[Suspension] URGENT: Defect on Civic Safety Critical Part

[tissot]

I had an accident last january 2007 and i was drivin honda 1.8 year 2006, im in the main road and my speed 60km/h to 80km/h and maximum speed limit 100km/h. anyway when i used full brake there was something, i feel different on the rear wheels but its hard to explain.

We have no idea what's the issue but the best thing we can do, just observe our cars. Drive safely..

[alanwalne]

TT, I agree that loosing a wheel will affect the steering, but the whole opening 'scare' just smacks of cut and paste of a text book.

With that level of sensationalism, it ranks up there with Elvis found on the moon.

Perhaps the same paper will carry the 'sensational' story for him

From reading other posts, IMO the worst that can happen is the dealer may find it difficult to remove the wheel mounting for any servicing needs.

[Alwaysblack]

Almost certain the ALB kicking in, front getting heavy, rear getting light.
Get it checked if you are worried.

This will be the first of many...............The power of propaganda !

[alanwalne]

Originally Posted by tissot

I had an accident last january 2007 and i was drivin honda 1.8 year 2006, im in the main road and my speed 60km/h to 80km/h and maximum speed limit 100km/h. anyway when i used full brake there was something, i feel different on the rear wheels but its hard to explain.

We have no idea what's the issue but the best thing we can do, just observe our cars. Drive safely..

You don't mention in this post (unlike in a previous post) that the accident was caused by another car whose insurance paid up for your car. Saying that would make it sound a little less sinister....

The strange feeling was most likely the EBD or VSA kicking in. The activation of the EBD causes quite a thud and if you are not aware what it is, it can feel quite disconcerting as the car is slightly taking over control from the driver.

[tissot]

well ya thats accident..and i have a brand new car from her inusurance.
i love honda...

[vargas]

I was the first one to comment that this post was not exactly kosher....Everything didnt seem right.... And then all of a sudden the guy who posted this, works for ford...I mean what else do you want???

p.s: FORD (Fabricacion ordinaria reparacion diaria...) (Fabrication ordinary repair daily...)

[Palindrome]

Congratulations FMEA if you wanted to stir up a bees nest you succeeded!

Question:
If a fault appears with something as minor as the t/gate struts we get 100's of replies saying "yeah I had that problem too"

How many threads have replied "my wheel bearings/hubs have colapsed" unless I missed it I haven't seen one!
I have worked in the motor industry for nearly 20 years for three manufacturers and two motoring orginisations and I for one am not worried about this but will keep an eye on any possible release from Honda/VOSA.

I can't help but think someone is taking great pleasure counting the threads and seeing the afore mentioned nest that's been stired up!

I'm NOT saying FMEA is wrong at this stage as he/she put's a good case across,but my gut feeling tells me theres more to this than meets the eye and perhaps other agenda's at play!

That is my own opinion,and could well be wrong!

[Palindrome]

"In light of this post and then spending the weekend reading some other equally worrying posts on your forum in regards to suspension problems (especially noises), and bearing in mind that VOSA informed me in a meeting only held on 16th April 2008 that Honda had informed them that there has been no reported concerns to date with rear wheel spindles, I took the decision to post the detailed information on the defective rear wheel spindles, but this time under the second username FMEA. The second user name was created only because I had used my personal Hotmail address when I registered the first username SCF."



I have just Googled FMEA, interesting reply especially from Wikipedia!!!!

Mentions Ford too!!!

[Lurker]

Originally Posted by Palindrome

"In light of this post and then spending the weekend reading some other equally worrying posts on your forum in regards to suspension problems (especially noises), and bearing in mind that VOSA informed me in a meeting only held on 16th April 2008 that Honda had informed them that there has been no reported concerns to date with rear wheel spindles, I took the decision to post the detailed information on the defective rear wheel spindles, but this time under the second username FMEA. The second user name was created only because I had used my personal Hotmail address when I registered the first username SCF."



I have just Googled FMEA, interesting reply especially from Wikipedia!!!!

Mentions Ford too!!!

I'm guessing you don't mean Florida Music Educators Association but instead Failure mode and effects analysis. So I guess this must be the branch of engineering that FMEA works in?

Motive? That's my question. I just can't reconcile that FMEA would put this much effort into compiling the data - just to protect against potential failure of 4 thousand odd cars where there has been no apparent reported failures.

FMEA you owe us an update I think because at the moment you're laying yourself open to allegations of being a Ford plant (that's plant as in spy not as in manufacturing facility BTW).

[NH Dan]

From a personal level, i'd like to know how someone who has self admittedly no connection to Honda finds out about this 'major issue' that NO-ONE has ever encountered previously. I'm sure that we will all find out soon, either he'll have the decency to let us know, Honda will advise us/civic owners, or the sunday sport will release the great media splash that we have been advised of.

[Hartside]

As you hopefully appreciate I cannot go into detail about myself at present, although I would like to make you aware that I have never been an employee of Honda but did work for a supplier to Honda during 2005 and 2006.

It's in his first post

In response to the problem, hold fire and see what transpires, but I've got to admit the guy seems to be scaremongering. If true, you've not just got to think about the tolerances of the part in question, but also the retaining nut as well, for example, thread on spindle at bottom end of tolerance and thread of retaining nut at top end of it's tolerance. This means load on spindle/retaining nut is taken on the wrong part of the thread.

[Bob H]

Industrial espionage? Reminds me of Formula One!!!!

Cheers,


Bob...

[FWH]

Originally Posted by elisgriffiths

I seemed to think it was "Fix Or Repair Daily"... along with "Lotus - Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious!"

Don´t forget Fix It Again Tomorrow.
The information here is that one part may be out of tolerance on a few cars.
We do not have any information on how that may or may not matter. Very often, there are non-critical measurements where it does not actaully matter if the part is slightly out of tolerance and such parts may be accepted by some kind of waiver. This may or may not be the case here. We do not really have that information.

To FMEA - Regarding the suggested issue, do you care to share your Failure Mode and Effect Analysis calculations on this? Even though Severity may be high, Probability would be low, in my opinion.

[civicfan]

Originally Posted by FWH

...Even though Severity may be high, Probability would be low, in my opinion.

Perhaps like the risk of being hit by a meteorite, or winning the lottery

[harleyfatboy]

Whoops ....On A Steel Horse I Ride

[Pottsy]

Posts about Fords moved to here.

[elisgriffiths]

I have posted an apologetic repost to Topcat and all members in the topic split. My intent was not to mindlessly bash another marque but to help show that these types of faults are quite common and sometimes very serious, but to to try and express that we should all maybe hang fire until pottsy or TTDegs or one of the Senior forum guys confirms or refutes it...

Genuine apologies to you topcat for annoying you so.

[druidh]

I have it on VERY good authority that this fault is for real.





The message was passed on to me by Elvis as he set off for a ride on the Loch Ness Monster.


For heavens sake....

The problem with the internet is that any nutter can post some made-up dross and they'll inevitably catch some of the more gullible. There's a serious fault which could be life threatening and there's a conspiracy to cover it up??

[simon1]

Originally Posted by druidh

There's a serious fault which could be life threatening and there's a conspiracy to cover it up??

History is riddled with corporate cover-ups of all manner of seriousness. There was a particular case a few years ago about Ford Explorer 4WD's and (I think) Firestone tyres that was covered up until it became impossible to deny it any longer. Airlines, car manufacturers, electrical manufacturers... the list goes on. Never think that a company won't try to cover its ass if it thinks it can get away with it. I'm not saying that this is happening in this case, but history proves that it wouldn't be unusual.

[FWH]

There is always the old formula.

IF "cost of recall" > "number of potential deaths" x "average settlement cost for each death" THEN do nothing.