[Foggy69]

Originally Posted by jazzman

VOTE FOR THE HONDA CIVIC SPACESHIP PARTY FOR A HAPPY LIFE

Yes, this is a cause I could happily support

[Unknownsoldier]

Originally Posted by HappyMan

Answers:

1.Let's stop arguing over what people get paid and complaining when people get paid well in the government - it doesn't always mean corruption - it might actually mean that something good is being done.

2. Let's stop fuzzing over what we pay our MP's and instead of complaining that they get paid too well, lets understand that they make our laws and they do have a difficult job, like the rest of us. Instead of trying to pay them less, lets' pay them more and get a better class of MP!

3. Let's move away from a system that has one party arguing with another not because the other party disagrees, but because it is good politics.

4. Let's get involved with politics rather than complaining about it.

5. Let's stop believing that if you smoke 700 fags a day that the NHS should/has a right to try and make you better - what about personal responsibility?

6. Let's start taking personal responsibility for our actions and not blame everyone else.

7. Let's have an open and mature debate about race, immigration and human rights rather than being scared to discuss this area because of the fear of being called 'racist' or 'fascist'.

8. Let's stop apologising for being british and be proud again and move on and stand proud in our convictions

Most of the answers are simple, but people make them difficult. There are as many economic ideas as economists and that should tell us something.

Is Great Britain going to the dogs - no! But it is being led there!

Didn't think people with this much sense still existed!

ATB,
Tom