Replica Watches - Whats your view of them?

[DanKo]

Hey

I was just wondering what you members thought about replica watches? Would you buy them? or do you think they're waste of money?

We're talking about 100%AA Quality that looks identical to real ones.

Prices are around 2-500£ dependsing on what model/ style.

Any brands is available:
Chanel to Rolex to Chanel + Much more.

Hope there's some interest

Let me know your thought!

[Pottsy]

I bought one once, didn't last long.

It didn't worry me much until about 10 years later when someone started making and selling copies of the product that I manufactured. Now that's annoying. They were made abroad, avoiding patent laws, they convinced people that they were made under licence by us, and when they went wrong we got a bad name.

So, we lost money directly, and indirectly. I feel sorry for the manufacturers of the real watches.

P.

PS I wear a real Rolex Seadweller, bought it in 1989 and it still looks new. Would never wear a counterfeit again.

PPS

Any brands is available

You're not selling them are you?

[DanKo]

Originally Posted by Pottsy

I bought one once, didn't last long.

It didn't worry me much until about 10 years later when someone started making and selling copies of the product that I manufactured. Now that's annoying. They were made abroad, avoiding patent laws, they convinced people that they were made under licence by us, and when they went wrong we got a bad name.

So, we lost money directly, and indirectly. I feel sorry for the manufacturers of the real watches.

P.

PS I wear a real Rolex Seadweller, bought it in 1989 and it still looks new. Would never wear a counterfeit again.

PPS

You're not selling them are you?

Hey

Yes, I know what you mean about copying legit products. I have a real Rolex and its really good after all the times Ive worn it etc..

I was thinking about starting a replica watches company or somthing as I think there's a market for it, Im not the one who's 'producing' them, Im just importing them and selling them on. I got a few in for samples and I can honestly say the quality is exactly the same as the legit ones, and it seems to be very durable (Gave one to a friend to test) and its a proper show stopper.

So yeh, I just wanted to know what people views are on them, seeing they're fraction of the legit price.

Peace.

[sco77harris]

i know someone who did this bigscale

they cost nothing to make

hes minted now literally multi millions

http://www.zeitner.com/index.htm

http://www.klauskobec.com/

i were a real tag heuer

[basegreen]

Originally Posted by DanKo

Hey

Yes, I know what you mean about copying legit products. I have a real Rolex and its really good after all the times Ive worn it etc..

I was thinking about starting a replica watches company or somthing as I think there's a market for it, Im not the one who's 'producing' them, Im just importing them and selling them on. I got a few in for samples and I can honestly say the quality is exactly the same as the legit ones, and it seems to be very durable (Gave one to a friend to test) and its a proper show stopper.

So yeh, I just wanted to know what people views are on them, seeing they're fraction of the legit price.

Peace.

Please, if you do start such a business, then don't post any adverts on here... thanks

[sco77harris]

dank just told me hes getting his 3rd car probably - a range rover sport lol

[smb09_1999]

I bought a fake Tag once in Tenerife and it didn't even last til I got home.

I bought a genuine one a couple of years ago at retail price and it still looks brand new, yes a few scratches here and there but not on the face so its still looking great. Its the only watch I've kept for so long and want to keep for along time to come!

[3rd Honda]

Perhaps I'm a bit simple, but aren't fake watches worn by fake people?

Mine may be a bit old and battered (like me), but its NOT A FAKE (like me).

[Maldax]

Danko How would you feel if something you had spent years developing someone just started making copies and selling them as if they were the real deal. Looked the same but were crap...

[TTDegs]

Originally Posted by DanKo

Hey

Yes, I know what you mean about copying legit products. I have a real Rolex and its really good after all the times Ive worn it etc..

I got a few in for samples and I can honestly say the quality is exactly the same as the legit ones, and it seems to be very durable (Gave one to a friend to test) and its a proper show stopper.

Danko - can you not see the link?
How much money do you think Rolex (et al) get in royalty from these copies?
And it everyone started buying the copies instead of the real thing - how long do you think Rolex would stay in business?

I was thinking about starting a replica watches company or somthing as I think there's a market for it, Im not the one who's 'producing' them, Im just importing them and selling them on.

oh - pardon me - that's ok then.

I was thinking for a moment that you were going to open a factory somewhere and start actually making watches.

But if all you're going to do is buy them in cheap from somewhere abroad, and sell them on over here, then that's a completly different matter.

Of course, I'm sure that Rloex and Tug Hauer et al won't mind either, and will actually welcome the competition - rather than simply setting their anti copyright lawyers on you.

[czechplastik]

Originally Posted by sco77harris

dank just told me hes getting his 3rd car probably - a range rover sport lol

Yeah and do you believe him? The reg on 'his' Type R is his fathers.

[TTDegs]

Now now CP...

Danko has always been very up front with the fact that it's his Dad's Type R, not his own.

It's just easier and quicker for him to type 'my Type R' than to have to keep saying things like 'My dad bought himself these new bad boy kahns for his Type R that I'm allowed to drive on the weekends, but my Dad drives it most which is why his name is on the insurance and I'm just a named driver'.

Which is fully understandable really.

so lets please keep this thread on topic and with answers on the subject of Danko's new potential business venture

[DanKo]

Originally Posted by czechplastik

Yeah and do you believe him? The reg on 'his' Type R is his fathers.

No, not atall, you dont have to believe A thing I say really for all you know, that type R could be someone elses in another county.
Yes it has one of his reg on it as I dont have 2 names. I can put my plate on it if it makes you happy? end of the day its not your problem to care about so why get involved???

I dont understand why scott Harris bother posting somthing that has no relation to this thread what so ever.. beats me... but if it makes him happy then fair enough.

If the watches are sold and advertised as replica then its perfectly ok. Its only a problem if you market the watches are authentic and sell then at a legit price.

Its pretty simple, if you dont like replicas dont buy them! simple!

Soon some members is gonna go into Vauxhall and rant at the workers there because they sellin the Corsa VXR and it has similarities to the civic... And honda has invested lots of capital into parts of the car like the triangle exhaust/ fogs/window line etc etc... who cares? why waste your time... If you dont like it get over it.

Bed time.

Back to the thread:

Question was: What was your view on about them.

[CivPilot]

My 2p worth...

I collect watches and I have done for as long as I can remember. In my collection I have every thing from my very first watch (a Timex watch that was bought for me by a grandparent when I was too small to even remember it) right up to modern items like the Oakley Time Tank and most things in between. Think there is around 90 in the collection now, and although all the real old ones are protected in locked fire proof boxes (including 2 Rolex's) I still change my watch every single day and the current favourites (about 40)are in a 6ft glass cabinet in the corner of the bedroom for easy access.

Not boasting, just laying some back ground work on my knowledge of horology from casio right up to names like URWERK and beyond (Do a google if you don't know who URWERK are).

Replicas.... total rubbish not worth 20p.

From experience I have NEVER seen a copy that I could not suss within minutes if not seconds of laying eyes on them, running joke with mates is that I can usually see one on someones wrist from about 5ft away . They all have "tells" that are pretty darn obvious. They are never to anywhere near the same quality of the watches they are copying and only fool the muppets who dont know the first thing about what they are looking at. Ie. Chav's who think having a flash watch "makes them somebody"

I have even made my hands on a few proper Thailand made "replicas". I call these "replicas" because these even have reproduced movements and boxes, probably the best fakes made period. However, even these replicas, despite being the nearest thing to the real watch, are very poor quality and usually suffer from failed movements within 12months or suffer from extremely bad time keeping. If you know where to get them you can get one of these "replicas" with box and papers for around £50. I could get one tomorrow with ease, but I never would.

As for copying Chanel... Why? They are not even considered a proper brand by anyone who knows the first thing about watches. Why sell a copy of a watch that isnt even made by the company named on the face . Total brand name rubbish, as bad as Gucci and Calvin Clien watches.

And the price.... Well if someone really wants a copy, and I mean really wants one, there are quite a few web based shops selling the proper Thialand replicas for around the £100-£200 mark (and I'm talking steel Daytona's in wooden Rolex boxes). And I'm sure I'm not the only one who knows where to get the Thialand "replicas".

So those people who want a fake but have some intelligence will hunt the net from those cheap prices and will pay for what they are getting (although the replicas cost a few pennies to make, so even £50 is £49.85 over the odds), and those who want a flash watch to "be somebody" are priced right out of the market because thier giro wont cover it, so they will just go back to Elizabeth Duke and buy a "gold" one from their or hit the market and buy a "George Pascallia original gold iatailin designer watch... 4 for £10

oh, and the comment....

If the watches are sold and advertised as replica then its perfectly ok. Its only a problem if you market the watches are authentic and sell then at a legit price.

Is total and utter Horsecrap I'm afraid. Never heard such an utterly stupid comment.

Copyright is copyright, and if said watches bear the company name, logo, style or likeness then they are infringement of so many different trademarks if silly. Most watches even have patents applied to the shape of the hour hand against other brands copying them. You think that doesnt apply to fakes that in your own words........

100%AA Quality that looks identical to real ones

There is no polite way of saying this but how stupid are you?

Why do you think that you only ever see copys on sale on the net (Websites based in eastern European or Aisan countries no less) and never in shops?.
The answer is simple, it is ILLEGAL to sell conterfit goods covered by INTERNATIONAL COPYRIGHT. (no matter what your watch "supplier" claims)

If doesn't matter if you brand your website as "FAKE WATCHES ONLY". The second a manufactuer see's their own brand on their you will have all kinds of legal problems (and their lawyers have more money than your Daddy) and be shut down pretty sharpish with a huge legal bill and if the watch makers follow form usually a criminal record (they always push for conviction, no matter what the appology). Remember a few years back when Casio produced a watch that looked exactly like a Rolex Submariner right down to the two colour bezel? No, probably not as Rolex issued a cease and desist on the design as it was in total breach of Trademarks in about 5 areas. And this was a huge manufacter making a watch that "looked alike", had no Rolex branding and was not by any stretch of the imagination a "perfect copy".

If you are going to enter into a "business" that is globally illegal then at least learn a bit about the legallities of what you can and cannot claim. Even putting a link to said company on here (even in your profile) would put pottsy in all types of problems. The watch makers take this so seriously.

ps. If selling fake watches is so "ok" why is it that even ebay now close auctions for fakes, even if the seller is honest and lists the watch as fake?

PPs. TTDegs & CP, you guys are comedy legend's

[sco77harris]

Originally Posted by DanKo

No, not atall, you dont have to believe A thing I say really for all you know, that type R could be someone elses in another county.
Yes it has one of his reg on it as I dont have 2 names. I can put my plate on it if it makes you happy? end of the day its not your problem to care about so why get involved???

I dont understand why scott Harris bother posting somthing that has no relation to this thread what so ever.. beats me... but if it makes him happy then fair enough.

If the watches are sold and advertised as replica then its perfectly ok. Its only a problem if you market the watches are authentic and sell then at a legit price.

Its pretty simple, if you dont like replicas dont buy them! simple!

Soon some members is gonna go into Vauxhall and rant at the workers there because they sellin the Corsa VXR and it has similarities to the civic... And honda has invested lots of capital into parts of the car like the triangle exhaust/ fogs/window line etc etc... who cares? why waste your time... If you dont like it get over it.

Bed time.

Back to the thread:

Question was: What was your view on about them.

at the end of the day i think replica watches are same out cloathes shops copying designers, no harm done saves people money andmakes someone money

[CivPilot]

Originally Posted by sco77harris

at the end of the day i think replica watches are same out cloathes shops copying designers, no harm done saves people money andmakes someone money

There is a huge difference between a clothes shop copying a certain design look of a top designer and actually reproducing the designers range right down to designers names on the labels.

As far as high streets pumping out clothes that are very similar to designers... yeah, your comment is much more vaild, but that is only because the high streets are very carefull to only copy the "trend" and not the exact design. Someone like Tesco may well sell a shirt for £5 that looks very much like a Paul smith shirt following the same trends shown by the designer int heir latest collection, but they will never actually put Paul Smith logos on it and sew in Paul Smith labels will they? And there my friend is the very obvious (almost too bovious?) and fundemental difference.
Think about it, Danko isn't talking about "look alikes" with different names... he is talking about 100% accurate FAKES. Watches that not only exactly copy the Rolex look, but even include the name on the face but, if his comment that they are 100% accurate is true, will also include numbers on the back and may even claim to be "swiss made".

With that in mind your comment is mute with regards to Dan's "product".

And loads of harm is done when you consider where the money is going from fake watches (and it has been proved where the Asian watch copiers have their roots).

Fakes and copy watches are for idiots... idiots sell them, idiots buy them. Its a simple circle really (simple being the word).

but I digress, you appear to be Dan's mate, so of course you are going to disagree with me and agree with him no matter who is actually correct

[Bungle]

Fake/replica ANYTHINGS do a lot of harm to the company being ripped off.

[apemonkeyman]

Danko - you have a business selling bike stuff. Imagine if somebody set up a site, with a very similar url, displaying the same info/pics that you do, selling the same branded parts that you sell except that they were all fakes that were not up to scratch. They could even include all your info about you & even the video content of that freaky sh*t you can do on your bikes.

Imagine that people can place orders on this alternative rip-off site & that those orders/money goes to somebody other than you.

The money goes to them, the reputation stays with you... now tarnished cos the parts snap & people have accidents on their bikes... all traced back to the fake website that people believe is Danko's website.

Need I say more?

[beepee]

I realise this is going to upset people but if you can buy a, say, Seiko or Citizen watch for £100 or so that will do all you ask of it why spend thousands on a "name" watch. The main reason must be the "look at me I'm loaded but almost subtle" syndrome. What's wrong with someone pretending to be like this. Are you so insecure that wearing your money on your person is the way that you feel superior to these people. Surely you don't think that if these £50 fakes weren't available they would all go out and buy original Rolex watches?

[DanKo]

I understand some members have strong feelings against rep's.

Civ-Pilot your basically saying everyone that cant afford a real watch is an idiot? People buy rep's either like your self a collector or even buy them as a novelty item. Im 100% sure that 70% of this whole forum wont go out and buy a Authentic rolex just like that.

Again, its your choice to buy one or not cause end of the day its your money...

I understand the whole copy right thing.

Again:
All I asked for was your opinion on them, not a cyber war.... Chill out

REMOVED LINK TO ILLEGAL WATCH SITE. CONSIDER THIS A WARNING.