Transmission Possibly completely burnt out clutch at 37.5k miles??

generationgav · 9th June 2008, 13:45

Well after having my 37.5k service no less than 2 weeks ago, my car has decided to die on me.
Every now and then for the last couple of days when I've lifted the clutch my revs have shot up, like the clutch is slipping, but pressing and releasing the clutch has sorted it. I already got the car booked in for this to be looked at along with the windscreen trim.
Well today it happened to me twice, then once more, but this time no pressing/releasing the clutch OR changing gears have helped at all. My car is in the garage but it now sounds like *I* may have to pay for the clutch to be replaced if it's burnt out. How can it be burnt out after this short distance though?? I really don't hammer it and I definitely don't drive with my foot on the clutch at all, so it's neither of them.
I think this might be the final straw for the civic now...I know I had a VERY early production model (was one of the very original pre-release demo cars) but it's just getting silly.

streakybird · 9th June 2008, 14:33

(completely off the civic subject) i had a megane... you know... renault!!! i totally apolgise about mentioning this... but i had it for under 2 years, as new!!! and i burnt out the clutch at around 15000miles!!! YEP! THATS IT! and i had to pay out for it! (back to the civic) its not unusual for the clutch to start slipping at around 25000miles. Thats why when i brought my civic i brought it so i didnt have a clutch (i-shift)! Couldnt be dealing with all the nuisance again. But unfortunately there is prob nothing much you can do!

Mention to them that your not happy that it hasnt lasted as long as you thought! Keep straight the the arguement, and maybe they will listen.

jazzman · 9th June 2008, 15:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by streakybird

(completely off the civic subject) i had a megane... you know... renault!!! i totally apolgise about mentioning this... but i had it for under 2 years, as new!!! and i burnt out the clutch at around 15000miles!!! YEP! THATS IT! and i had to pay out for it! (back to the civic) its not unusual for the clutch to start slipping at around 25000miles. Thats why when i brought my civic i brought it so i didnt have a clutch (i-shift)! Couldnt be dealing with all the nuisance again. But unfortunately there is prob nothing much you can do!

Mention to them that your not happy that it hasnt lasted as long as you thought! Keep straight the the arguement, and maybe they will listen.

Sorry to tell you that the I-shift has got a clutch, remember it`s an automated manual and not an automatic

generationgav · 9th June 2008, 15:23

I'm going to keep the arguments up - as this isn't the only problem I've had with the car, I think in 2 years of ownership I've had the AA out 5 times now, had the police help me with a dangerous situation twice and been to the garage at least 5 times.
Does anybody have any idea of what kind of price I'd expact for clutch replacement?

Also - how long should a clutch be "slipping" for until it completely dies? It was only doing it to me for less than a week and not really agressively, this is why I seriously think there was a problem, possibly caused by my dealer/service.

hgt · 9th June 2008, 15:37

I had a pegeot 405sri that was on 200k when i sold it, my next car was a Fiat 20vt coupe that had 100k on the clock when i sold it, neither of them needed a replacement clutch. In fact all my previous cars have done over 100k without needing
clutches. Yes i do tend to keep my cars a long time.
I think if clutches are failing at 25k - 30k then they are not fit for purpose and maybe a test case in the courts is called for. Certainly if mine fails in 25k and is refused under waranty I shall take legal action.
Perhaps we should start a sticky so that we can keep track of this problem. And for future evidence

streakybird · 9th June 2008, 15:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazzman

Sorry to tell you that the I-shift has got a clutch, remember it`s an automated manual and not an automatic

i mean there is no clutch pedal!
Instead we use the breaks more! hah!

streakybird · 9th June 2008, 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by hgt

I had a pegeot 405sri that was on 200k when i sold it, my next car was a Fiat 20vt coupe that had 100k on the clock when i sold it, neither of them needed a replacement clutch. In fact all my previous cars have done over 100k without needing
clutches. Yes i do tend to keep my cars a long time.
I think if clutches are failing at 25k - 30k then they are not fit for purpose and maybe a test case in the courts is called for. Certainly if mine fails in 25k and is refused under waranty I shall take legal action.
Perhaps we should start a sticky so that we can keep track of this problem. And for future evidence

I totally agree with that! I gave up such a fight even refusing to drive away, but they refuse to accept any liability.
I dont know if i have the determination to go through the courts...
I have to be brutally honest, im sure as there is with every electrical item out there, there are always faults. And that will always be the case with cars as well!
People pay soooo much money for cars, yet the chance of an exchange or full refund... well that would be the day!

pcr · 9th June 2008, 16:01

Gav, there's got be something wrong with these clutches to fail so soon. In 44 years driving I've never had a clutch fail. With careful use I reckon they should last around say 250,000 miles.
Somebody here did report that there was a known problem with them.

streakybird · 9th June 2008, 16:08

I agree... Only you know if somethings not right!

rmh999 · 9th June 2008, 18:49

Simple Statement :- Not Fit For Purpose

ie It did not (with reasonable use) last as would be reasonably expected.

PTR · 9th June 2008, 19:12

as I have seen it failed mainly at the 2.2 CDTIs
I am wondering about the 1.4

generationgav · 10th June 2008, 12:12

£917 for the replacement clutch! I'm *NOT* a happy bunny.
I argued with the guy, but he said it had been going for quite a while and there was no mechanical failure at all so they reckon there's nothing they can do about it and nothing Honda will do about it.
I will be contacting Honda and see what they say, there's already still an ongoing issue with the fuel cut off switch on my car anyway.

okehciv · 10th June 2008, 12:59

Not a happy bunny, am not surprised Gav I wouldn't be either. Is there any chance of an independant mechanic looking at the cluch parts, that may help your cause.
Best of luck.

hgt · 10th June 2008, 13:20

If you do take this up with Honda
I would also involve Honda in Japan as well as the UK,
I worked for Sharp Uk a few years ago and as much as possible was hidden from the parent company Sharp Japan.
I suspect this may be the case with Honda Uk. May be Japan is is not fully aware of the problems here in the UK and need to be told.
Honda UK won't tell them because they will get their backsides kicked.

elfa7 · 10th June 2008, 13:45

hgt, I can assure you that Honda in Japan know all about the problems re. the Civic. I wrote to Mr Takeo Fukui --- and filled him in. Not literally of course.

Off topic, I was born & bred in Holmes Chapel.

pcr · 10th June 2008, 13:46

So is the dealer just assuming the clutch has gone due to the way you drive, hence no warranty claim ?. I don't see how he can rule out the possibility of a fault, oil leak at main bearing, or whatever.

Personally, I wouldn't let the dealer anywhere near the car, and certainly not at that price. I think I'd go to one of these clutch specialists, explain the situation and see if they will assess the problem while they do the job, with a view to taking further action. I'm sure they would be much cheaper and do a better job.

Firstly though, kick up a fuss with Honda CS.

generationgav · 10th June 2008, 15:28

The problem is that my car is currently going nowhere and I'm afraid that the cost of taking it to one of these clutch specialists will just remove any savings of letting the dealer do it.
The guy was saying that if it was a mechanical issue they'd definitely claim from Honda because they wouldn't loose anything - so not sure how true this would be.
Ironic thing is I've got to cancel it going in one garage for an issue to be fixed because it's stuck in a different garage!

9th June 2008, 13:45	#1 (permalink)
generationgav Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 29th May 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 807 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Possibly completely burnt out clutch at 37.5k miles?? Well after having my 37.5k service no less than 2 weeks ago, my car has decided to die on me. Every now and then for the last couple of days when I've lifted the clutch my revs have shot up, like the clutch is slipping, but pressing and releasing the clutch has sorted it. I already got the car booked in for this to be looked at along with the windscreen trim. Well today it happened to me twice, then once more, but this time no pressing/releasing the clutch OR changing gears have helped at all. My car is in the garage but it now sounds like I may have to pay for the clutch to be replaced if it's burnt out. How can it be burnt out after this short distance though?? I really don't hammer it and I definitely don't drive with my foot on the clutch at all, so it's neither of them. I think this might be the final straw for the civic now...I know I had a VERY early production model (was one of the very original pre-release demo cars) but it's just getting silly.

9th June 2008, 15:23	#4 (permalink)
generationgav Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 29th May 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 807 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I'm going to keep the arguments up - as this isn't the only problem I've had with the car, I think in 2 years of ownership I've had the AA out 5 times now, had the police help me with a dangerous situation twice and been to the garage at least 5 times. Does anybody have any idea of what kind of price I'd expact for clutch replacement? Also - how long should a clutch be "slipping" for until it completely dies? It was only doing it to me for less than a week and not really agressively, this is why I seriously think there was a problem, possibly caused by my dealer/service. Last edited by generationgav; 9th June 2008 at 15:36.

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9th June 2008, 14:33	#2 (permalink)
streakybird Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 3rd June 2008 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 198 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	(completely off the civic subject) i had a megane... you know... renault!!! i totally apolgise about mentioning this... but i had it for under 2 years, as new!!! and i burnt out the clutch at around 15000miles!!! YEP! THATS IT! and i had to pay out for it! (back to the civic) its not unusual for the clutch to start slipping at around 25000miles. Thats why when i brought my civic i brought it so i didnt have a clutch (i-shift)! Couldnt be dealing with all the nuisance again. But unfortunately there is prob nothing much you can do! Mention to them that your not happy that it hasnt lasted as long as you thought! Keep straight the the arguement, and maybe they will listen.

9th June 2008, 15:37	#5 (permalink)
hgt Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 11th October 2007 Location: Holmes Chapel, Cheshire Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I had a pegeot 405sri that was on 200k when i sold it, my next car was a Fiat 20vt coupe that had 100k on the clock when i sold it, neither of them needed a replacement clutch. In fact all my previous cars have done over 100k without needing clutches. Yes i do tend to keep my cars a long time. I think if clutches are failing at 25k - 30k then they are not fit for purpose and maybe a test case in the courts is called for. Certainly if mine fails in 25k and is refused under waranty I shall take legal action. Perhaps we should start a sticky so that we can keep track of this problem. And for future evidence

9th June 2008, 16:01	#8 (permalink)
pcr Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 847 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Gav, there's got be something wrong with these clutches to fail so soon. In 44 years driving I've never had a clutch fail. With careful use I reckon they should last around say 250,000 miles. Somebody here did report that there was a known problem with them.

9th June 2008, 16:08	#9 (permalink)
streakybird Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 3rd June 2008 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 198 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I agree... Only you know if somethings not right!

9th June 2008, 18:49	#10 (permalink)
rmh999 Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 3rd August 2006 Location: Swindon, UK Posts: 158 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Simple Statement :- Not Fit For Purpose ie It did not (with reasonable use) last as would be reasonably expected.

9th June 2008, 19:12	#11 (permalink)
PTR Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 4th October 2006 Location: Hungary Posts: 668 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	as I have seen it failed mainly at the 2.2 CDTIs I am wondering about the 1.4

10th June 2008, 12:12	#12 (permalink)
generationgav Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 29th May 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 807 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	£917 for the replacement clutch! I'm NOT a happy bunny. I argued with the guy, but he said it had been going for quite a while and there was no mechanical failure at all so they reckon there's nothing they can do about it and nothing Honda will do about it. I will be contacting Honda and see what they say, there's already still an ongoing issue with the fuel cut off switch on my car anyway.

10th June 2008, 12:59	#13 (permalink)
okehciv Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 21st January 2007 Location: shaw gtr manchester Posts: 941 Thanks: 5 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Not a happy bunny, am not surprised Gav I wouldn't be either. Is there any chance of an independant mechanic looking at the cluch parts, that may help your cause. Best of luck.

10th June 2008, 13:20	#14 (permalink)
hgt Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 11th October 2007 Location: Holmes Chapel, Cheshire Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you do take this up with Honda I would also involve Honda in Japan as well as the UK, I worked for Sharp Uk a few years ago and as much as possible was hidden from the parent company Sharp Japan. I suspect this may be the case with Honda Uk. May be Japan is is not fully aware of the problems here in the UK and need to be told. Honda UK won't tell them because they will get their backsides kicked.

10th June 2008, 13:45	#15 (permalink)
elfa7 Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 8th May 2006 Location: Cheshire Posts: 1,703 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hgt, I can assure you that Honda in Japan know all about the problems re. the Civic. I wrote to Mr Takeo Fukui --- and filled him in. Not literally of course. Off topic, I was born & bred in Holmes Chapel.

10th June 2008, 13:46	#16 (permalink)
pcr Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 847 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	So is the dealer just assuming the clutch has gone due to the way you drive, hence no warranty claim ?. I don't see how he can rule out the possibility of a fault, oil leak at main bearing, or whatever. Personally, I wouldn't let the dealer anywhere near the car, and certainly not at that price. I think I'd go to one of these clutch specialists, explain the situation and see if they will assess the problem while they do the job, with a view to taking further action. I'm sure they would be much cheaper and do a better job. Firstly though, kick up a fuss with Honda CS.

10th June 2008, 15:28	#17 (permalink)
generationgav Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 29th May 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 807 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The problem is that my car is currently going nowhere and I'm afraid that the cost of taking it to one of these clutch specialists will just remove any savings of letting the dealer do it. The guy was saying that if it was a mechanical issue they'd definitely claim from Honda because they wouldn't loose anything - so not sure how true this would be. Ironic thing is I've got to cancel it going in one garage for an issue to be fixed because it's stuck in a different garage!