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New EU higher fines for UK speeders

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/holidaymakers-face-640-speeding-fines-in-europe-cqz8lsqzv

New EU higher fines for UK speeders

£640 a pop for speeding in the EU, for UK motorists.

I think I'll holiday on the south coast as usual.
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Exactly.

1 kph over and they will have you. I bet they'll be watching for a UK plate and follow you.

What a way to spend a holiday.
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Exactly.

1 kph over and they will have you. I bet they'll be watching for a UK plate and follow you.

What a way to spend a holiday.
They will have a long wait if there waiting for me . I am happy here in the good old GB .
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i blame brexit
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Speeding fines are up here too.

The continental authorities will have their work cut out catching the locals, let alone any Brits abroad.
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uk increased theirs too? when did that happen?
cant say i keep upto date with that stuff, but i've not seen anything.
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uk increased theirs too? when did that happen?
cant say i keep upto date with that stuff, but i've not seen anything.
From April 24th

Random news link; Speeding penalty rule changes: UK Drivers to face harsher fines for exceeding limit | The Independent

Here's a better article; http://www.evo.co.uk/news/18773/spee...d-mean-for-you
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And we all know the massive rise in Speeding detection and millions being earnt by private companys such as the AA has made the roads safer,right?

If that was right id be right behind it but the reality is the opposite.

If speeding courses make for better drivers,then how come you dont get insurance discounts for them? Admiral actually load So other than the money,what is the point?

The fact is there is no point,Ker ching................
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Just putting it out there, but you could make an effort to stick to the speed limit?
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No excuse in a Civic, switch the speedo to KPH and stick to the limit, easy!
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Just putting it out there, but you could make an effort to stick to the speed limit?
This to be honest. No point in it anymore. Breathe on the throttle and you're in poo poo by the scameras.
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Just putting it out there, but you could make an effort to stick to the speed limit?
For what purpose? Speeding is a factor in only 6% of accidents.94% happen BELOW the limit.

Over policing and artificially low speed limits do though cause congestion,stress and cost everyone in the country not only unnecessary time added to their commutes but cost us all massively,i think the figures were 4.5 billion.
Then theres the fact that driving slower bunches traffic causing more accidents not less and reduces mpg.

Then theres the added pollution and of course theres the bad attitudes of the slow drivers who think its their duty to prevent anyone else from what they BELIEVE is speeding by any dangerous means whatsoever so long as they are below the limit.

Give me roads full of speeding drivers any day of the week!
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For what purpose? Speeding is a factor in only 6% of accidents.94% happen BELOW the limit...
This thread is about speeding fines.. in that context then the primary purpose of sticking to the speed limit would be to avoid receiving those speeding fines!

So if drivers kept to speed limits then they'd be a 6% reduction in accidents. And you think that'd be a bad thing?
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This thread is about speeding fines.. in that context then the primary purpose of sticking to the speed limit would be to avoid receiving those speeding fines!

So if drivers kept to speed limits then they'd be a 6% reduction in accidents. And you think that'd be a bad thing?
What makes you think that? Mate im not getting into it.Im sure you will be happier when the government has used folk to cause congestion enough for other sheep to accept pay per mile.
Were not far away although they are still rubbing their hands together off the money they will make from demonizing Diesels so we have a short time left yet.
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Summary of Findings

The pertinent findings of this study, conducted to examine the effects of lowing and raising posted speed limits on nonlimited access rural and urban highways, are listed below:
Based on the free-flow speed data collected for a 24-h period at the experimental and comparison sites in 22 States, posted speed limits were set, on the average, at the 45th percentile speed or below the average speed of traffic
Speed limits were posted, on average, between 5 and 16 mi/h (8 and 26 km/h) below the 85th percentile speed.
Lowering speed limits by 5, 10, 15, or 20 mi/h (8, 16, 24, or 26 km/h) at the study sites had a minor effect on vehicle speeds. Posting lower speed limits does not decrease motorist's speeds.
Raising speed limits by 5, 10, or 15 mi/h (8, 16, or 25 km/h) at the rural and urban sites had a minor effect on vehicle speeds. In other words, an increase in the posted speed limit did not create a corresponding increase in vehicle speeds.
The average change in any of the percentile speeds at the experimental sites was less than 1.5 mi/h (2.4 m/h), regardless of whether the speed limit was raised or lowered.
Where speed limits were lowered, an examination of speed distribution indicated the slowest drivers (1st percentile) increased their speed approximately 1 mi/h (1/6 km/h). There were no changes on the high-speed drivers (99th percentile)
At sites where speed limits were raised, there was an increase of less than 1.5 mi/h (2.4 km/h) for drivers traveling at and below the 75th percentile speed. When the posted limits were raised by 10 and 15 mi/h (16 and 24 km/h), there was a small decrease in the 99th percentile speed.
Raising speed limits in the region of the 85th percentile speed has an extremely beneficial effect on drivers complying with the posted speed limits.
Lowering speed limits in the 33rd percentile speed (the average percentile that speed were posted in this study) provides a noncompliance rate of approximately 67 percent.
After speed limits were altered at the experimental sites, less than one-half of the drivers complied with the new posed limits.
Only minor changes in vehicles following as headways less than 2s were found at the experimental sites.
Accidents at the 58 experimental sites where speed limits were lowered increased by 5.4 percent. The level of confidence of this estimate is 44 percent. The 95 percent confidence limits for this estimate ranges from a reduction in accidents of 11 percent to an increase of 26 percent.
Accidents at the 41 experimental sites where speed limits were raised decreased by 6.7 percent. The level of confidence of this estimate in 59 percent. The 95 percent confidence limits for this estimate ranges from a reduction in accidents of 21 percent to an increase of 10 percent.
Lowering speed limits more than 5 mi/h (8 km/h) below the 85th percentile speed of traffic did not reduce accidents.
The indirect effects of speed limit changes on a sample of contiguous and adjacent roadways was found to be very small and insignificant.
Conclusion

[Figure 10]
The primary conclusion of this research is that the majority of motorist on the nonlimited access rural and urban highways examined in this study did not decrease or increase their speed as a result of either lowering or raising the posted speed limit by 4, 10, or 15 mi/h (8, 16, or 24 km/h). In other words, this nationwide study confirms the results of numerous other observational studies which found that the majority or motorist do not alter their speed to conform to speed limits they perceive as unreasonable for prevailing conditions.

The data clearly show that lowering posted speed limits did not reduce vehicle speeds or accidents. Also, lowering speed limits well below the 86th percentile speed did not increase speeds and accidents. Conversely, raising the posted speed limits did not increase speeds and accidents. The majority of motorist did not drive 5 to 10 mi/h (8 to 16 km/h) above the posted speed limit when speed limits were raised, nor did they reduce their speed by 5 or 10 mi/h (8 to 16 km/h) when speed limits were lowered.

Because there were few changes in the speed distribution, it is not surprising that the overall effects of speed limit changes on accidents were minor. It is interesting to note that compliance decreased when speed limits were lowered and accidents tended to increase. Conversely, when compliance improved after speed limits are raised, accidents tended to decrease.
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I drove on an open road today, out of town, no junctions, clear view everywhere, no houses, no people and about a mile long. 30 mph!!! Daft.
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"It is interesting to note that compliance decreased when speed limits were lowered and accidents tended to increase. Conversely, when compliance improved after speed limits are raised, accidents tended to decrease."
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Funnily enough I saw the police with a speed camera the other day, first time in ages.
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