Rear wiper Road Salt and No Rear Wiper!! - Page 3

Variantealta · 29th February 2008, 10:03

I like to know exactly what is behind me...cyclists don't have big headlights...but they do die when you turn into a road without knowing they are behind you

FWH · 29th February 2008, 10:24

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Originally Posted by Variantealta

I like to know exactly what is behind me...cyclists don't have big headlights...but they do die when you turn into a road without knowing they are behind you

My car is fitted with some of the best wing mirrors I have seen on a car - quite sure these are standard issue...

TTDegs · 29th February 2008, 11:04

can't quite work that one out actually

If you're going so slowly that a cyclist can hit you from behind when you turn left, then they are unlikely to die (although, granted they might not be tooo chuffed!)
But wing mirror checking should sort that, and rear mirror / view probably wouldn't have helped anyway.

If you're going that much quicker, then surely you have just overtaken them, and are possibly going a bit too quick for the corner anyway?

sorry - obviously my lack of comprehension here - but I just can't see how better rear view would help in this situation

Variantealta · 29th February 2008, 11:22

the point is not all cyclists travel convniently at the edge of road hugging the curb, nor do they politely remain at a constant slow speed so as not to interfere with traffic.

A decent able cyclist can easily maintain 30 mph and is therefore travelling as fast as another car or motorcycle. The problem with not being able to see behind you stems from the fact that you should be able at all times to see clearly out the back of a car, you may be happy to not have this ability but you should be able to.

Not all cyclists, motorbikes etc will be visible to wing mirrors due to their position on the road. Mirror, signal, manouvere includes the rear view mirror not just the wing mirrors.

Unknownsoldier · 29th February 2008, 11:30

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Originally Posted by TTDegs

can't quite work that one out actually

If you're going so slowly that a cyclist can hit you from behind when you turn left, then they are unlikely to die (although, granted they might not be tooo chuffed!)

Ahhh, but not if you reverse over them a bit.

Tom

Variantealta · 29th February 2008, 11:31

Damn i knew i had been doing it wrong all these years, cheers Tom!

TTDegs · 29th February 2008, 11:35

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Originally Posted by Variantealta

the point is not all cyclists travel convniently at the edge of road hugging the curb, nor do they politely remain at a constant slow speed so as not to interfere with traffic.

A decent able cyclist can easily maintain 30 mph and is therefore travelling as fast as another car or motorcycle. The problem with not being able to see behind you stems from the fact that you should be able at all times to see clearly out the back of a car, you may be happy to not have this ability but you should be able to.

Not all cyclists, motorbikes etc will be visible to wing mirrors due to their position on the road. Mirror, signal, manouvere includes the rear view mirror not just the wing mirrors.

yep, appreciate all that

So. You are approaching a side road which you want to pull into.
In option 1 - a car with a rear wiper, which has been used, and therefore has complete rear visibility, you look in your rear view mirror, and see a cyclist catching you up.

In option 2 - a civic, which for whatever reason, you can't see out of the rear window, you attempt to look in the rear view mirror, but fail to see the cyclist catching you up.

This is where I get a bit lost

what would you do differently in option 1 to option 2, that would prevent the cyclist from crashing into you from behind and dying?

Unknownsoldier · 29th February 2008, 11:36

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Originally Posted by Variantealta

Damn i knew i had been doing it wrong all these years, cheers Tom!

Also helps to go slowly so the weight is there for a longer period

Gosh, do you think people will notice all the cyclists that have gone missing in Canterbury now???

Tom

FWH · 29th February 2008, 11:42

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Originally Posted by TTDegs

can't quite work that one out actually

Me neither.
Need of a rear wiper can be argued for sure, but for this reason?

Variantealta · 29th February 2008, 11:46

TTDegs...the difference is that in the first scenario, you see them and allow them to pass on the near side or make sure they have see you indicating and have stopped in a safe place.
In the second scenario you don't know they exsist they attempt to sneak down the near side unaware of your turning and then impact the vehicle as you turn across their path...

Simple as that really...

Pottsy · 29th February 2008, 12:03

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Originally Posted by Variantealta

the fact that you should be able at all times to see clearly out the back of a car, you may be happy to not have this ability but you should be able to.

So does that make all vans and trucks dangerous?

Variantealta · 29th February 2008, 12:13

More dangerous than cars, yes.

DeanFYoung · 29th February 2008, 12:13

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Originally Posted by Pottsy

So does that make all vans and trucks dangerous?

If you're indicating during these Manoeuvres, the cyclist is a fool to try and sneak up and get past. Dirty rear window or no window at all!

There's only so much a driver can do to avoid an accident, the whole process also relies on the other party to not want an accident either.

Variantealta · 29th February 2008, 12:15

Your right but surely the lack of a rear wiper is a bit like a knife thrower shutting one eye - a pointless risk that can be easily avoided.

Pottsy · 29th February 2008, 12:20

Only if the water droplets obscure the view sufficiently to make it impossible to see through. I find I can see through the droplets even before they blow off a mile or two down the road.

DeanFYoung · 29th February 2008, 12:23

I guess, so the cyclist is the knife thrower taking the pointless risk...one that the driver can never do anything about.

GHGH · 29th February 2008, 12:30

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Originally Posted by Unknownsoldier

Ahhh, but not if you reverse over them a bit.

Tom

Here trucks now and then do that

.
Why do you change the avatar so frequent?

TTDegs · 29th February 2008, 12:45

Ok - I'm happy to admit it when the huge and overwhelming body of evidence is against me

So I have just one final question on the matter:
Varinteala - if you truly believe that this is such a dangerous situation, how do you sleep at night, knowing that you have sold such a potential death trap on wheels?

GHGH · 29th February 2008, 12:55

My driving instructor made a fuss about this, but I must admit it hasn't turned out to be a big problem yet.

Variantealta · 29th February 2008, 13:10

I'm on commission!

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29th February 2008, 10:03	#41 (permalink)
Variantealta Wheelnut Join Date: 14th February 2008 Location: Wales Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I like to know exactly what is behind me...cyclists don't have big headlights...but they do die when you turn into a road without knowing they are behind you

29th February 2008, 11:04	#43 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	can't quite work that one out actually If you're going so slowly that a cyclist can hit you from behind when you turn left, then they are unlikely to die (although, granted they might not be tooo chuffed!) But wing mirror checking should sort that, and rear mirror / view probably wouldn't have helped anyway. If you're going that much quicker, then surely you have just overtaken them, and are possibly going a bit too quick for the corner anyway? sorry - obviously my lack of comprehension here - but I just can't see how better rear view would help in this situation

29th February 2008, 11:22	#44 (permalink)
Variantealta Wheelnut Join Date: 14th February 2008 Location: Wales Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	the point is not all cyclists travel convniently at the edge of road hugging the curb, nor do they politely remain at a constant slow speed so as not to interfere with traffic. A decent able cyclist can easily maintain 30 mph and is therefore travelling as fast as another car or motorcycle. The problem with not being able to see behind you stems from the fact that you should be able at all times to see clearly out the back of a car, you may be happy to not have this ability but you should be able to. Not all cyclists, motorbikes etc will be visible to wing mirrors due to their position on the road. Mirror, signal, manouvere includes the rear view mirror not just the wing mirrors.

29th February 2008, 11:31	#46 (permalink)
Variantealta Wheelnut Join Date: 14th February 2008 Location: Wales Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Damn i knew i had been doing it wrong all these years, cheers Tom!

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Variantealta Wheelnut Join Date: 14th February 2008 Location: Wales Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	TTDegs...the difference is that in the first scenario, you see them and allow them to pass on the near side or make sure they have see you indicating and have stopped in a safe place. In the second scenario you don't know they exsist they attempt to sneak down the near side unaware of your turning and then impact the vehicle as you turn across their path... Simple as that really...

29th February 2008, 12:13	#52 (permalink)
Variantealta Wheelnut Join Date: 14th February 2008 Location: Wales Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	More dangerous than cars, yes.

29th February 2008, 12:15	#54 (permalink)
Variantealta Wheelnut Join Date: 14th February 2008 Location: Wales Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Your right but surely the lack of a rear wiper is a bit like a knife thrower shutting one eye - a pointless risk that can be easily avoided.

29th February 2008, 12:20	#55 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 4,772 Thanks: 7 Thanked 64 Times in 33 Posts	Only if the water droplets obscure the view sufficiently to make it impossible to see through. I find I can see through the droplets even before they blow off a mile or two down the road.

29th February 2008, 12:23	#56 (permalink)
DeanFYoung Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 19th June 2007 Location: Southampton Posts: 509 Thanks: 7 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I guess, so the cyclist is the knife thrower taking the pointless risk...one that the driver can never do anything about.

29th February 2008, 12:45	#58 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ok - I'm happy to admit it when the huge and overwhelming body of evidence is against me So I have just one final question on the matter: Varinteala - if you truly believe that this is such a dangerous situation, how do you sleep at night, knowing that you have sold such a potential death trap on wheels?

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GHGH Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 924 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	My driving instructor made a fuss about this, but I must admit it hasn't turned out to be a big problem yet.

29th February 2008, 13:10	#60 (permalink)
Variantealta Wheelnut Join Date: 14th February 2008 Location: Wales Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm on commission!