Is it any wonder the police/pcso's get bad press??

Unknownsoldier · 31st March 2008, 15:11

Just been watching this as part of a course on media and propaganda; I think it's quite an abuse of power (especially when the PCSO hardly speaks English!).

2point8 Current.tv on UK Photo Restrictions

Would anyone else have been tempted to get nasty with that PCSO????

ATB,
Tom

sallytraffic · 31st March 2008, 15:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unknownsoldier

Just been watching this as part of a course on media and propaganda; I think it's quite an abuse of power (especially when the PCSO hardly speaks English!).

2point8 Current.tv on UK Photo Restrictions

Would anyone else have been tempted to get nasty with that PCSO????

ATB,
Tom

I found it outrageous, I must say.

My reaction would have been much the same as the photographer, if I was lucky ! Hard to see how he kept his temper.

The whole thing is sad indictment of what we are becoming

Makes me glad to have grown up in the 50's and 60's. I have real concerns about the future based on this kind of attitude from those supposedly in authority. Authority is not granted by a job as this person seems to think, but as a respect and regard for a job well done, personally and 'institutionally'. Any respect for this person rapidly evaporates the more he talks himself into a corner and disappears altogether with the 'telling' comeback of 'Shut Up !,. shut up'.

<sigh> I am getting more and more cross as I write, so I had better stop here !

Unknownsoldier · 31st March 2008, 15:38

Same here I was fuming more and more as I watched it! People seem to forget respect is earnt, not just a given. I don't resepct anyone until I know their measure (Tbh, I like it, it's easy hating everyone until you get to know them

). This guy obviously didn't know the law properly (afterall he is only a PCSO, glorified traffic warden reject, no offence to any PCSO's this after all a generalisation, I'm sure some of you are great, but the majority I've met, just like to wander round in a glowing uniform.). I had a hard time understanding the asian guy and the white guy with him were his final words shut up or F-off, my lip reading is terrible.

ATB,
Tom

Charles_Harding · 31st March 2008, 16:06

Have you tried getting into the States lately?

Everyone seems to have had to pass an I'm an Officious ******** test

Got in though......and got some of their money!

"My mate said to me in the pub last night,
'How's your headache?'
I said that she had gone to Bingo!"

sallytraffic · 31st March 2008, 16:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles_Harding

Have you tried getting into the States lately?

Everyone seems to have had to pass an I'm an Officious ******** test

Got in though......and got some of their money!

"My mate said to me in the pub last night,
'How's your headache?'
I said that she had gone to Bingo!"

Well, a GOOD story to report on that score. I was changing flights at Philly to get to Orlando. Took only hand luggage and was off the plane first so I got into a huge and empty immigration hall ! Handed over my visa waiver and the nice man (!) on the counter asked if I had been to the USA before. I said I had and he said 'In THAT case, Sir, you should know there are TWO sides to this form.'

Ooops !

He looked behind me into the empty Hall and said with a smile .. ' I am afraid, Sir, you must go to the back of the line and complete it.'

He let me fill the rest in where I was was and wished us a good visit.

But yes, he did get his little officious point made, but with some rare sense of wry humour.

PS Well done in exporting the dollars, Charles, what games did you play in the end, and which one gave you the winnings ? Glad you had a good time.

Unknownsoldier · 31st March 2008, 16:15

Yes Charles (I tried 2002 going to New York, just a little security conscious, hmmmm). Best bit was the plane trip, lands and everyone gets up to get off, and a voice comes over the tannoy, please remain seated, the following people have been selected for extra random security screening:

Mr Mahmoud Khan,
Mr Abdu Jabal
and so on and so forth, every asian guy on the planes was selected, ain't it grand they're not profiling people.

ATB,
Tom

Unknownsoldier · 31st March 2008, 16:16

I'm a poker man personally, Texas Hold 'em, whats yours???

Tom

Conrad'67 · 31st March 2008, 17:23

I thought anyone who was being filmed for a tv show has to give the show producers written consent to use images of themselves before broadcast. He was out of line stopping the guy filming for his personal use but surely would have a say in whether he could be filmed and the images used in a tv show.

allan40alt · 31st March 2008, 18:19

'nuff said:

Comments by Australian Prime Minister John Howard removed

aslz78 · 31st March 2008, 18:22

Really informative piece, Thanks Tom.

sallytraffic · 31st March 2008, 18:40

[quote=allan40alt;165126]'nuff said:

Comments re removed speech now no longer relevant.

NEEMSTAR · 31st March 2008, 19:03

I don't know why some people have felt it neccessary to include immigration and muslims in this debate. Surely this sort of work should be encouraged to enhance "integration" into the community.

Back on topic: The fake cop in question was a complete bellend and should be sacked for talking like that to a member of public. Tom do you know what did happen to him? Was the video shown to his superiors ?

allan40alt · 31st March 2008, 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEEMSTAR

I don't know why some people have felt it neccessary to include immigration and muslims in this debate. Surely this sort of work should be encouraged to enhance "integration" into the community.

By 'some people' I guess you mean me, so I'll wipe it as I do not wish to cause offence to anyone.

So, I guess, that's all for now folks! Bye.

NEEMSTAR · 31st March 2008, 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by allan40alt

By 'some people' I guess you mean me, so I'll wipe it as I do not wish to cause offence to anyone.

you did not cause offence , as i believe in what was said too, i just don't get why it was bought up in this thread

aslz78 · 31st March 2008, 19:45

I definatly dont think it needs to be deleted. For every negative stereotype theres always someone working twice as hard to give off a good impression.

allan40alt · 31st March 2008, 19:47

No problem, neemstar.

I agree it was perhaps not correct for this thread.

The reference by John Howard was only to those amongst us who wish to cause trouble and disruption, not to people in general, whatever their faith or where they originate from.

I respect the fact that it could be misinterpreted and have removed it on that basis.

LNT · 31st March 2008, 20:27

Why does the topic title include "Police" when its nothing to do with qualified police officers who know the law, and everything to do with unqualified and uninformed PCSO's? I saw no mention of any police officers being discourteous to anyone in that clip...

aslz78 · 31st March 2008, 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by LNT

Why does the topic title include "Police" when its nothing to do with qualified police officers who know the law, and everything to do with unqualified and uninformed PCSO's? I saw no mention of any police officers being discourteous to anyone in that clip...

Isnt that what a lot of media stories do, catch people with headlines then tell a different story?

LNT · 31st March 2008, 20:59

I thought the Civinfo community were a little more informed and intelligent that gutter press hacks...

Unknownsoldier · 31st March 2008, 22:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by LNT

Why does the topic title include "Police" when its nothing to do with qualified police officers who know the law, and everything to do with unqualified and uninformed PCSO's? I saw no mention of any police officers being discourteous to anyone in that clip...

PCSO'S surely are part of the police force?????

Tom

31st March 2008, 15:11	#1 (permalink)
Unknownsoldier Gobby the House Elf Car: 57' NHB Type S-GT 1.8 I-Vtec Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 4,706 Thanks: 205 Thanked 104 Times in 100 Posts iTrader: (0)	Is it any wonder the police/pcso's get bad press?? Just been watching this as part of a course on media and propaganda; I think it's quite an abuse of power (especially when the PCSO hardly speaks English!). 2point8 Current.tv on UK Photo Restrictions Would anyone else have been tempted to get nasty with that PCSO???? ATB, Tom Last edited by Unknownsoldier; 31st March 2008 at 15:14.

31st March 2008, 18:19	#9 (permalink)
allan40alt Supporter Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: England Posts: 2,763 Thanks: 44 Thanked 62 Times in 53 Posts iTrader: (0)	'nuff said: Comments by Australian Prime Minister John Howard removed Last edited by allan40alt; 31st March 2008 at 19:34.

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sallytraffic Supporter Join Date: 7th January 2008 Location: Sale, UK Posts: 500 Thanks: 15 Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts iTrader: (0)	[quote=allan40alt;165126]'nuff said: Comments re removed speech now no longer relevant. Last edited by sallytraffic; 31st March 2008 at 20:10. Reason: Post refferd to removed

31st March 2008, 19:47	#16 (permalink)
allan40alt Supporter Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: England Posts: 2,763 Thanks: 44 Thanked 62 Times in 53 Posts iTrader: (0)	No problem, neemstar. I agree it was perhaps not correct for this thread. The reference by John Howard was only to those amongst us who wish to cause trouble and disruption, not to people in general, whatever their faith or where they originate from. I respect the fact that it could be misinterpreted and have removed it on that basis. Last edited by allan40alt; 31st March 2008 at 19:49.

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Unknownsoldier Gobby the House Elf Thread starter Car: 57' NHB Type S-GT 1.8 I-Vtec Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 4,706 Thanks: 205 Thanked 104 Times in 100 Posts iTrader: (0)	Same here I was fuming more and more as I watched it! People seem to forget respect is earnt, not just a given. I don't resepct anyone until I know their measure (Tbh, I like it, it's easy hating everyone until you get to know them ). This guy obviously didn't know the law properly (afterall he is only a PCSO, glorified traffic warden reject, no offence to any PCSO's this after all a generalisation, I'm sure some of you are great, but the majority I've met, just like to wander round in a glowing uniform.). I had a hard time understanding the asian guy and the white guy with him were his final words shut up or F-off, my lip reading is terrible. ATB, Tom

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Charles_Harding Join Date: 14th August 2006 Location: S.E. London Posts: 3,321 Thanks: 113 Thanked 30 Times in 29 Posts iTrader: (0)	Have you tried getting into the States lately? Everyone seems to have had to pass an I'm an Officious ****** test Got in though......and got some of their money! "My mate said to me in the pub last night, 'How's your headache?' I said that she had gone to Bingo!"**

31st March 2008, 16:15	#6 (permalink)
Unknownsoldier Gobby the House Elf Thread starter Car: 57' NHB Type S-GT 1.8 I-Vtec Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 4,706 Thanks: 205 Thanked 104 Times in 100 Posts iTrader: (0)	Yes Charles (I tried 2002 going to New York, just a little security conscious, hmmmm). Best bit was the plane trip, lands and everyone gets up to get off, and a voice comes over the tannoy, please remain seated, the following people have been selected for extra random security screening: Mr Mahmoud Khan, Mr Abdu Jabal and so on and so forth, every asian guy on the planes was selected, ain't it grand they're not profiling people. ATB, Tom

31st March 2008, 16:16	#7 (permalink)
Unknownsoldier Gobby the House Elf Thread starter Car: 57' NHB Type S-GT 1.8 I-Vtec Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 4,706 Thanks: 205 Thanked 104 Times in 100 Posts iTrader: (0)	I'm a poker man personally, Texas Hold 'em, whats yours??? Tom

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Conrad'67 Supporter Car: 2007 CTR, Red Join Date: 18th July 2007 Location: Bonny Scotland Posts: 88 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	I thought anyone who was being filmed for a tv show has to give the show producers written consent to use images of themselves before broadcast. He was out of line stopping the guy filming for his personal use but surely would have a say in whether he could be filmed and the images used in a tv show.

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aslz78 The voice in your head Join Date: 17th September 2007 Location: - Posts: 288 Thanks: 6 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts iTrader: (0)	Really informative piece, Thanks Tom.

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NEEMSTAR You're or your.......... Join Date: 7th October 2007 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 2,530 Thanks: 50 Thanked 89 Times in 89 Posts iTrader: (1)	I don't know why some people have felt it neccessary to include immigration and muslims in this debate. Surely this sort of work should be encouraged to enhance "integration" into the community. Back on topic: The fake cop in question was a complete bellend and should be sacked for talking like that to a member of public. Tom do you know what did happen to him? Was the video shown to his superiors ?

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aslz78 The voice in your head Join Date: 17th September 2007 Location: - Posts: 288 Thanks: 6 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts iTrader: (0)	I definatly dont think it needs to be deleted. For every negative stereotype theres always someone working twice as hard to give off a good impression.

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LNT Join Date: 24th March 2007 Location: England Posts: 307 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	Why does the topic title include "Police" when its nothing to do with qualified police officers who know the law, and everything to do with unqualified and uninformed PCSO's? I saw no mention of any police officers being discourteous to anyone in that clip...

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LNT Join Date: 24th March 2007 Location: England Posts: 307 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	I thought the Civinfo community were a little more informed and intelligent that gutter press hacks...