[Suspension] URGENT: Defect on Civic Safety Critical Part

[Palindrome]

Originally Posted by FWH

There is always the old formula.

IF "cost of recall" > "number of potential deaths" x "average settlement cost for each death" THEN do nothing.

Ford's Pinto Memo

Not forgetting the one they say started it, the Ford Pinto memo!

[elisgriffiths]

Originally Posted by simon1

History is riddled with corporate cover-ups of all manner of seriousness. There was a particular case a few years ago about Ford Explorer 4WD's and (I think) Firestone tyres that was covered up until it became impossible to deny it any longer. Airlines, car manufacturers, electrical manufacturers... the list goes on. Never think that a company won't try to cover its ass if it thinks it can get away with it. I'm not saying that this is happening in this case, but history proves that it wouldn't be unusual.

That was the case that i mentioned in my subdivided post... Still I have faith in our leaders...

[czechplastik]

This is a truly fascinating thread. While I suspected something unusual with the initial post the subsequent developments were unexpected. Hopefully the matter can be cleared up over the next few weeks.

[Topcat]

Originally Posted by czechplastik

This is a truly fascinating thread. While I suspected something unusual with the initial post the subsequent developments were unexpected. Hopefully the matter can be cleared up over the next few weeks.

cz !!!!!

[Bungle]

It's all gone very quiet on FMEA's front... I wonder why.....

This just seems to be screaming "I work for a rival, and I hate the Honda Civic" very clearly.
I'm quite confident there is a grain of truth to this ridiculous mess. My better half is driving nearly 300 miles to Preston in a couple of weeks in the early 06 Civic(a trip made numerous times already). Am I in the slightist bit worried about wheel nuts? No.

I think the OP should come clean about exaggerating the matter, and admit he just has a big ol' chip on his shoulder and has a personal vandetta againt Honda.

[druidh]

I had a 600 mile round trip over the weekend in my April '06 Civic. How many times did I think about this "problem"???

Not once.

[alanwalne]

500 miles this weekend, 300 miles during the week (same as every week) and towing 300 miles next weekend.

FEMA we are not scared (unlike you).

PS FEMA I had a thought over the weekend, as you have the exact number of Civics involved you have some highbrow info, so save us from panic by giving us affected VIN numbers......

[pcr]

If I knew that the thread on the rear stub axles was out of spec' I would be very concerned. We will have to wait and see.

[kryten]

Surely the issue FMEA should have is with himself and the company he used to work for as it was them who supplied the "allegedly dodgy parts" to Honda and not Honda themselves who made the parts to the wrong spec??!!

[NEEMSTAR]

Originally Posted by kryten

Surely the issue FMEA should have is with himself and the company he used to work for as it was them who supplied the "allegedly dodgy parts" to Honda and not Honda themselves who made the parts to the wrong spec??!!

i don't think the parts are dodgy , it may be that someone in the ordering department ordered the wrong bits and Honda decided they were safe to use in which case it is all down to Honda

[alanwalne]

Originally Posted by NEEMSTAR

i don't think the parts are dodgy , it may be that someone in the ordering department ordered the wrong bits and Honda decided they were safe to use in which case it is all down to Honda

For car production, suppliers are part of the design brief, they are not just buying out of the screwfix (or any other) catalogue. The whole thing will be signed off on both sides.

NB This is a general statement, with no specifics.

[NEEMSTAR]

Originally Posted by alanwalne

For car production, suppliers are part of the design brief, they are not just buying out of the screwfix (or any other) catalogue. The whole thing will be signed off on both sides.

NB This is a general statement, with no specifics.

but won't the buck stop with Honda at the end of the day ?

[Jack The Lad.]

Certainly. Sale of goods act etc etc etc.

[alanwalne]

Originally Posted by NEEMSTAR

but won't the buck stop with Honda at the end of the day ?

Depends who has the contractual obligation for the part.....

[Eddie]

Do car manufacturers avoid recalls due to cost? They wouldn't dare - would they???
Asbestos has been known to kill for generations, but successive Governments suppressed the danger as the cost of ripping it out of houses/schools/hospitals came before preventing thousands of deaths.
Nimrods in Afghanistan without engine fire protection, need I go on?
It's all about Money, so in the scheme of things, what's the occasional rear wheel overtaking you on a hill.
Cynical - You bet!
Eddie.

[Eddie]

Come on Alan,
Read FEMA's comments, he is scared for YOU, not HIM, he doesn't drive a Civic.
Did they not say the Titanic was unsinkable - Wait till the facts are known before you insert your cranium in the egg timer contents.
Eddie.

Originally Posted by alanwalne

500 miles this weekend, 300 miles during the week (same as every week) and towing 300 miles next weekend.

FEMA we are not scared (unlike you).

PS FEMA I had a thought over the weekend, as you have the exact number of Civics involved you have some highbrow info, so save us from panic by giving us affected VIN numbers......

[Bob H]

Originally Posted by alanwalne

500 miles this weekend, 300 miles during the week (same as every week) and towing 300 miles next weekend.

FEMA we are not scared (unlike you).

PS FEMA I had a thought over the weekend, as you have the exact number of Civics involved you have some highbrow info, so save us from panic by giving us affected VIN numbers......

Or even FMEA? Notice he has not been online since 23rd April... Wonder why?

Cheers,


Bob...

[alanwalne]

Originally Posted by Bob H

Or even FMEA? Notice he has not been online since 23rd April... Wonder why?

Cheers,


Bob...

Oops When I am typing that big, I should check the spelling firrst!!!

[mrh339]

This whole thread stinks. FEMA has a hidden agenda that much is clear. Im supprised that Pottsy has not had to remove this thread to protect the site from FEMA's potentially libelous claims.

[Pottsy]

Originally Posted by Eddie

Come on Alan,
Read FEMA's comments, he is scared for YOU, not HIM, he doesn't drive a Civic.

Eddie - he can't be genuinely worried, because if he was he would have said something 2.5 years ago.

Honda have looked at it (agreed you could argue an inclination to err on the side of not doing anything), VOSA have looked at it, and both agree that there's no need to do anything (possibly for reasons that are not public, like satisfactory design calcs).

On a separate note, I work for a large company with a high public profile. The world is full of twisted individuals who see these large companies as cash rich and scared of bad publicity. We get these nutters trying to raise "legal" issues the whole time, all with a threat of publicity - and all trying to extort money out of the company. They never get anywhere.