Younger drivers - Posts split from Type R insurance

[HappyMan]

Originally Posted by Redciv

Well FWH super moderator, you impose your decision on the rest of us and move a lot of posts which inspired considerable discussion, including mine.
I have visited this site almost daily for 18 months but have contributed few posts & only when I felt it relevant.
I did not stray outside any rules, wasn't rude & gave a point of view.
I note my post has been moved.
I won't be dictated to.
Stick your site.
I won't be visiting again.

I am sorry I think that is a little over the top. The moderators generally do a great job on here and whilst on this occasion I have disagreed with FWH I have taken the point of writing to him privately to make my points known which is a better way and more constructive.

I am sorry you won't be visiting again but hope you do.

[robbo51]

Originally Posted by harleyfatboy

Why....on A Steel Horse I Ride

Because then we can chat about the 'universe and everything'
Oh...and you can make a contribution to the site...
Then you can write this:
ON A STEEL HORSE AS A SUPPORTER I RIDE

[Jack The Lad.]

To help support the Forum mate, coz it doesn't run on hot air.

[HappyMan]

Originally Posted by harleyfatboy

Happy man... My experience of drivers with the teashirt , and video , book, film rights, is that they rely a little to much on.... yo man ive been driving for light years so im hotttt ...no problem i cant cope with ...that is driver apathy... you dont want that.... you want common sense , reaction time , the right attitude , some thing all ages can possess ...but not all implement.....ON A STEEL HORSE I RIDE

HFB you are classic!

I understand your point and it isn't driver apathy that I am talking about, although you make a good point.

I still don't agree that younger drivers - on the whole - have enough experience to deal with a myriad of situations all at once. I personally know that the reactions I had ten years ago to driving have improved with age even though I am only 34 years old. My experience enables me to assess situations based on past experiences, enables me to judge speeds and dangers. I think that when you have a performance car you always want to push it that much further and 'see what it can do' - maybe a more experienced driver, maybe like yourself or others on here would be able to look at the situation in a different way and so on.

I do take your driver apathy point and it's one worth including in this discussion.

[robbo51]

Originally Posted by Redciv

Well FWH super moderator, you impose your decision on the rest of us and move a lot of posts which inspired considerable discussion, including mine.
I have visited this site almost daily for 18 months but have contributed few posts & only when I felt it relevant.
I did not stray outside any rules, wasn't rude & gave a point of view.
I note my post has been moved.
I won't be dictated to.
Stick your site.
I won't be visiting again.

Dont go...Its just getting going again...LOL

[harleyfatboy]

Jack the lad ...First off im not your mate...secondly there is enough hot air on this site ....ON A STEEL HORSE I RIDE

[HappyMan]

Originally Posted by robbo51

Because then we can chat about the 'universe and everything'
Oh...and you can make a contribution to the site...
Then you can write this:
ON A STEEL HORSE AS A SUPPORTER I RIDE

Sorry I am on the floor crying with tears of laughter

Come on HFB join the club, we aren't THAT bad!

[Jack The Lad.]

That's true and I'm glad that you are not.
All this hot air seems to have arrived about the same time as you.
Ease up HFB, you are probably a nice guy really.

[HappyMan]

Originally Posted by Jack The Lad.

That's true and I'm glad that you are not.
All this hot air seems to have arrived about the same time as you.
Ease up HFB, you are probably a nice guy really.

Guys come on let's not get the post closed or split again.

HFB jack the lad was just being nice and welcoming and I agree with JTL relax and get involved with us.

[HappyMan]

Let's get back to a good discussion, shall we?

[Jack The Lad.]

Erm, what was it. ?
Oh yes, - 21 year olds should only be allowed to ride Mopeds.

[HappyMan]

Originally Posted by Jack The Lad.

Erm, what was it. ?
Oh yes, - 21 year olds should only be allowed to ride Mopeds.

Now there is a good idea

But should they be restricted to smaller engines for a couple of years?

[Jack The Lad.]

Certainly HM,
A 3.5cc diesel of the type I installed in my model airplanes when I was a kid, but they must be attached to hand controlled cords.

[HappyMan]

Originally Posted by Jack The Lad.

Certainly HM,
A 3.5cc diesel of the type I installed in my model airplanes when I was a kid, but they must be attached to hand controlled cords.

Maybe you can upgrade them to be wireless

[NEEMSTAR]

lol you "experienced" guys make me laugh
i agree insurance stats show that young drivers have more accidents but i'm going to stick my neck out and say most of them are probably at low speed - reversing e.t.c
and when you do get a youngster dying in a high speed crash its in the news and high profile because more than likely his 4 mates died with him. peer pressure? most definitely, but as i said in the other split topic a lot of it comes down to attitude and how someone was brought up. not everyone gives into peer pressure.
anyway i drive a 100 miles round trip to uni everyday, and i feel i am MORE THAN competent enough to deal with ANY situation, just as well as you so called "experienced" drivers. i know im not the perfect driver but neither are any of you
Like i said i don't think experience in driving should be defined by how many years you have been driving.
Also when i was 20 i had a ferrari 360 on hire for a mates wedding for a week, was i inexperienced for that car, YES , but was i sensible and learn how to control the power and urge, YES
experience? what a load of old b......

[HappyMan]

Originally Posted by NEEMSTAR

lol you "experienced" guys make me laugh
i agree insurance stats show that young drivers have more accidents but i'm going to stick my neck out and say most of them are probably at low speed - reversing e.t.c
and when you do get a youngster dying in a high speed crash its in the news and high profile because more than likely his 4 mates died with him. peer pressure? most definitely, but as i said in the other split topic a lot of it comes down to attitude and how someone was brought up. not everyone gives into peer pressure.
anyway i drive a 100 miles round trip to uni everyday, and i feel i am MORE THAN competent enough to deal with ANY situation, just as well as you so called "experienced" drivers. i know im not the perfect driver but neither are any of you
Like i said i don't think experience in driving should be defined by how many years you have been driving.
Also when i was 20 i had a ferrari 360 on hire for a mates wedding for a week, was i inexperienced for that car, YES , but was i sensible and learn how to control the power and urge, YES
experience? what a load of old b......

i agree with you NEEMSTAR. Experience isn't just about years driving it is also about miles/kilometres driven. I agree that a young person with a round trip of 100 miles per day would be gaining valid experience and so could there fore be called 'experienced'. I accept your point that not every 'older' person has actually 'driven' a lot and so therefore would and could still be considered as 'inexperienced'.

Maybe part of the problem in this discussion is the definition of 'experienced'?

Surely NEEMSTAR is right that 'experience' can't be just connected to age but to actual miles covered?

[ashkeenon]

I personally think all drivers should no their own limits when driving a car, no matter what type of car you adjust it to suit your comfort level of driving just because its fast dosnt mean you have to drive it fast, drive it where you feel comftable and obviously within the speed limit that is!!!!

Im sure every one has had a few hairy moments when driving their car ive had a good few and from them you learn your limits and learn from your mistakes and adjust it for the next time, and of course the more experiance driving the more comftable you feel driving the car.

I do agree that it wouldnt be the most sensible thing giving a 17 year old a fast car but i guess it just depends on the type of person driving it although at some point you will need to gain that experiance in a fast car and get used to the difference.

Enjoy the car and i guess no your limits and be responsible is the best advice to anyone young or old.

Anyway ramble ramble..... whats the cheapest quote you have had so far did you find any good ones as im looking about aswell Premium choice has gave me the best quote so far maybe because im still with them for my current car but tesco looks not to bad aswell.

[Vet_2010]

I'm sorry but you can't just brandish all young drivers with the image that they are careless and incapable of driving a powerful car! To be honest I find it quite surprising that people who are commenting on how you require experience don't appear themselves to have the maturity to see past a common stereotypy and realise that not all young drivers are the same.

I can see your point and no one can deny the statistics, yes young drivers are more likely to have an accident! However, I think that if the power of the car was related to the likelihood of a young driver having an accident the government would have realised this by now and restricted new drivers on what vehicles they can drive.

Is it really going to make that much of a difference if someone is driving a Type-R at 100mph or a clapped out Clio at 100mph? I doubt very much it will. Just because the Type-R is a powerful car does not mean it is above the law or can do anything extra that other cars on British roads can’t.
If a young driver is of the mind frame that they’re going to show off to their friends and that they ‘feel invincible’, they are going to do so no matter what car they are in. Yes the Type-R may have a faster 0-60 and a greater top speed but if they’re going for speed and they’re up in the 100’s I think it’s much of muchness as to what difference it will really make.

The reason I felt so compelled to speak up is that I considered the Type-R, and despite not having gone for one, reading this thread and pretty much being told that I shouldn’t be allowed a Type-R simply because I’m 21 is rather ridiculous. The reason I wanted a Type-R was not necessarily for the performance but because I consider it to be the best looking of all the Civics. For everyday driving on the public highway, the fact that the Type-R is 2 or so seconds faster than my Civic really wouldn’t make any difference to my driving style or increase my likelihood of having an accident. If anything it would decrease it as I sure as heck wouldn’t have anyone put a mark on it, let alone myself cause damage to it!

I hope I haven’t offended anyone, it certainly isn’t my intention. I have found this forum to be very informative and manned by a great bunch of people that have been extremely helpful. I simply will not sit back and silently accept criticism just because of my age!
Regards,

Colin

[ashkeenon]

Oh just kinda wrote what NEEMSTAR said must be a quicker typer than me. I agree with what you say to.

I got a honda civic from my aunt who had the car from new and drove 58,000 miles in 8 years and ive had the car for 2 years around august and the car has now done 93,000 miles so it does show that experience is down to how much miles you drive and not how long.

VET 2010, i chose the type r for the reasons you stated and i think uve hut the nail on the head if there gonna speed they will do it in any car.

[NEEMSTAR]

Originally Posted by Vet_2010

I'm sorry but you can't just brandish all young drivers with the image that they are careless and incapable of driving a powerful car! To be honest I find it quite surprising that people who are commenting on how you require experience don't appear themselves to have the maturity to see past a common stereotypy and realise that not all young drivers are the same.

I can see your point and no one can deny the statistics, yes young drivers are more likely to have an accident! However, I think that if the power of the car was related to the likelihood of a young driver having an accident the government would have realised this by now and restricted new drivers on what vehicles they can drive.

Is it really going to make that much of a difference if someone is driving a Type-R at 100mph or a clapped out Clio at 100mph? I doubt very much it will. Just because the Type-R is a powerful car does not mean it is above the law or can do anything extra that other cars on British roads can’t.
If a young driver is of the mind frame that they’re going to show off to their friends and that they ‘feel invincible’, they are going to do so no matter what car they are in. Yes the Type-R may have a faster 0-60 and a greater top speed but if they’re going for speed and they’re up in the 100’s I think it’s much of muchness as to what difference it will really make.

The reason I felt so compelled to speak up is that I considered the Type-R, and despite not having gone for one, reading this thread and pretty much being told that I shouldn’t be allowed a Type-R simply because I’m 21 is rather ridiculous. The reason I wanted a Type-R was not necessarily for the performance but because I consider it to be the best looking of all the Civics. For everyday driving on the public highway, the fact that the Type-R is 2 or so seconds faster than my Civic really wouldn’t make any difference to my driving style or increase my likelihood of having an accident. If anything it would decrease it as I sure as heck wouldn’t have anyone put a mark on it, let alone myself cause damage to it!

I hope I haven’t offended anyone, it certainly isn’t my intention. I have found this forum to be very informative and manned by a great bunch of people that have been extremely helpful. I simply will not sit back and silently accept criticism just because of my age!
Regards,

Colin

well said and completely agree
how anyone can make a judgement of an individuals "experience" without knowing anything about them perplexes me.