I've lost all faith in our justice system

NoNumpty · 11th June 2009, 12:23

It looks like you can do anything you want then appeal and either you will be let off or, as in this case, have your sentence reduced - BBC NEWS | England | Manchester | Sentence cut on glassing attack

What is the point of sentencing

Woette · 11th June 2009, 12:30

The appeal judges also accepted that Kee's personal mitigation that the offence was not premeditated and was totally out of character for Kee, who had no recollection of the violence and had clearly shown remorse.

You hear that a bit too much

, its so easy to show remorse, yet for some people too damn difiicult to judge the consequences of their actions.
And that picture of the victim looks awfull

The fact she says she doesnt recall anything of the violence is a reason more to just let her serve her full sentence.
I dont know how its with you guys in england but over here, overpopulation in prisons is a big issue and sees a lot of criminals escape their punishment. Hell, the belgian government even bought a dutch prison to 'stack' our criminals. It doesnt look good for the future i fear...

fmgtorres · 11th June 2009, 18:56

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Originally Posted by NoNumpty

It looks like you can do anything you want then appeal and either you will be let off or, as in this case, have your sentence reduced - BBC NEWS | England | Manchester | Sentence cut on glassing attack

What is the point of sentencing

Sentencing is a conclusion, a decision taken based on laws and regulations and evidence at hand, in a "debate" between parties. This means a variety of things may be determined. Appeal is a justice figure that allows for a person to ask someone else to determine if the previous conclusion was the most accurate. Sometimes there's more evidence brought up to the appeal. As such it is a vital part of justice as no sentencing is FINAL. The idea behind it is usually misused, desfigured and twisted by lawyers, but is a way for a judicial system to work. It may happen that the new sentence is actualy agravated.

Glepor · 11th June 2009, 20:23

Similar story here:

Thug pair's sentences are cut

This incident was the thickness of a fag paper away from being a murder. Check out photo no 4 to see what they did to the poor man.

LNT · 12th June 2009, 13:11

Unfortunately, this is what happens when emotions get the better of the facts. It's a sad fact that there are tariffs in place for sentencing, and the problems occur when the original sentences are set too high. Had they been set correctly in the first place, the outcry about the appeal wouldn't have happened even if, initially, they thought it was too low.

Sure, we might think that a sentence or punishment isn't as much as it should have been, but in truth, setting an over the top sentence is a bit of an emotional time bomb for the victims. There are many things to consider when setting a sentence, and it's not all based on that actual crime which has occurred. There are pre sentence reports which take all kinds of things into account, not least any remorse shown, previous good character etc. For example, in the first scenario, despite seeing the injuries caused to the victim, would it be right that the offender received the same sentence as someone who'd done that for the fifth time? For the victim and their family, perhaps so, but in terms of the justice system, who deal with the case from an objective point of view, there has to be a difference between the result of and argument getting out of hand, and a convicted thug who does that kind of thing on a regular basis.

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Woette Car: '07 1.8 MR Type-S 40000 km Join Date: 7th October 2007 Location: Leuven, Belgium Posts: 1,178 Thanks: 58 Thanked 49 Times in 49 Posts iTrader: (0)	The appeal judges also accepted that Kee's personal mitigation that the offence was not premeditated and was totally out of character for Kee, who had no recollection of the violence and had clearly shown remorse. You hear that a bit too much , its so easy to show remorse, yet for some people too damn difiicult to judge the consequences of their actions. And that picture of the victim looks awfull The fact she says she doesnt recall anything of the violence is a reason more to just let her serve her full sentence. I dont know how its with you guys in england but over here, overpopulation in prisons is a big issue and sees a lot of criminals escape their punishment. Hell, the belgian government even bought a dutch prison to 'stack' our criminals. It doesnt look good for the future i fear... Last edited by Woette; 11th June 2009 at 19:01.

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Glepor Supporter Join Date: 9th April 2008 Location: Lincoln, England Posts: 416 Thanks: 27 Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts iTrader: (1)	Similar story here: Thug pair's sentences are cut This incident was the thickness of a fag paper away from being a murder. Check out photo no 4 to see what they did to the poor man.

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LNT Join Date: 24th March 2007 Location: England Posts: 307 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	Unfortunately, this is what happens when emotions get the better of the facts. It's a sad fact that there are tariffs in place for sentencing, and the problems occur when the original sentences are set too high. Had they been set correctly in the first place, the outcry about the appeal wouldn't have happened even if, initially, they thought it was too low. Sure, we might think that a sentence or punishment isn't as much as it should have been, but in truth, setting an over the top sentence is a bit of an emotional time bomb for the victims. There are many things to consider when setting a sentence, and it's not all based on that actual crime which has occurred. There are pre sentence reports which take all kinds of things into account, not least any remorse shown, previous good character etc. For example, in the first scenario, despite seeing the injuries caused to the victim, would it be right that the offender received the same sentence as someone who'd done that for the fifth time? For the victim and their family, perhaps so, but in terms of the justice system, who deal with the case from an objective point of view, there has to be a difference between the result of and argument getting out of hand, and a convicted thug who does that kind of thing on a regular basis.