Watch out for Horse boxes in N.Wales, they hold more than just Horses!

[Unknownsoldier]

BBC NEWS | Wales | Police use anti-speeding horsebox

Does anyone find this a bit disconcerting, that they are blatantly trying to catch people rather than make the roads safer????

Tom

[NEEMSTAR]

lol its hard to be mad about stuff like this anymore, we should be use to it
pretty soon all cars will be fitted with GPS boxes anyway. go over the speed limit and automatic fine posted to your house
labour FTW

[Unknownsoldier]

Originally Posted by NEEMSTAR

lol its hard to be mad about stuff like this anymore, we should be use to it
pretty soon all cars will be fitted with GPS boxes anyway. go over the speed limit and automatic fine posted to your house
labour FTW

I'll be removing mine if it has one, and nuts to big brother!

Tom

[NEEMSTAR]

lol get taken to court if you do that and shoved into our overcrowded prisons Tom, while the real crims live it up

The older people on this site probably feel the same way about our generation but the next generations will definitely not have any fun or freedom at all or even the chance to learn from mistakes.

Big bro is well and truely here !

[Unknownsoldier]

I'd be willing to do that, my grandfather and great grandfather both fought for our freedom liberty, just because my battle is not in Flanders field it is no less just and necessary.

Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori - or something similar.

Tom

[rmh999]

I remember a recent article that stated that the cameras had not been type approved to be used "from a vehicle" surely this would therefore invalidate the tickets.

ALSO
Police admit speed camera scandal

By Steve Farrell
Politics & the law
20 March 2008 16:45

Police have admitted dropping 120 speeding cases over allegations a camera operator “fixed” the speeds.

• Read the original story here

A force insider had earlier told MCN an operator was accused of deliberately setting speed readings to make it appear motorists were travelling faster than they actually were.
Kent Police this afternoon issued a statement which included: “We've suspended a member of police staff on a procedural matter pending an internal investigation. This is standard practice while an inquiry is conducted.
"Kent Police is investigating the way in which speed camera equipment was used on a particular occasion. We cannot go into detail until enquiries have been completed. Speed enforcement by the Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership continues as normal…
“It is a procedural issue that relates to the use of the equipment. For guidance - the equipment cannot be 'fixed' to read a higher speed. This is an operative issue.
“We have discontinued 120 cases as a precaution while we investigate.”
In November MCN exposed a leaked internal Kent Police email telling officers use of all laser speed guns had been suspended. A sergeant admitted people may have been wrongly convicted due to devices being used incorrectly.
The force has since refused to co-operate with all enquiries on the matter.

[Unknownsoldier]

Yes, around 80% of cameras used in the Uk have something 'wrong' with them that could possibly invalidate a ticket, most common non-calibration, and contrary to something someoine else has said, they can't be calibrated after your ticket has been issued. I would also agree if it isn't of the type approved for vehicle use then I would appeal.

ATB,
Tom

[Unknownsoldier]

Originally Posted by rmh999

I remember a recent article that stated that the cameras had not been type approved to be used "from a vehicle" surely this would therefore invalidate the tickets.

ALSO
Police admit speed camera scandal

By Steve Farrell
Politics & the law
20 March 2008 16:45

Police have admitted dropping 120 speeding cases over allegations a camera operator “fixed” the speeds.

• Read the original story here

A force insider had earlier told MCN an operator was accused of deliberately setting speed readings to make it appear motorists were travelling faster than they actually were.
Kent Police this afternoon issued a statement which included: “We've suspended a member of police staff on a procedural matter pending an internal investigation. This is standard practice while an inquiry is conducted.
"Kent Police is investigating the way in which speed camera equipment was used on a particular occasion. We cannot go into detail until enquiries have been completed. Speed enforcement by the Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership continues as normal…
“It is a procedural issue that relates to the use of the equipment. For guidance - the equipment cannot be 'fixed' to read a higher speed. This is an operative issue.
“We have discontinued 120 cases as a precaution while we investigate.”
In November MCN exposed a leaked internal Kent Police email telling officers use of all laser speed guns had been suspended. A sergeant admitted people may have been wrongly convicted due to devices being used incorrectly.
The force has since refused to co-operate with all enquiries on the matter.

Thats what I pointed out to them, and what got my ticket quashed.

I was sure I was doing maximum, 52-3 they hadm e at 59, no way!

ATB,
Tom

[Foggy69]

Originally Posted by Unknownsoldier

Does anyone find this a bit disconcerting, that they are blatantly trying to catch people rather than make the roads safer????

Isn't it the job of the police to catch people breaking the law.
And how does letting people speed make the roads safer?

In another thread, I think you had a moan that speed cameras that are well advertised and visible are useless because you just slow down and speed up after you passed. So you don't like them visible, you don't like them hidden.
Speed humps are a pain in the back. Traffic calming just gives you a chicane to practise your Petter Solberg driving technique. Shock adverts don't seem to work.

So you don't like how one of the most dangerous environments most of us have to deal with regularly is policed.

How are you going to make the roads safer for all users then

Originally Posted by Unknownsoldier

I'd be willing to do that, my grandfather and great grandfather both fought for our freedom liberty, just because my battle is not in Flanders field it is no less just and necessary.

Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori - or something similar.

Tom

With freedom and liberty, comes responsibility and respect for the laws of the land.
We can't pick and chose what laws we respect and those we chose to ignore.

"It is sweet and fitting to die for one's country."
I suppose, as long it's not in a car crash caused by a speeding driver

[LNT]

I think a camera in a horsebox is a bit pathetic. I mean, you'd potentially slow down if you saw a horsebox parked at the side of the road anyway, because a horse might be about to be taken out of it. The DOT have certain recommendations about speed cameras but if it's not law, I suppose the nutters at NWP can do as they like.

Thank heavens for cruise control!

[ctrdaveg]

I always thought that cameras of any kind, used by the police, must be visible to enable them to pull you up for speeding. ??

There must be 2 officers present and as mentioned elsewhere the camera doesn't always give an accurate reading with different vehicles.
Traffic cops following you is a different matter. Their speedo's are calibrated, etc.
Correct me if I'm wrong

Always appeal !! It works

[LNT]

Originally Posted by ctrdaveg

I always thought that cameras of any kind, used by the police, must be visible to enable them to pull you up for speeding. ??

There must be 2 officers present and as mentioned elsewhere the camera doesn't always give an accurate reading with different vehicles.
Traffic cops following you is a different matter. Their speedo's are calibrated, etc.
Correct me if I'm wrong

Always appeal !! It works

Not sure about that. Up our way the mobile camera operator isn't a cop, and it's the county council who actually operate them. You don't get stopped, just a letter and, depending on the speed, a summons.

Not sure about always appealing either. If you do lose, the penalty is increased and you end up paying costs too.

[ctrdaveg]

[quote=LNT;166150]Not sure about that. Up our way the mobile camera operator isn't a cop, and it's the county council who actually operate them. You don't get stopped, just a letter and, depending on the speed, a summons. quote]

A friend of mine got one of those and won his appeal because the picture has to show and able to recognise the driver before they can fine you.
I've never been caught yet.

[TTDegs]

[quote=ctrdaveg;166153]

Originally Posted by LNT

Not sure about that. Up our way the mobile camera operator isn't a cop, and it's the county council who actually operate them. You don't get stopped, just a letter and, depending on the speed, a summons. quote]

A friend of mine got one of those and won his appeal because the picture has to show and able to recognise the driver before they can fine you.
I've never been caught yet.

I thought that had been changed to it being the responsibility of the owner to provide proof that it wasn't them driving?

I could well be wrong though!

[Unknownsoldier]

[quote=TTDegs;166420]

Originally Posted by ctrdaveg

I thought that had been changed to it being the responsibility of the owner to provide proof that it wasn't them driving?

I could well be wrong though!

No, there are ways around it, if you can provide enough 'evidence' that it MAY not have been you, then the court technically has to find in your favour, as it is innocent until proven guilty (Thats the technique the police use ).

BTW, Foggy I'm sure I have never said any speed camera's were a good idea , except those outside schools or near the few Black spots we actually have. My real deep down problem is that: they rarely catch idiots who drive dangerously (like drink drivers, those who don't indicate, are ignorant of other road users etc. etc. etc., all proven far more dangerous than sppeding, it has been shown the governments statistics are flawed purely by the way they were collected and displayed, in that they did not acknowledge for example that drivers who crashed whilst speeding had also been drinking or it was bad weather etc. etc.), just those who may have gone accidentally a mile or two above the limit, my argument always has been that you should be watching the road not your speedo :

Take for instance travelling at 50 mph, you look at the speedo, it takes say 2-3 seconds (dependant upon age and ability) in that 2 seconds you would travel (lets have a go at working this one out shall we Carol, ooh Countdown flashback);

50 (mph)/ 60 minutes = 0.83 [recurring] miles per minute;
Divide that by into a minute so;
0.83 MPM [recurring] then becomes;
0.013888888888888888888888888888889 per second, then multiply that by say 2 (or three) to get distance travelled per second (hoping this is correct so far, my maths is not 100% [I only got a C ]);
0.013888888888888888888888888888889 X 2 (3) =
0.027777777777777777777777777777778 (0.041666666666666666666666666664) travelled in the tijme you checked your speedo to prevent going a couple of mph over the limit:

Int that couple of seconds:

BANG!!!!!!!!!!

I love this bit from the DFT (or Daft as many know it):

"And that if it is estimated that for each
1mph reduction in average speed,
accident frequency is reduced by 5%"

So if you regularly travel only at 30mph, and you reduce your speed by say 20mph, then your chance of an accident goes down by 100% and if you stop, then the chance of having an accident become 150% (??????) So technically if we stop driving we can start bringing people back to life? :Lol:

Another piece from the same site:

Unfortunately speed contributes to
those collisions, deaths and injuries.
There exists no precise figure for the
contribution speed makes to causing
the collisions, but analysis of casualty
statistics in Great Britain has shown
excessive speed to be a contributory
factor in 12% of all injury collisions,
18% where there is a serious injury
and 28% of all collisions which result
in a fatality.

Surely that is a contradiction??? No accurate figures exists, but in the next part of the sentence we'll give you some?

ATB,
Tom

[TTDegs]

lies, damn lies and statistics...

[Unknownsoldier]

And the amount of people who follow them blindly is amazing.

Tom

[Unknownsoldier]

Update:

YouTube - MCN news: Police hide speed camera in horse box

Just to show this camera is totally illegal: no signs (in the road, which by law I beleive speed camera operators are required to use) and the camera in use is not tested for use in a vehicle!

Tom

[Unknownsoldier]

YouTube - The Truth About Speed Cameras - part 1 See this and tell me that camera's arn't wrong!

Tom