Paint Soft paint - warranty?

[cb550]

[quote=Topcat;146602]

Originally Posted by kenP

I don't know, but it seems that maybe certain colours are worse than others. My car is two years old and the only chip/scratch I have is one on the bonnet where a stone/rock has also dented it slightly.


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Its a lottery as to how the paint will be as with all the other faults with the car, some have problems some dont.

Maybe paint is not as hard wearing as it used to be but it certianly doesnt effect all the other makes to the extent of some of the civics, I have plenty of friends with new cars an their paintwork is fine.

Interesting some cars have probs some do'nt.My previous Galaxy Grey and so far my NHB cars have been fine

[PWOOD]

Exactly why I know there is an issue with my cars paint. No one else has mentioned flaking off paint inside doors or areas where no contact could occur.

Just for info how much should a typical bonnet respray cost these days.

[pace960]

Originally Posted by PWOOD

Exactly why I know there is an issue with my cars paint. No one else has mentioned flaking off paint inside doors or areas where no contact could occur.

Just for info how much should a typical bonnet respray cost these days.

About £150

[knave]

Hi Guys,

I'm new to the forum so hello! I've been following all the paint threads with great interest.

I have a nighthawk black civic which is nearly a year old. It is absolutely riddled with paint chips. I drive it on A roads only to and from work and I've not been behind a gritter or anything so it is somewhat comforting to know that others have been having paint issues too. My other car (an 02 Renault Laguna) is driven much harder and has no paint damage!

I'm due to drop into my dealers body shop tomorrow for a paint thickness check and of course they will say it is in spec and stonechips aren't covered under warranty yada yada yada. However the car is a business contract hire with honda finance (2 years remaining). I'm tempted to throw a hissing fit and tell them that I want to cancel the hire contract because the car is less than a year old and looks terrible and I am faced with driving it for two more years, paying a premium for it to be "fully maintained". (I know of course there is a penalty for cancelling a hire agreement - half the remaining payments)

Has anybody got any advice on how I might proceed?

Does anyone have the actual Honda spec for the paint thickness/hardness?

Thanks in advance,
Dave
Cambridge

[Charles_Harding]

Originally Posted by knave

Does anyone have the actual Honda spec for the paint thickness/hardness?

Thanks in advance,
Dave
Cambridge

Firstly, welcome to the site.

Secondly, sorry that your Space Ship is suffering.

Several guys on here have had poor paint issues, and if you try the serach feature at the top you could probably get all you answers from there.

Civinfo - Search Results

Best of luck anyway.

"He hasn't been himself lately.
Lets hope he stays that way!"

[knave]

Thanks.

I had searched for and read through all of the other posts but I guess I was hoping for suggestions with how I might approach HUK as my car is a contract hire.
Also I haven't found a definitive answer to what the spec of the paint thickness/hardness is.
I'd appreciate it if anybody could 'chip' in.

er sorry, I'll get my (90 micron thick) coat

[Charles_Harding]

Originally Posted by knave

Thanks.

I had searched for and read through all of the other posts but I guess I was hoping for suggestions with how I might approach HUK as my car is a contract hire.
Also I haven't found a definitive answer to what the spec of the paint thickness/hardness is.
I'd appreciate it if anybody could 'chip' in.

er sorry, I'll get my (90 micron thick) coat

You could always try and PM Topcat.

http://www.civinfo.com/forum/members/topcat.html

She seems to had had more experience with paint than any one else here.

"If you're going out of your mind,
Pack light,
It'll be a short trip!"

[The Phantom]

Yeah, I'm sure that one of TopCats threads had a copy of the paint spec in it too.

Can't remember which one but it was a while back.

Found It....

Suspect Paint Report

[knave]

thanks Phantom!

[civicsport56]

Yeah touched my drivers door on a fence panel and about an inch came off down the door. Mines black too, pretty pants eh!

[KTN]

Hi all,
Another new member to the forum starts on the Honda paint thread!

I too have a black civic (type S) which is now 5 months old and it's suffering from half a dozen stone chips to the bonnet (and all the other scratch problems etc. that people have had with the crappy Honda paint).

I've read through Hondas paint spec (Topcat's post) and I was wondering what thickness the supergaurd coating will add?

With paint specs there is normally a minimum figure (i.e. nowhere must the dry film thickness be less than x) and then there is a tolorence band where the average reading reside. Does anyone no what Honda's minimum figure is? (or are they saying 70 is the minimum?)

I don't think that DFT testers are all that expensive to hire. The DFT testing also seems a bit of a nosense because even if you find a bit the fails, you can find other bits that pass and only record what you want (sure they test 90 places, but where are they?)

Would there be any merit in getting an independant test done? Or would Honda just test it, say it's fine and dispute any other test? Getting some organsation with a solid reputation could make it difficult for Honda to do that.

Any thoughts?
K

[KTN]

Doh!
Should of read a bit more - see you have already explored the independant test route.
Aaaaaah crap.

[Topcat]

Originally Posted by knave

Thanks.

I had searched for and read through all of the other posts but I guess I was hoping for suggestions with how I might approach HUK as my car is a contract hire.
Also I haven't found a definitive answer to what the spec of the paint thickness/hardness is.
I'd appreciate it if anybody could 'chip' in.

er sorry, I'll get my (90 micron thick) coat

Pm sent to you as you can see from my old thread Hondas minimum thickness and hardness specs are very low.

[knave]

Thanks for the PM.
Honda's body shop measured the paint this morning on my car and it was all in the 50-60 micron range (50-70 on the roof). I've lodged an official complaint with HUK - we'll see how that goes.

[Topcat]

Originally Posted by knave

Thanks for the PM.
Honda's body shop measured the paint this morning on my car and it was all in the 50-60 micron range (50-70 on the roof). I've lodged an official complaint with HUK - we'll see how that goes.

The same happened with my car, the paint was measured at the dealership and was very low, HUK's response to that was the equipment that is used at the dealerships is not reliable hence an inspection by their own paint people and we all know what that means !!

I know exactly how frustrating it is and really do hope it works out for you.

[Homer Simpson]

Here's something I found that relates to the old EP3 Type R. This is a quote from EVO regarding the paint quality on their test car from 2002

" We attributed the badly chipped paintwork of our CTR to the amount of time it spent close behind other cars, in range of flicked-up gravel, during the course of photography. But no. Just about every piece of CTR correspondence we received mentioned bad stone chipping, even on the roof-mounted rear spoiler. Some owners had bits resprayed, and several mentioned that their cars had poorly made and ill-fitting bodykit parts replaced under warranty."

You can read the full story here

Honda Civic Type-R | Long Term Tests | Car Reviews | evo

[illegalhunter]

Iam getting mine resprayed prior to selling in 3 years

[PWOOD]

Originally Posted by KTN

Hi all,
Another new member to the forum starts on the Honda paint thread!

I too have a black civic (type S) which is now 5 months old and it's suffering from half a dozen stone chips to the bonnet (and all the other scratch problems etc. that people have had with the crappy Honda paint).

I've read through Hondas paint spec (Topcat's post) and I was wondering what thickness the supergaurd coating will add?

With paint specs there is normally a minimum figure (i.e. nowhere must the dry film thickness be less than x) and then there is a tolorence band where the average reading reside. Does anyone no what Honda's minimum figure is? (or are they saying 70 is the minimum?)

I don't think that DFT testers are all that expensive to hire. The DFT testing also seems a bit of a nosense because even if you find a bit the fails, you can find other bits that pass and only record what you want (sure they test 90 places, but where are they?)

Would there be any merit in getting an independant test done? Or would Honda just test it, say it's fine and dispute any other test? Getting some organsation with a solid reputation could make it difficult for Honda to do that.

Any thoughts?
K

Supaguard is just an expensive Sealant and a total waste of money given how much dealers charge. In fact I would suggest no one gets this done when buying a new Honda unless the garage use a reputable independant detailing company otherwise all you will get is swirls sealed in.

I'm currently waiting for the paint manufacturer to inspect my paint as thats the only one they will take. My dealer is sorting this out with HUK albeit HUK will likely drag it on and on.

Looking at a few S2000's their paint seems far better so I dont subscribe to this ITS WATER BASED PAINTS argument that Honda seem to fob us off with.

[MikeW]

I have a year old NHB which i have owned for two weeks. When i collected from the dealer it was pristine, it now has probably 8 or 10 chips which are all through to the primer and the bonnet and one wing look really tatty.

With the primer being white/grey on the NHB it just looks really bad.

I cant believe this is acceptable bearing in mind my old BMW which was mainly motorway driving and after 7 years had just one chip. This happened when a large stone hit the car and i heard it and saw it so expected some damage.

I have heard nothing with the civic and can only assume it is happening just as it did with the last car but for some reason the Honda paint or top coat sealer is just not up to the job.

Looking at other posts it seems as if this will be a long argument with HUK.

Even if it is resprayed will this only be the same standard as before?

[Topcat]

Originally Posted by MikeW

Even if it is resprayed will this only be the same standard as before?

The paint on my car was far better after a re-spray. In the eight months between the re-spray and selling it there was only two tiny stone chips and no scratches, whoever bought that car should have no complaints about the paintwork at all.