Paint Soft paint - warranty? - Page 5

simon1 · 15th March 2008, 16:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topcat

The paint on my car was far better after a re-spray. In the eight months between the re-spray and selling it there was only two tiny stone chips and no scratches, whoever bought that car should have no complaints about the paintwork at all.

...well, about the paintwork anyway!!!

Topcat · 15th March 2008, 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by simon1

...well, about the paintwork anyway!!!

What is your point with that remark?

I was quoting someone that said would a re-spray be the same standard as before!

Jack The Lad. · 15th March 2008, 19:16

Great, back on form I see, TC.

Topcat · 15th March 2008, 20:14

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Originally Posted by Jack The Lad.

Great, back on form I see, TC.

Actually - I think I misread Simon1's post - I understand what he was saying now, thought he was being sarcastic - SORRY Simon1

ME --------- >

simon1 · 15th March 2008, 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topcat

Actually - I think I misread Simon1's post - I understand what he was saying now, thought he was being sarcastic - SORRY Simon1

ME --------- >

No probs! I just figured that whoever got your car will at least be happy that as it falls apart around them, the colour will still be nice and bright!

tbl · 25th March 2008, 12:33

Can concur with others that Supaguard does absolutely eff-all to improve the situation.

I got Supaguard done for 'free' when I bought the car by the dealer.
The only benefit I can say about Supaguard, and it's rather minor, is that if the car is a bit dirty, it tends to still not look too shabby - this may have nothing to do with Supaguard though!

I've had my Nighthawk Black Type S GT since July last year and I have around 8-10 stone chips right through the primer on the bonnet and wing.
Compare that again, to my Black Megane, which looked PRISTINE after three years of varying road conditions.

My car will be getting serviced within a month, I'll be raising it with the dealer, but I don't hold much hope.

Stone chips happen, we all accept that, but it's beyond that. You can't even wash the car without using a piece of silk or you'll inevitably get big swirls and scratches all over it.
I've tried polishing these out, and using a wax crayon on the stone chips, the car now looks good from a distance; but in a year or so's time, any prospective seller is going to notice the shabby paint when they're up close.

I chose Honda over other manufacturers due to their resale holding values; if the paint continues in this vein, I will have made a very poor choice through no fault of my own.

angie4m · 25th March 2008, 12:36

Has anyone noticed that there seems to be less stone chips on the plastic bumpers??? When I clean my car I can see what looks to be a rather thick layer of laqure on the plastic bumpers (where they attach at the wing) Wonder if they protect this more due to the fact it 'more' likely to take stone chips than the rest of the car?

Actually when I get home i'll take a few pics

MikeW · 25th March 2008, 13:04

I tend to agree, the bumpers do seem to be fine compared with the bonnet and wings, surely they must get the same amount of "hits" so there must be a difference with the paint thickness or laquer coat?

kenP · 25th March 2008, 18:08

From what I've seen on here it seems to be mainly black and red cars that have the stone chip problem. Am I right?

Jack The Lad. · 25th March 2008, 19:35

No, my car is alabaster silver and I have them too.
Being a nearer colour to the undercoat, they just don't show quite as much, but get up close and - **/~~$.

kenP · 25th March 2008, 20:09

Maybe Galaxy Grey is the magic colour then?

Topcat · 25th March 2008, 21:03

Sorry to be blunt - but its a fact the civic paint is too thin and in a lot of cases too soft. Honda have a very low minimum specification (70 microns) most people in the know about paint will confirm that this a very amount for areas such as the bonnet. The paint is built up in layers, and each layer should have a min - max allowance of thickness, the top coat being the thickest BUT even if the top coat falls below Honda's minumum spec but the rest of the layers bring the thickness to the minimum reading of 70 Honda say that is acceptable.

In answer to Angie4M's post - of course there is a difference between the plastic trim and the car, the plastics are ready painted in mass and then added on to the car.

In answer to KenP's post - all colours are affected but it is more likely that the chips show more on the black and the red and probably the dark blue also.

kenP · 25th March 2008, 21:12

Galaxy Grey is quite a dark colour, I must just have a well painted car.

Topcat · 25th March 2008, 21:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenP

Galaxy Grey is quite a dark colour, I must just have a well painted car.

Yep I believe there are a few of them out there you are one of the lucky ones

Jack The Lad. · 25th March 2008, 21:18

They will be the ones, where the guy who fills up the paint vats, tripped over and spilt a couple of gallons over them TC.

Topcat · 25th March 2008, 21:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack The Lad.

They will be the ones, where the guy who fills up the paint vats, tripped over and spilt a couple of gallons over them TC.

LOL

Well owning a civic taught me something - a whole heap about car paint lol

Jack The Lad. · 25th March 2008, 21:28

Never took much notice of microns, until I bought Honda's.

TTDegs · 26th March 2008, 00:11

I guess that possibly the very slight flex in the plastics of the bumpers may also help reduce chips on them?

which doesn't help in any way at all, just looking for an explanation

Kremmen · 26th March 2008, 06:29

After just over a year of owning a Galaxy Grey I also have the dreaded stone chips, but not as many as some are reporting.

The bonus of GG plus Milano to a degree is that the undercoat is the same or almost the same colour underneath so they don't show.

Any darl colour gets the standard light grey which sticks out like a sore thumb.

The manufacturers really need to develop something for the front area that can withstand the poor condition of todays roads with 'loose chippings' being the norm.

Reminds me, must get another tube of touch up

moboang · 26th March 2008, 14:43

Have had a NHB 3 months now and covered 12K, the bonnet is covered in stone chips.

Had a Mazda 3 mps over 12 months and covered 18K and think i noticed 1 chip!

Also had an ep3 type-r on a 52 plate and honda resprayed the bonnet when i bought it, sold it back to honda 18 months later and needed another bonnet respray!

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15th March 2008, 19:16	#83 (permalink)
Jack The Lad. Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 1,618 Thanks: 1 Thanked 16 Times in 16 Posts iTrader: (0)	Great, back on form I see, TC.

25th March 2008, 12:33	#86 (permalink)
tbl Valve Cap Join Date: 18th June 2007 Location: Glasgow, UK Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Can concur with others that Supaguard does absolutely eff-all to improve the situation. I got Supaguard done for 'free' when I bought the car by the dealer. The only benefit I can say about Supaguard, and it's rather minor, is that if the car is a bit dirty, it tends to still not look too shabby - this may have nothing to do with Supaguard though! I've had my Nighthawk Black Type S GT since July last year and I have around 8-10 stone chips right through the primer on the bonnet and wing. Compare that again, to my Black Megane, which looked PRISTINE after three years of varying road conditions. My car will be getting serviced within a month, I'll be raising it with the dealer, but I don't hold much hope. Stone chips happen, we all accept that, but it's beyond that. You can't even wash the car without using a piece of silk or you'll inevitably get big swirls and scratches all over it. I've tried polishing these out, and using a wax crayon on the stone chips, the car now looks good from a distance; but in a year or so's time, any prospective seller is going to notice the shabby paint when they're up close. I chose Honda over other manufacturers due to their resale holding values; if the paint continues in this vein, I will have made a very poor choice through no fault of my own.

25th March 2008, 12:36	#87 (permalink)
angie4m Moved on Civinfo guru Join Date: 28th September 2007 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 2,749 Thanks: 17 Thanked 31 Times in 31 Posts iTrader: (0)	Has anyone noticed that there seems to be less stone chips on the plastic bumpers??? When I clean my car I can see what looks to be a rather thick layer of laqure on the plastic bumpers (where they attach at the wing) Wonder if they protect this more due to the fact it 'more' likely to take stone chips than the rest of the car? Actually when I get home i'll take a few pics

25th March 2008, 13:04	#88 (permalink)
MikeW Valve Cap Join Date: 29th February 2008 Location: Surrey, UK Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I tend to agree, the bumpers do seem to be fine compared with the bonnet and wings, surely they must get the same amount of "hits" so there must be a difference with the paint thickness or laquer coat?

25th March 2008, 18:08	#89 (permalink)
kenP Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 12th January 2008 Location: West Midlands, UK Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	From what I've seen on here it seems to be mainly black and red cars that have the stone chip problem. Am I right?

25th March 2008, 19:35	#90 (permalink)
Jack The Lad. Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 1,618 Thanks: 1 Thanked 16 Times in 16 Posts iTrader: (0)	No, my car is alabaster silver and I have them too. Being a nearer colour to the undercoat, they just don't show quite as much, but get up close and - **/~~$.

25th March 2008, 20:09	#91 (permalink)
kenP Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 12th January 2008 Location: West Midlands, UK Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Maybe Galaxy Grey is the magic colour then?

25th March 2008, 21:03	#92 (permalink)
Topcat Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 11th May 2006 Location: Middlesex Posts: 2,743 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts iTrader: (0)	Sorry to be blunt - but its a fact the civic paint is too thin and in a lot of cases too soft. Honda have a very low minimum specification (70 microns) most people in the know about paint will confirm that this a very amount for areas such as the bonnet. The paint is built up in layers, and each layer should have a min - max allowance of thickness, the top coat being the thickest BUT even if the top coat falls below Honda's minumum spec but the rest of the layers bring the thickness to the minimum reading of 70 Honda say that is acceptable. In answer to Angie4M's post - of course there is a difference between the plastic trim and the car, the plastics are ready painted in mass and then added on to the car. In answer to KenP's post - all colours are affected but it is more likely that the chips show more on the black and the red and probably the dark blue also.

25th March 2008, 21:12	#93 (permalink)
kenP Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 12th January 2008 Location: West Midlands, UK Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Galaxy Grey is quite a dark colour, I must just have a well painted car.

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Jack The Lad. Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 1,618 Thanks: 1 Thanked 16 Times in 16 Posts iTrader: (0)	They will be the ones, where the guy who fills up the paint vats, tripped over and spilt a couple of gallons over them TC.

25th March 2008, 21:28	#97 (permalink)
Jack The Lad. Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 1,618 Thanks: 1 Thanked 16 Times in 16 Posts iTrader: (0)	Never took much notice of microns, until I bought Honda's.

26th March 2008, 00:11	#98 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	I guess that possibly the very slight flex in the plastics of the bumpers may also help reduce chips on them? which doesn't help in any way at all, just looking for an explanation

26th March 2008, 06:29	#99 (permalink)
Kremmen Krem de la Krem Civinfo guru Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: West London Posts: 2,638 Thanks: 8 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts iTrader: (0)	After just over a year of owning a Galaxy Grey I also have the dreaded stone chips, but not as many as some are reporting. The bonus of GG plus Milano to a degree is that the undercoat is the same or almost the same colour underneath so they don't show. Any darl colour gets the standard light grey which sticks out like a sore thumb. The manufacturers really need to develop something for the front area that can withstand the poor condition of todays roads with 'loose chippings' being the norm. Reminds me, must get another tube of touch up

26th March 2008, 14:43	#100 (permalink)
moboang Valve Cap Join Date: 31st January 2008 Location: uk Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Have had a NHB 3 months now and covered 12K, the bonnet is covered in stone chips. Had a Mazda 3 mps over 12 months and covered 18K and think i noticed 1 chip! Also had an ep3 type-r on a 52 plate and honda resprayed the bonnet when i bought it, sold it back to honda 18 months later and needed another bonnet respray!