[Suspension] URGENT: Defect on Civic Safety Critical Part

[amronno]

Originally Posted by Bog

I dont know why some of you would think it's fake - a lot of time and effort has been put into giving us the information.

Also, I know some of you have not accepted the fact that this generation Civic is a poorly built rush job by Honda, but it should not come as a surprise!

The list of problems gets longer and longer........

Mark my words, it's only going to get worse!

Why all this negativity?
This gen. civic certainly don't look like a rush job to me.
A rush job is what Toyota did when they launched the Auris - from what I've heard they delayed the launch of the corrolla replacement by a year after seeing the new civic.
What are going to get worse??
I am more than happy with my pride and joy, and so are most of the members on here.
Have a nice day!!

[GHGH]

Amoronno, this is because a little negativity is fun. And together with a little spicy information it's a winner !
So, now I'm fininshed !

[amronno]

Originally Posted by GHGH

Amoronno, this is because a little negativity is fun. And together with a little spicy information it's a winner !
So, now I'm fininshed !

[GHGH]

Anyway my curiosity is on alert. I'm going to surf UK media as never before.

[waran]

I would be surpirsed if the media make a big deal if there has been no incidents. If there has been, then yes everyone has a right to know. Otherwise it just devalues the car which is bad for all of us.

[robbo51]

First we have all heard of..so dont be worried..Its not like the other issues like the handbrake that are recalls

[Woette]

Keeping an eye on my rear wheels.... But not easy while driving
Thanks for the post.
I am not doubting that this post is true, but maybe a bit overrated? If it would have been such a big problem, they would have done something about by now. Since the problem already dates from 2005...
Its probably something that MIGHT go wrong since those parts do not comply with the standards.
We'll see what else comes along

grtz

[GHGH]

I was thinking that the handbrake issue may be just as potentially dangerous?

[Woette]

Originally Posted by GHGH

I was thinking that the handbrake issue may be just as potentially dangerous?

yes but then again, who applies his handbrake and presses on the button?
thats just stupid... + always leave your car in gear when parked

[GHGH]

Originally Posted by Woette

always leave your car in gear when parked

Always did. Always.
And sometimes I leave it in gear + hand brake on......

[Porkpies]

We got our baby this time last year, April '07 (ordered end of Oct '06) and she has the same thing, knocking noise and metal klanging noise from the back suspension.

Could it be these parts were also used in overseas car's later on ?

Will still report it to my dealer when she's next in

[Topcat]

I dont see why anyone would make such a long winded post with so much technical information if it were not true.

There were many other defective parts on the first batch of civics so why is this really so unbelievable and it certainly wouldnt be the first thing Honda have tried to get away with.

[Doubtingthomas]

Originally Posted by Bog

I dont know why some of you would think it's fake - a lot of time and effort has been put into giving us the information.
Also, I know some of you have not accepted the fact that this generation Civic is a poorly built rush job by Honda, but it should not come as a surprise!
The list of problems gets longer and longer........
Mark my words, it's only going to get worse!

I am on record from the start saying I think FMEA's article looks kosher. I have owned Honda's for many, many years, perhaps longer than some members were born. I waited almost two years before buying my i-shift ES because of the negative reports that were being published. Hence my forum username. My new Civic came with two bolts missing from the off-side rear exhaust fitting. Simply no excuse. Yes, Honda's quality control has for some reason deteriorated, I am sorry to say. That having been said, I think it is a great design and a lot going for it, (handbrake issue apart).

[peterdh]

Originally Posted by FMEA

I can assure you all that my post is not fake and this defect on a safety critical classified part is known to Honda since May 2006, a fact that will be proved when the first owner of an effected vehicle receives confirmation of this fact through their dealer/Honda or when the media run the story in the very near future and present the vast documentary evidence.

In regards to my motives to post this information, I am in no way "Anti Honda" (far from it) and as stated in my original post, this information has been posted on Civinfo only to ensure that the safety of you, your passengers and that of other road user's is not being put a risk by the actions of Honda and VOSA, after I have been fobbed off by both Honda's lawyers and VOSA for months (hence the deadline I set them both last week).

In response to the post about the personal information I posted being so general, there are 2 reasons:

a) I work for a major vehicle OEM in a senior engineering role and will be meeting with my senior executives next week to ensure that they are OK with their name being run in the media coverage (which I'm sure they will).

b) The evidence as has been passed to the media could possibly result in criminal prosecutions against individuals due to their actions if proved true (a fact agreed by the Head of Vehicle Safety at VOSA) therefore this information is very sensitive which is why certain specifics were not contained in my post.

Hope the above has helped clear things up and please let me know how you get on if your vehicle is effected.

FMEA - theres lot of hot air circulating following your posts. That hot air, and everything else it brings with it in the coming days, will lead to widespread concern amongst some owners. Whatever your reasons for the posts I think they beg a question or two for HUK to respond to before things get out of hand, as these things tend to invariably do.

They should - without delay - now that these allegations are in the public domain, either totally refute what has been said or come clean and tell the world at large what they are doing about it/why it isn't a problem etc because if the allegations are found to be true and have the potential consequences that are suggested HUK will end up with a lot of egg on their faces which will damage their reputation greatly.

[NH Dan]

And i'm in the misdt of trying to find out if there is any validity in the accusations.

Will post back when an answer is provided.

[Pottsy]

Honda official statement:

Honda is aware of Mr xxxxx's claims and has treated the matter with the utmost seriousness. We have found all the relevant parts to be completely within our specification and are confident that there are no safety concerns whatsoever.

As an added precaution, the matter is being fully investigated by VOSA, the independent Government body tasked with policing safety issues in the motor industry.

(Name removed by me, since it appears he would like to retain confidentiality on the forum).

[liamcalland]

Can someone please tell me how I would find out the year of build of my car?

Also if this article is true and this problem is now in the open, then Honda will have no choice but to recall the defective vehicles as they are now wide open to getting sued should anyone be hurt or injured as a result of this problem.

Honda only recognised the Handbrake problem after many months of people forcing them to take responsibility.

[TTDegs]

Originally Posted by liamcalland

Can someone please tell me how I would find out the year of build of my car?

Also if this article is true and this problem is now in the open, then Honda will have no choice but to recall the defective vehicles as they are now wide open to getting sued should anyone be hurt or injured as a result of this problem.

Honda only recognised the Handbrake problem after many months of people forcing them to take responsibility.

look at the VIN - middle numbers

Honda recognised the handbrake issue after many months of failures, showng that it wasn't just a small collection of one offs issues, down to discs contracting, or general user fault.


As to the truth of the article - I guess we'll need to wait on VOSA and Honda to make a statement.
If Honda are happy that everything is within spec, and IF VOSA confirm, then it'll be down to the lawyers if something ever happens I guess...

[skam]

Originally Posted by Pottsy

Honda official statement:

i think that this is the answer to your questions. I don't believe that Honda would dare keep such a problem secret if true. They would immediately make a recall and fix the problem as they did for the handbrake failure and the other recall in 2007. What do you think? We have ...4521 cars affected and no one ever mentioned it? Not even one?
Toyota,Vw,Ford, Vauxall and other competition manufacturers would have used that information if true, in order to reduce the big success of the 8th generation civic all over Europe and increase their share in market.
I have never seen so many hondas sold in less than two years than this one in Greece and i am sure in every other European country. Yes we have quality problems, yes they hurried to start production and we have some irritating bugs but this car isn't dangerous, it's fun to drive. I am still a proud owner!

[liamcalland]

Thanks for that!

He is a brave man posting comments like that if they turn out to be false as I am sure a company like Honda will come down on him like a tonne of bricks if everything is found to be untrue!

I look forward to reading the full outcome of this rumour.