Road Charging Petition (merged)

Velocity · 23rd November 2006, 10:37

I thought I would place this link to the petition against the proposed Road Charging that is being considered by the Goverment.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

If this type off tax is allowed to go ahead then there will be a time when only the wealthy will be able to drive and lesser mortals will be stuck with public transport only.

Pottsy · 23rd November 2006, 11:15

Excellent. And maybe this one while you're at it....

Velocity · 23rd November 2006, 11:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pottsy

Excellent. And maybe this one while you're at it....

That I would like to see

pcr · 24th November 2006, 22:04

There was a time when the Sheriff of Nottingham and his henchmen called by to collect his taxes from the peasants. Not much has changed, except in those days maybe you could hide in the woods; not anymore.

sonicm · 5th December 2006, 13:40

Just been sent this email from a college at work, it might interest others here in the UK who are against the government implementing road charging per mile and tracking your position.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

Velocity · 5th December 2006, 13:52

Well done for placing this on the forum. This type of Tax needs to be stopped.

Tomthumb · 5th December 2006, 16:31

One day we will all be driving hydrogen cell cars and generating our own fuel from units at home. Where will the goverment get its tax from then? I think this system is all about the future and is the governments way of getting loads of money out of the motorist in the future.

Just because one day you will generate fuel from the sun and create no emmissions dosnt mean they dont want you to pay through the nose for it.

This government has no idea what to do about transport in this country and I dont think the conservatives know either. They dont want to spend the money on public transport but they dont want us to drive either. Its all a big mess and they have no real solution other than to keep piling tax on the motorist. It would be justified if the public transport could cope but we have an old unreliable system in this country that just dosnt get people where they need to be at the right time and its too expensive.

The only solution would be for the whole country to refuse to take part in any new tax systems but that weill never happen, we are a weak nation.

Peugeot closing down the factory in this country because its easier than any other country. No one should every buy one of there cars again but do you see the dealers going out of business. We the british public are an easy target and industry/government rob us and mistreat us all the time.

Dyson made his millions in this country but now thinks he can make more by manufacturing abroad. He will because we will still buy his product instead of saying no and supporting England.

The country of manufacture was a big factor in my decision to buy a civic.

Sorry about the rant its something I feel strongly about

basegreen · 5th December 2006, 16:37

What worries me is that the government have had this report done (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6160877.stm) and let me quote a part:

"Former British Airways chief Sir Rod Eddington has examined options for modernising the UK transport network."

...and let me remind you of the key recommendations...

1. Less investment in trains
2. Punitive Road Charging
3. More airport hubs for the Uk.

Of course, he is DEFINITELY not biased at all, and has absolutely no vested interest in promoting air travel instead of road and rail, oh no.

Tomthumb · 5th December 2006, 16:44

Personally I would like to see our airports improved but then I work at one. Rodd used to be my boss!

I would love to go to work on public transport and not drive round the m25

I just dont think it will ever be right.

I will be quiet now before I get recycled

sonicm · 5th December 2006, 16:44

Totally agree Tom, I have always said if it was possible to make the point and everyone stop using the car for a single day and use public transport just to prove to the government that the country would melt down if we did that.

I also agree with you that its just a way of them getting cash, this started as a debate about the environment and since people have started looking at greener cars they are now saying its down to congestion, just excuses!

But your right, we won't complain and that's why they get away with it.. after all BBC and SKY both just report what the government want them to!

basegreen · 5th December 2006, 17:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomthumb

Personally I would like to see our airports improved but then I work at one. Rodd used to be my boss!

I would love to go to work on public transport and not drive round the m25

I just dont think it will ever be right.

I will be quiet now before I get recycled

I am a massive supporter of public transport. Where I grew up, a car was largely unecessary as we had a superb tram system and fairly extensive bus network. Where I live now, you're more likely to see a tractor than a bus so a car is more necessary.

Trains I see as important - anyone who has been to Germany for example will shudder at having to catch a UK train afterwards.

Air travel though? Quite ridiculous. The amount of messing about getting to the airport (by car), parking, then getting a bus to the terminal, then checking in, then going through security (making sure you dont have any of that evil water on you) then hanging around in the rabble air-side, then cramming on the plane pushing and shoving etc etc and then the same again the other side.

And they seriously expect us to use intra-UK air travel more? Get lost.

A biased report at best, and completely detrimental to the way this country will operate if it is actually acted upon.

generationgav · 5th December 2006, 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by basegreen

What worries me is that the government have had this report done (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6160877.stm) and let me quote a part:

"Former British Airways chief Sir Rod Eddington has examined options for modernising the UK transport network."

You know what? That might do me fine! Upgrade the airports and I'll just fly in from my new house in Spain every now and then.

But seriously; what good is it really going to do getting people around the UK? As I said in another thread; 150 miles on a train in Spain. Quiet, smooth, comfortable and it cost me £6!

Tomthumb · 5th December 2006, 17:07

Air travel is for international stuff. Trains are for national stuff but they never seem to do the job.

Cad · 5th December 2006, 17:30

For road charging to work we need a viable alternative, as said by Tom Thumb above, but a privatised public transport is never going to be a viable alternative.

Get public transport back into state hands, pay its managers and workers a decent wage, and I'd consider hopping on the bus or train rather than driving.

JB75 · 5th December 2006, 18:23

The report invites suspicion in that it seems little more than a high profile businessman echoing what's already taken as Government line; such as future premiums on road usage, selective investment in the rail infrastructure, and pleasing big business with air hub expansion. How convenient!

I haven't lost any sleep over it though as in this area its proposals on road charging would be clearly unworkable without a massive improvement in public transport provision. Public transport in parts of West Yorkshire would shame many countries in the developing world. Here the option is between frequently late, pricey and dangerously overcrowded trains; or slow and equally expensive buses, running on an ever reducing timetable. People, like myself, are actually opting to pay more and use the car, so bad has the service become.

I think the report is elitist, out of touch, and would be a red rag to civil unrest were it even vaguely translated into policy; certainly in areas such as this. It has the air of a Government seeking to take a stick to the symptoms, rather than addressing the causes in any credible way.

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This thread is about: Road Charging Petition (merged), it's in Any non Civic chat here please! at the Honda Civic forum Civinfo; I thought I would place this link to the petition against the proposed Road Charging that is being considered by the Goverment. http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/ If this ...

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Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,901 Thanks: 26 Thanked 234 Times in 126 Posts iTrader: (0)	Excellent. And maybe this one while you're at it....

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pcr Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 850 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	There was a time when the Sheriff of Nottingham and his henchmen called by to collect his taxes from the peasants. Not much has changed, except in those days maybe you could hide in the woods; not anymore.

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Velocity Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 21st August 2006 Location: Rotherham Posts: 343 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Well done for placing this on the forum. This type of Tax needs to be stopped.

5th December 2006, 16:31	#7 (permalink)
Tomthumb Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Top of Surrey Posts: 180 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	One day we will all be driving hydrogen cell cars and generating our own fuel from units at home. Where will the goverment get its tax from then? I think this system is all about the future and is the governments way of getting loads of money out of the motorist in the future. Just because one day you will generate fuel from the sun and create no emmissions dosnt mean they dont want you to pay through the nose for it. This government has no idea what to do about transport in this country and I dont think the conservatives know either. They dont want to spend the money on public transport but they dont want us to drive either. Its all a big mess and they have no real solution other than to keep piling tax on the motorist. It would be justified if the public transport could cope but we have an old unreliable system in this country that just dosnt get people where they need to be at the right time and its too expensive. The only solution would be for the whole country to refuse to take part in any new tax systems but that weill never happen, we are a weak nation. Peugeot closing down the factory in this country because its easier than any other country. No one should every buy one of there cars again but do you see the dealers going out of business. We the british public are an easy target and industry/government rob us and mistreat us all the time. Dyson made his millions in this country but now thinks he can make more by manufacturing abroad. He will because we will still buy his product instead of saying no and supporting England. The country of manufacture was a big factor in my decision to buy a civic. Sorry about the rant its something I feel strongly about

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basegreen Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 15th April 2006 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,904 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	What worries me is that the government have had this report done (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6160877.stm) and let me quote a part: "Former British Airways chief Sir Rod Eddington has examined options for modernising the UK transport network." ...and let me remind you of the key recommendations... 1. Less investment in trains 2. Punitive Road Charging 3. More airport hubs for the Uk. Of course, he is DEFINITELY not biased at all, and has absolutely no vested interest in promoting air travel instead of road and rail, oh no.

5th December 2006, 16:44	#9 (permalink)
Tomthumb Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Top of Surrey Posts: 180 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Personally I would like to see our airports improved but then I work at one. Rodd used to be my boss! I would love to go to work on public transport and not drive round the m25 I just dont think it will ever be right. I will be quiet now before I get recycled

5th December 2006, 16:44	#10 (permalink)
sonicm Valve Cap Join Date: 22nd November 2006 Location: West Sussex Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Totally agree Tom, I have always said if it was possible to make the point and everyone stop using the car for a single day and use public transport just to prove to the government that the country would melt down if we did that. I also agree with you that its just a way of them getting cash, this started as a debate about the environment and since people have started looking at greener cars they are now saying its down to congestion, just excuses! But your right, we won't complain and that's why they get away with it.. after all BBC and SKY both just report what the government want them to!

5th December 2006, 17:07	#13 (permalink)
Tomthumb Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Top of Surrey Posts: 180 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Air travel is for international stuff. Trains are for national stuff but they never seem to do the job.

5th December 2006, 17:30	#14 (permalink)
Cad estranged Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 5th June 2006 Location: Upstairs Posts: 391 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	For road charging to work we need a viable alternative, as said by Tom Thumb above, but a privatised public transport is never going to be a viable alternative. Get public transport back into state hands, pay its managers and workers a decent wage, and I'd consider hopping on the bus or train rather than driving.

5th December 2006, 18:23	#15 (permalink)
JB75 Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 18th August 2006 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 178 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	The report invites suspicion in that it seems little more than a high profile businessman echoing what's already taken as Government line; such as future premiums on road usage, selective investment in the rail infrastructure, and pleasing big business with air hub expansion. How convenient! I haven't lost any sleep over it though as in this area its proposals on road charging would be clearly unworkable without a massive improvement in public transport provision. Public transport in parts of West Yorkshire would shame many countries in the developing world. Here the option is between frequently late, pricey and dangerously overcrowded trains; or slow and equally expensive buses, running on an ever reducing timetable. People, like myself, are actually opting to pay more and use the car, so bad has the service become. I think the report is elitist, out of touch, and would be a red rag to civil unrest were it even vaguely translated into policy; certainly in areas such as this. It has the air of a Government seeking to take a stick to the symptoms, rather than addressing the causes in any credible way.