Clutch clutch slipping 24000miles??? is it ok?

lalee 2.2 · 11th December 2007, 23:07

Hi All!

Is it ok to change after 40000km clutch becouse terribly slipping? It's in 3 and 4 gear after strong accelerate on about 2500--- slipping. I had many cars and never the same problem untill 120000km, i dont think it's just my leg. The dealer said it is not(warranty) in the garantee. Anybody had the same problem? It's quite expensive to repair.

Pottsy · 12th December 2007, 08:53

This sounds very wrong, unless you have done something wrong (like when you are in gear, leaving your foot on the clutch pedal).

The snag is that it's difficult to argue, because the clutch is never covered by a warranty, because it is a consumable.

How old is the car? How has it been driven?

BigBud · 12th December 2007, 19:28

'Bit stupid question...what is a slipping clutch?

Pottsy · 12th December 2007, 19:30

Clutch tuning: performance clutch modifications and triple plate clutches setup

ritchie_perriam · 12th December 2007, 19:46

but a clutch being worn out at that milage is very ecessive even if you did ride the clutch pedal! i really cant see it wearing out so fast!
just a guess but could it be:-

the pressure plate is damaged in some way? resulting in a reduced pressure on the clutch plate allowing it to slip.

the automatic adjustment has failed on the clutch so it isnt self adjusting giving syptoms of clutch wear? (most clutches adjust themselves as they wear)

a possible fluid leak on to the clutch plate? not familiar with these engines and layout of fluid lines? (bit of a long shot but this happened on my dads old hiace van and it was a small oil leak dripping the odd bit of oil making the clutch slip)

but the only way to know is for somone to have a good look at it.

how much have they quoted for a new clutch? i had my clutch replaced on my prelude last june and that cost £850 from honda! i nearly cried when i handed over the money!

richard_jerome · 13th December 2007, 20:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by lalee 2.2

It's in 3 and 4 gear after strong accelerate on about 2500--- slipping. Anybody had the same problem? It's quite expensive to repair.

Not on the Civic, but it's a common problem on the 130/150 VAG PD TDI. Combination of slightly iffy quality (dual mass flywheel?) components and a bit underspecced from a torque perspective ~300 lbft spec with a healthy/chipped PD making [maybe] close to that.

No real advice to offer, it's just really frustrating if you consider yourself mechanically sympathetic. It shouldn't happen, and it's nothing like the symptoms of a "normal" worn out clutch. I found that being exceptionally gentle with the clutch seemed to aggravate the problem.

A bit of slipping (rather than just blipping the throttle and easing the clutch out) from standstill, a few more abrupt gear changes and not bothering to match the revs on the downchanges seemed to get rid of it; at least for while.

I was wondering whether not giving the clutch enough "abuse" was just polishing the pressure plates or letting them glaze over...

/R

lalee 2.2 · 13th December 2007, 21:28

Thank you guys.
Tomarrow I will force my dealer and the bosses to change it with warranty.
Say me good luck.

Sorry about my weak english and elementary knowledge about technical details.

I will inform you about the news.

civicfan · 13th December 2007, 21:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by lalee 2.2

Hi All!

Is it ok to change after 40000km clutch becouse terribly slipping? It's in 3 and 4 gear after strong accelerate on about 2500--- slipping. I had many cars and never the same problem untill 120000km, i dont think it's just my leg. The dealer said it is not(warranty) in the garantee. Anybody had the same problem? It's quite expensive to repair.

It's definitely not OK _but_ what you are saying does not sound like a clutch slip - more like a bad EGR valve or a turbo problem. Try to make a simple test: pull on the handbrake, and in the first gear, _very_ slowly release the clutch pedal. If the engine keeps running with the clutch released, it is clutch slip, otherwise look for another fault

Philnet · 14th December 2007, 09:58

Hello,

I've just wanted to know if your civic is stock or do you have remaped it ??
We have a similar case in France but on a 180cv remaped civic.

Thanks

lalee 2.2 · 14th December 2007, 20:29

Hi Philnet,
Yes it was chipped, but not driven very agressivly(think 170hp)
On the 40000 service the softver was changed to normal, but after to solve this problem i will remap it again. But not a horse kick the remapping what do you think?
Anyway i will inform you about solving my problem as soon it possible.
I love my car, but i had a lot of problems with it.
Hope ater solving this problem i will enjoy life with my civic.

madasadad · 7th January 2008, 21:20

Have you any update on the clutch, mine has started to slip at 21500 miles?

3rd Honda · 8th January 2008, 07:18

This is an alarming, but I have to say not entitrely unexpected trend.

The very high torque of the 2.2 diesel will easily promote clutch slip if there is any weakness.

Clutch design is always a balance between reasonably light operation (i.e. not too strong springs), friction material choice for smooth operation and freedom from judders, and clutch life. It looks rather as if Honda may have opted for a balance that does not favour long life?

gprand · 28th January 2008, 11:14

Hello from Italy,
Same problem after 80.000 km , never remapped the car, normal driving conditions..
I don't think it is acceptable , it must be a cheap low quality clutch.

civicfan · 28th January 2008, 12:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by gprand

Hello from Italy,
Same problem after 80.000 km , never remapped the car, normal driving conditions..
I don't think it is acceptable , it must be a cheap low quality clutch.

It's probably acceptable in a Fiat Punto, but I guess with everybody trying to get things on the cheap we all will have to live with more and more such issues

pcr · 28th January 2008, 14:19

This is just my experience. In 40 years driving I have never had to replace a clutch, maybe 200,000 miles on some cars, that's for normal driving. So that would be my expectation for the Civic.

I would ask the dealer to give you the old clutch plates, to make sure plate wear is the problem and to evaluate the quality if neccessary. Who knows, it could be weak springs, and another Civic issue is dawning.

Clearly, clutch failure at 40,000 km is not normal and if the car has been used sensibly then something is "unfit for purpose".

Good luck.

Soichiro · 28th January 2008, 21:46

Get the clutch master cylinder checked, I wonder if the sticking/pinging pedal faults some have had may also indicate that the cylinder sticks in and stops the clutch fully engaging.
Just a thought

civicfan · 28th January 2008, 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soichiro

Get the clutch master cylinder checked, I wonder if the sticking/pinging pedal faults some have had may also indicate that the cylinder sticks in and stops the clutch fully engaging.
Just a thought

An old way of checking slip: pull the handbrake on, put in 2nd gear, and _slowly_ release the clutch, if it's slipping the engine will keep running with the clutch out

poejay · 28th January 2008, 22:28

My Clutch is slipping too. Just done 50K in the last year and 2 months and never rid the clutch, never had it chipped and realy upset that this is happening! It has to be an issue that Honda look at as the amount of cars that have the same issue is alarming.... My clutch is being replaced on friday.

The people who have this issue, are you a diseal car and do you have Cruise Control??

gray52 · 28th January 2008, 23:24

looks like all us low mileage users will have a big repair bill waiting when our cars are 5 years old or less. would be nice to know if this is happening on all higer mileage or early/late model civics.

gprand · 29th January 2008, 09:46

Hello my car is a diesel and i have cruise control. I don't know how this is going to end , i am scared i will have to pay the bill!!

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12th December 2007, 08:53	#2 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,472 Thanks: 22 Thanked 166 Times in 97 Posts iTrader: (0)	This sounds very wrong, unless you have done something wrong (like when you are in gear, leaving your foot on the clutch pedal). The snag is that it's difficult to argue, because the clutch is never covered by a warranty, because it is a consumable. How old is the car? How has it been driven?

12th December 2007, 19:28	#3 (permalink)
BigBud Valve Cap Join Date: 23rd July 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	'Bit stupid question...what is a slipping clutch?

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Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,472 Thanks: 22 Thanked 166 Times in 97 Posts iTrader: (0)	Clutch tuning: performance clutch modifications and triple plate clutches setup

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ritchie_perriam Tyre Shredder Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 30th November 2007 Location: guildford, surrey Posts: 322 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	but a clutch being worn out at that milage is very ecessive even if you did ride the clutch pedal! i really cant see it wearing out so fast! just a guess but could it be:- the pressure plate is damaged in some way? resulting in a reduced pressure on the clutch plate allowing it to slip. the automatic adjustment has failed on the clutch so it isnt self adjusting giving syptoms of clutch wear? (most clutches adjust themselves as they wear) a possible fluid leak on to the clutch plate? not familiar with these engines and layout of fluid lines? (bit of a long shot but this happened on my dads old hiace van and it was a small oil leak dripping the odd bit of oil making the clutch slip) but the only way to know is for somone to have a good look at it. how much have they quoted for a new clutch? i had my clutch replaced on my prelude last june and that cost £850 from honda! i nearly cried when i handed over the money!

13th December 2007, 21:28	#7 (permalink)
lalee 2.2 Valve Cap Join Date: 5th May 2007 Location: Hungary, Budapest Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Thank you guys. Tomarrow I will force my dealer and the bosses to change it with warranty. Say me good luck. Sorry about my weak english and elementary knowledge about technical details. I will inform you about the news.

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Philnet Valve Cap Join Date: 20th September 2007 Location: Paris - France Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hello, I've just wanted to know if your civic is stock or do you have remaped it ?? We have a similar case in France but on a 180cv remaped civic. Thanks

14th December 2007, 20:29	#10 (permalink)
lalee 2.2 Valve Cap Join Date: 5th May 2007 Location: Hungary, Budapest Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hi Philnet, Yes it was chipped, but not driven very agressivly(think 170hp) On the 40000 service the softver was changed to normal, but after to solve this problem i will remap it again. But not a horse kick the remapping what do you think? Anyway i will inform you about solving my problem as soon it possible. I love my car, but i had a lot of problems with it. Hope ater solving this problem i will enjoy life with my civic.

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madasadad Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 21st February 2007 Location: Carrickfergus Posts: 272 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Have you any update on the clutch, mine has started to slip at 21500 miles?

8th January 2008, 07:18	#12 (permalink)
3rd Honda Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 24th July 2006 Location: Tewkesbury Posts: 379 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts iTrader: (0)	This is an alarming, but I have to say not entitrely unexpected trend. The very high torque of the 2.2 diesel will easily promote clutch slip if there is any weakness. Clutch design is always a balance between reasonably light operation (i.e. not too strong springs), friction material choice for smooth operation and freedom from judders, and clutch life. It looks rather as if Honda may have opted for a balance that does not favour long life?

28th January 2008, 11:14	#13 (permalink)
gprand Valve Cap Join Date: 22nd January 2008 Location: San Vito Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hello from Italy, Same problem after 80.000 km , never remapped the car, normal driving conditions.. I don't think it is acceptable , it must be a cheap low quality clutch.

28th January 2008, 14:19	#15 (permalink)
pcr Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 848 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	This is just my experience. In 40 years driving I have never had to replace a clutch, maybe 200,000 miles on some cars, that's for normal driving. So that would be my expectation for the Civic. I would ask the dealer to give you the old clutch plates, to make sure plate wear is the problem and to evaluate the quality if neccessary. Who knows, it could be weak springs, and another Civic issue is dawning. Clearly, clutch failure at 40,000 km is not normal and if the car has been used sensibly then something is "unfit for purpose". Good luck.

28th January 2008, 21:46	#16 (permalink)
Soichiro Wheelnut Join Date: 27th June 2007 Location: Lincolnshire Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Get the clutch master cylinder checked, I wonder if the sticking/pinging pedal faults some have had may also indicate that the cylinder sticks in and stops the clutch fully engaging. Just a thought

28th January 2008, 22:28	#18 (permalink)
poejay Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 2nd August 2006 Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	My Clutch is slipping too. Just done 50K in the last year and 2 months and never rid the clutch, never had it chipped and realy upset that this is happening! It has to be an issue that Honda look at as the amount of cars that have the same issue is alarming.... My clutch is being replaced on friday. The people who have this issue, are you a diseal car and do you have Cruise Control??

28th January 2008, 23:24	#19 (permalink)
gray52 Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 23rd November 2006 Location: peterborough Posts: 937 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts iTrader: (1)	looks like all us low mileage users will have a big repair bill waiting when our cars are 5 years old or less. would be nice to know if this is happening on all higer mileage or early/late model civics.

29th January 2008, 09:46	#20 (permalink)
gprand Valve Cap Join Date: 22nd January 2008 Location: San Vito Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hello my car is a diesel and i have cruise control. I don't know how this is going to end , i am scared i will have to pay the bill!!