Flat battery Battery Problem Fixed

deeny · 28th May 2008, 18:49

been to dealer today , with my flat battery and charging issues , turns out honda know about this problem and how to fix it . Its a software engine management upgrade . its to do with the oil pressure sensor at idle, it s keeping computer running when engine switched off for too long , so they alter the perameters so things turn off quicker. Also when engine is on idle the fault kills power output from the alternator ie switches voltage regulator to turn the excitation current off , which switches the output volts from the alternator to zero, thus draining the battery a little costantly untill you are left with a flat battery. Dont forget when a car starts its running the ecu , fuel pumps, ignition system etc this can take up to 25 amps on its own ,without using lights radio or any luxuries. the battery is a 74 amp hour battery meaning it can deliver 74 amps for an hour. You start taking 25-30 amps out of it at idle and a lesser current keeping the cars computer running longer than needed it doesent take long to flatten a 74 a/h battery . Anyway cant explain any better because thats all they would tell me is the software update as been done and its all fine. If yor dealer dosent know anything about this upgarade then you need to ring RYLAND honda in cardiff , they can put them right over the issue ,fairplay to them they are brilliant, speak to karl service manager , hope this helps also sorry for repeating this info if already been mentioned

bezz · 28th May 2008, 19:08

had the same fault myself , had mine two days got it back today , hope it is the reason for flat battery

Diamonds291282 · 28th May 2008, 19:26

That all sounds really positive - has brought a smile to my face anyway!

One thing i'm a bit puzzled about if this has come from Honda is - if they know about it, why had they not applied said fix to my TR which i've only had for seven weeks? Seems a bit bonkers to me!

But it definitely sounds like progress anyway and i will be passing this on to my dealer tomorrow certainly to see what they say!!

Hope everything goes well with yours from here on in!!

allan40alt · 28th May 2008, 19:48

I've just had my battery replaced and I was just told it was a duff battery?

It managed to muck-up the transponder codes and alarm siren as well though!!

Diamonds291282 · 28th May 2008, 21:47

I had the 'duff battery' excuse for my type S and i had no reason to doubt them really. It's only when it happened on my Type R i smelt a very big Japanese & swindonesque rat...

The software thing definitely seems to be more logical than an individual component. The fact that so many on the site have had different parts diagnosed as being the problem would suggest maybe it's the 'glue' as in the bit that links them all together that's probably the problem - and probably the hardest thing for the garage to identify too!

I'm due a update tomorrow which i'll post in my thread once i get it but i'm keeping with my cynical stance and not expecting it too much. As i mention, they did actually ask for it to be towed today with no jump start which seems out of the ordinary so that's raised my expectation levels mildly - seems they're looking at it properly in any case!!

kissifer1972 · 29th May 2008, 13:07

Thanks a lot for this.

Spoke with Karl today and I thought would post the codes for anyone else wanting/needing this fix to save a load of calls to Karl

Part Code: 37310RFAG01
Labour Operation No: 03203
Defect No: 1255A1

Is a change to the oil level detection circuit.

Chris

okehciv · 29th May 2008, 13:19

Mine goes in on Friday to be checked over to see if it's a duff battery or something else. Will post in due course

kryten · 3rd June 2008, 21:08

Just like to say that this software fix is only for diesel models and not petrol engined variants and no disrespect to Rylands but dealers should have been aware of this problem and the fix since November last year!!!!!! Im still staggered by dealers complete ignorance of fixes that are out there that would resolve a big majority of the problems out there!!!

illegalhunter · 3rd June 2008, 21:42

I Was Supposed To Take Mine In Today & Forgot DOH!

mals.walker · 23rd June 2008, 23:32

My battery went flat one week after the first service (2.2 CDi ES) The dealer had it back and charged the battery over night. He told me it was a software problem and they had installed an upgrade. If they are aware of the problem why do they not do the upgrade as a matter of course during the service and save a lot of people the inconvenience ?

Kremmen · 24th June 2008, 06:55

If they know what the fault is they should fix it during routine servicing.....or maybe they are ?

mals.walker · 24th June 2008, 18:05

As Deeny said it's to do with the oil pressure sensor. I wonder if changing the oil at the service caused the problem.It would be interesting to know if any one else experienced it after their service

misterpro · 18th July 2008, 23:46

After 19 months of working perfectly fine, my battery was flat today (after approx. 24 hours of standing still)

Interestingly I topped up my oil last week...

hmmmz

Jameszee · 8th August 2008, 16:06

Have taken my Type S into my local honda today because of the car dying on me a few days ago. They tried saying there was nothing wrong with it first? Then I called back asking to speak to service manager, he then tells me they have applied the above update today. Not sure why they didn't want to tell me at first? Bad PR to admit faults??

Hopefully this will sort the problem! Will post back here again if not!

Cheers all

andy1984 · 8th August 2008, 16:46

I've had this problem as well, went away for a weekend and the battery was totally dead, central locking wouldn't even work. I take it it is covered under Honda warranty as the car is only 18 months old?

brads_uk2000 · 8th August 2008, 17:55

Just arrived back from hols yesterday and it seems that I have this problem as well. Just gonna phone the dealer now and see whats up. Just out of interest Andy 1984, what dealership are you sorting yours out with?

deeny · 8th August 2008, 18:10

the fix for this is under warranty , its a software upgrade all honda dealers know about problem, and the software upgrade for it

Jameszee · 8th August 2008, 21:56

Mines 07 plate Andy 1984, no quibbles with my dealer, at no stage was anything mentioned about me paying. They also gave us a loan car for day, 1.4 Civic, hmm sorry if anyone reading owns one but that car is seriously underpowered!

RRRRR · 8th August 2008, 22:20

when the battery goes flat does this make the alarm go off or not, bit worried as I am going away soon and don't want neighbours complaining when I return as has happened before.

allan40alt · 8th August 2008, 22:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRRRR

when the battery goes flat does this make the alarm go off or not, bit worried as I am going away soon and don't want neighbours complaining when I return as has happened before.

Mine did; but only when I tried to open the door...and it keeps going on and off for a few minutes.

I'm pleased to say I've had no problem since the new battery was fitted and checking the charge the alternator puts out is part of the service procedure.

28th May 2008, 18:49	#1 (permalink)
deeny Wheelnut Join Date: 6th May 2007 Location: aberdare Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Battery Problem Fixed been to dealer today , with my flat battery and charging issues , turns out honda know about this problem and how to fix it . Its a software engine management upgrade . its to do with the oil pressure sensor at idle, it s keeping computer running when engine switched off for too long , so they alter the perameters so things turn off quicker. Also when engine is on idle the fault kills power output from the alternator ie switches voltage regulator to turn the excitation current off , which switches the output volts from the alternator to zero, thus draining the battery a little costantly untill you are left with a flat battery. Dont forget when a car starts its running the ecu , fuel pumps, ignition system etc this can take up to 25 amps on its own ,without using lights radio or any luxuries. the battery is a 74 amp hour battery meaning it can deliver 74 amps for an hour. You start taking 25-30 amps out of it at idle and a lesser current keeping the cars computer running longer than needed it doesent take long to flatten a 74 a/h battery . Anyway cant explain any better because thats all they would tell me is the software update as been done and its all fine. If yor dealer dosent know anything about this upgarade then you need to ring RYLAND honda in cardiff , they can put them right over the issue ,fairplay to them they are brilliant, speak to karl service manager , hope this helps also sorry for repeating this info if already been mentioned Last edited by deeny; 28th May 2008 at 18:51.

23rd June 2008, 23:32	#10 (permalink)
mals.walker Valve Cap Join Date: 26th October 2007 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Flat battery My battery went flat one week after the first service (2.2 CDi ES) The dealer had it back and charged the battery over night. He told me it was a software problem and they had installed an upgrade. If they are aware of the problem why do they not do the upgrade as a matter of course during the service and save a lot of people the inconvenience ?

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28th May 2008, 19:08	#2 (permalink)
bezz Valve Cap Join Date: 15th February 2007 Location: lake district Posts: 33 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	had the same fault myself , had mine two days got it back today , hope it is the reason for flat battery

28th May 2008, 19:26	#3 (permalink)
Diamonds291282 Valve Cap Join Date: 25th May 2008 Location: Congleton, UK Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	That all sounds really positive - has brought a smile to my face anyway! One thing i'm a bit puzzled about if this has come from Honda is - if they know about it, why had they not applied said fix to my TR which i've only had for seven weeks? Seems a bit bonkers to me! But it definitely sounds like progress anyway and i will be passing this on to my dealer tomorrow certainly to see what they say!! Hope everything goes well with yours from here on in!!

28th May 2008, 19:48	#4 (permalink)
allan40alt Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: Rugby, Warwickshire. Posts: 2,248 Thanks: 12 Thanked 33 Times in 31 Posts iTrader: (0)	I've just had my battery replaced and I was just told it was a duff battery? It managed to muck-up the transponder codes and alarm siren as well though!!

28th May 2008, 21:47	#5 (permalink)
Diamonds291282 Valve Cap Join Date: 25th May 2008 Location: Congleton, UK Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I had the 'duff battery' excuse for my type S and i had no reason to doubt them really. It's only when it happened on my Type R i smelt a very big Japanese & swindonesque rat... The software thing definitely seems to be more logical than an individual component. The fact that so many on the site have had different parts diagnosed as being the problem would suggest maybe it's the 'glue' as in the bit that links them all together that's probably the problem - and probably the hardest thing for the garage to identify too! I'm due a update tomorrow which i'll post in my thread once i get it but i'm keeping with my cynical stance and not expecting it too much. As i mention, they did actually ask for it to be towed today with no jump start which seems out of the ordinary so that's raised my expectation levels mildly - seems they're looking at it properly in any case!!

29th May 2008, 13:07	#6 (permalink)
kissifer1972 Wheelnut Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Thanks a lot for this. Spoke with Karl today and I thought would post the codes for anyone else wanting/needing this fix to save a load of calls to Karl Part Code: 37310RFAG01 Labour Operation No: 03203 Defect No: 1255A1 Is a change to the oil level detection circuit. Chris

29th May 2008, 13:19	#7 (permalink)
okehciv Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 21st January 2007 Location: shaw gtr manchester Posts: 952 Thanks: 5 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts iTrader: (0)	Mine goes in on Friday to be checked over to see if it's a duff battery or something else. Will post in due course

3rd June 2008, 21:08	#8 (permalink)
kryten Valve Cap Join Date: 1st September 2006 Location: Berkshire Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Just like to say that this software fix is only for diesel models and not petrol engined variants and no disrespect to Rylands but dealers should have been aware of this problem and the fix since November last year!!!!!! Im still staggered by dealers complete ignorance of fixes that are out there that would resolve a big majority of the problems out there!!!

3rd June 2008, 21:42	#9 (permalink)
illegalhunter HACKIN & SLAYIN Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: In the woods armed to the teeth Posts: 2,581 Thanks: 4 Thanked 29 Times in 28 Posts iTrader: (0)	I Was Supposed To Take Mine In Today & Forgot DOH!

24th June 2008, 06:55	#11 (permalink)
Kremmen Krem de la Krem Civinfo guru Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: West London Posts: 2,638 Thanks: 8 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts iTrader: (0)	If they know what the fault is they should fix it during routine servicing.....or maybe they are ?

24th June 2008, 18:05	#12 (permalink)
mals.walker Valve Cap Join Date: 26th October 2007 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	As Deeny said it's to do with the oil pressure sensor. I wonder if changing the oil at the service caused the problem.It would be interesting to know if any one else experienced it after their service

18th July 2008, 23:46	#13 (permalink)
misterpro Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 25th September 2006 Location: Flanders, Belgium Posts: 122 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	After 19 months of working perfectly fine, my battery was flat today (after approx. 24 hours of standing still) Interestingly I topped up my oil last week... hmmmz

8th August 2008, 16:06	#14 (permalink)
Jameszee Valve Cap Join Date: 18th May 2008 Location: London Posts: 5 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Have taken my Type S into my local honda today because of the car dying on me a few days ago. They tried saying there was nothing wrong with it first? Then I called back asking to speak to service manager, he then tells me they have applied the above update today. Not sure why they didn't want to tell me at first? Bad PR to admit faults?? Hopefully this will sort the problem! Will post back here again if not! Cheers all

8th August 2008, 16:46	#15 (permalink)
andy1984 Valve Cap Join Date: 22nd April 2008 Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I've had this problem as well, went away for a weekend and the battery was totally dead, central locking wouldn't even work. I take it it is covered under Honda warranty as the car is only 18 months old?

8th August 2008, 17:55	#16 (permalink)
brads_uk2000 Valve Cap Join Date: 24th November 2007 Location: Bangor, N.I. Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Just arrived back from hols yesterday and it seems that I have this problem as well. Just gonna phone the dealer now and see whats up. Just out of interest Andy 1984, what dealership are you sorting yours out with?

8th August 2008, 18:10	#17 (permalink)
deeny Wheelnut Join Date: 6th May 2007 Location: aberdare Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	the fix for this is under warranty , its a software upgrade all honda dealers know about problem, and the software upgrade for it

8th August 2008, 21:56	#18 (permalink)
Jameszee Valve Cap Join Date: 18th May 2008 Location: London Posts: 5 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Mines 07 plate Andy 1984, no quibbles with my dealer, at no stage was anything mentioned about me paying. They also gave us a loan car for day, 1.4 Civic, hmm sorry if anyone reading owns one but that car is seriously underpowered!

8th August 2008, 22:20	#19 (permalink)
RRRRR Valve Cap Join Date: 13th July 2008 Location: WEM Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	when the battery goes flat does this make the alarm go off or not, bit worried as I am going away soon and don't want neighbours complaining when I return as has happened before.