Long list Who can make the longest list?

[illegalhunter]

Of topic , well not really. In the first 8 weeks of owning my 07 Cooper S i had replacd under warranty
clutch
flywheel
altinator
4 new speakers
amp
fuel pump
footwell module
centre armrest
washer pump
and the DADDY when its cold a 1.6turbo engine sounds like a clapped out cement mixer. Mini still havent managed to fix the problem.My R runs like a dream

[AAM]

Originally Posted by jazzman

Just think how wonderful life will be when you get it back

Thanks.
Well let us see how well it turns out.

[lewist123]

Originally Posted by cb550

Wider rear track,thicker front anti-roll bar,different steering column mountings,structurally stiffer body due to 3 door design.Don't know about dampers/springs.I know my S is a different car handling wise compared to my ES.

I'd be interested to hear Type R drivers on this site rate their car's handling/roadholding......

Interesting! The wider rear track will most likely not make much difference, but the thicker anti roll bar may add some much needed roll control to the front of the car.

I guess i should try and blag a test drive in a type S/R and see for myself!

Overall the car needs more front end grip and less back end grip.

[alanwalne]

Originally Posted by lewist123

Interesting!

Overall the car needs more front end grip and less back end grip.

I have done a front rear tyre swap (now has 3mm on back and 6mm on the front) so I will report my findings

[lewist123]

Well when i chose my new tyres for the front about 6 months ago, i deliberatly chose more 'grippy' tyres in the hope that it would sort the balance out. It didn't!

I think one of the problems may be the front and rear camber. The fronts have pritty much zero camber, but the rears have a little negative camber. This means as the car rolls, the front looses grip and the rear gains grip.

Sticking 2 degrees of neg camber on the front and making the rear zero would help, but there is no adjustment avaible on the setup, so can't really try that out.

[cb550]

Originally Posted by lewist123

Interesting! The wider rear track will most likely not make much difference, but the thicker anti roll bar may add some much needed roll control to the front of the car.

I guess i should try and blag a test drive in a type S/R and see for myself!

Overall the car needs more front end grip and less back end grip.

Each modification-difference, taken individually is not going to give a groundbraking improvement.But add each together and the result is a very capable,predictable level of handling that so far has taken everything I've thrown at it with ease.

My ES,taken down a couple of fast changing B roads I knew well,would soon make its protests known.The front end could'nt deal with the direction changes at the speeds I was asking of the car,and would rapidly have to ease the pace off,or risk losing control completely.The Type S laps up these kind of roads,the front end just sits in there wherever/however you point it.

[Parker]

...But it's at the dealers again, this time for passenger door handle sticking from outside (the drivers door handle was replaced under a previous recall, although i never actually had any problems with it), a cover for behind the drivers door handle which they forgot to put back on during the recall(!) and a grinding type sound when i reverse slowly into parking spaces (hard to tell exactly where the sound is, but it doesn't sound right!).

Prior to this i've had the handbrake and fuel filler cap recalls, tho no actual problems with either. The main thing was the drive shaft had to be 'shaved' slightly cos that also made a horrible grating sound when turning either left or right!

All in all, could be worse i suppose, but not really what i expected from my first (and maybe last) Honda that isn't 2 years old yet!

[carnivorous]

LIST OF FAULTS:

- On a recent trip to the continent, I applied the brakes to slow the car from over 100mph to 50mph. As the car passed roughly 60mph on deceleration, there was a severe shaking from the brakes accompanied by a noticeable drop in braking performance. The shaking, which felt like warped rotors, could be felt through the whole car as my partner, who was a passenger at the time, can confirm. The brakes began working properly again after 2-3 miles, but the shaking continued for 10-20 miles of only very light use. After the juddering had ceased, I decided to try again and accelerated to over 100mph, then applied the brakes at (I would estimate) 70-80% of full power. Once again, as the car slowed past roughly 60mph, the severe judder reappeared and braking performance tailed off so dramatically that I was forced to pull the car over and wait for the brakes to cool down. Neither of these occasions were preceded by heavy use of the brakes, it only took a single cycle to overheat the system. I had the car inspected and was informed that this behaviour was inherent to the braking system on the car, and would not be solved by replacing the rotors and/or brake pads. I regularly drive on the continent and this is simply not safe. We also have a 1.5 Suzuki Swift and the braking performance on the motorway is far superior.
- I have noticed that the car is quite unstable over uneven surfaces (bumpy roads) and severely ‘wags it’s tail’ under braking, even on the motorway. I have been told by a Honda engineer that this is a characteristic of the ‘compromised’ rear suspension over bumpy surfaces and not a ‘fault’ as such. I was also informed that this behaviour is only evident on the Type-R models, and not the other Civic models with softer suspension. Obviously, this doesn’t help my situation.
- There was an unstable feeling from the car, which was resolved by having the wheels re-balanced. The tyres were overfilled by 3-4psi each and 2 of the wheels were out of balance. The resolution to this problem has not affected the two problems above, though it is needless to say that I am not impressed.
- I have noticed a stutter/hesitance to accelerate between 3500-4000 rpm on several occasions.
- When moving off from cold, there is an occasional clunking noise from the front of the car that sounds like it is coming from the suspension.
- I now count several instances of the car jumping out of third gear and into neutral whilst accelerating. This happened once just after I collected the car (I thought it was a fluke or a mis-shift at first), but has happened 3 or 4 times since.
- The driver’s side rubber door seal has ‘fallen off’ 3 times now without provocation, and while inspecting this I noticed some corrosion/rust starting to appear at the top of the door where it seems a seam wasn’t painted properly.
- The handbrake lever wobbles from side to side when disengaged.
- The boot struts don’t open the boot properly without a fair amount of help.
- There was creak from the dash binnacle which was addressed by a technician, but reappears on bad surfaces. This has been joined by an intermittent rattle from both front doors and a squeak from the slider in the centre console that keeps coming back no matter how much PTFE lube one seems to put on it.
- The passenger door handle is becoming increasingly stubborn as time goes on and sometimes requires a lot of effort to open the door.
- The cigarette lighter socket keeps popping out of the centre console.
- When the windows are only open a small bit, when it is raining for instance, they rattle.
- After having approved Honda roof bars fitted to the car, one of the ‘caps’ that cover the gaps left in the trim by the roof bar fixing points detached itself from the car on the motorway, leaving the roof trim flapping around in the wind. Upon inspection, business manager Scott Shearer agreed with me that the design of the roof bar fixings and their covers is inherently ineffective/unacceptable, and that the roof bars would most likely be returned under warranty. I am still waiting to hear back regarding this matter. On top of this, the feet were fitted to stop the trim flying away in the meantime , but without even using the bars and everything torqued to spec, it looks like the feet have permanently marked/dented the paint on the roof in a nice waffle-iron pattern.
- On one occasion, I have left the house in the morning to find the car had unlocked itself.
- The driver’s side seatbelt has begun wearing away at the seat after less than 8000 miles.
- There is a crackling noise coming from the stereo when the car goes over a bump, and radio reception is generally very poor.
- I have noticed when cleaning the car that one of the rear lights is suspiciously loose and has worn away the paint on the car.
- In some positions, even when ‘clicked in’, the passenger seat is loose.
- There is a creak from the floor on the drivers side when weight is put on it, ie. getting in/out of the car.
- At times the windscreen wipers are silent, and sometimes they clunk so heavily I can feel it through the steering wheel.
- There is a clicking sound coming from the clutch pedal half way through the travel.
- The seatbelts have scratched the interior trim on the A-pillar on both sides.
- There are two “dents” in the bootlid, which apparently all Civics have.

THE CAR IS GOING TOMORROW, NEVER BUYING ANOTHER HONDA EVER AGAIN!

[carnivorous]

Originally Posted by lewist123

Well when i chose my new tyres for the front about 6 months ago, i deliberatly chose more 'grippy' tyres in the hope that it would sort the balance out. It didn't!

I think one of the problems may be the front and rear camber. The fronts have pritty much zero camber, but the rears have a little negative camber. This means as the car rolls, the front looses grip and the rear gains grip.

Sticking 2 degrees of neg camber on the front and making the rear zero would help, but there is no adjustment avaible on the setup, so can't really try that out.

yeh i think you can get adjustable camber bolts mate......there's a thread on it somewhere.....

[Honcho]

Originally Posted by carnivorous

LIST OF FAULTS:

- On a recent trip to the continent, I applied the brakes to slow the car from over 100mph to 50mph. As the car passed roughly 60mph on deceleration, there was a severe shaking from the brakes accompanied by a noticeable drop in braking performance. The shaking, which felt like warped rotors, could be felt through the whole car as my partner, who was a passenger at the time, can confirm. The brakes began working properly again after 2-3 miles, but the shaking continued for 10-20 miles of only very light use. After the juddering had ceased, I decided to try again and accelerated to over 100mph, then applied the brakes at (I would estimate) 70-80% of full power. Once again, as the car slowed past roughly 60mph, the severe judder reappeared and braking performance tailed off so dramatically that I was forced to pull the car over and wait for the brakes to cool down. Neither of these occasions were preceded by heavy use of the brakes, it only took a single cycle to overheat the system. I had the car inspected and was informed that this behaviour was inherent to the braking system on the car, and would not be solved by replacing the rotors and/or brake pads. I regularly drive on the continent and this is simply not safe. We also have a 1.5 Suzuki Swift and the braking performance on the motorway is far superior.
- I have noticed that the car is quite unstable over uneven surfaces (bumpy roads) and severely ‘wags it’s tail’ under braking, even on the motorway. I have been told by a Honda engineer that this is a characteristic of the ‘compromised’ rear suspension over bumpy surfaces and not a ‘fault’ as such. I was also informed that this behaviour is only evident on the Type-R models, and not the other Civic models with softer suspension. Obviously, this doesn’t help my situation.
- There was an unstable feeling from the car, which was resolved by having the wheels re-balanced. The tyres were overfilled by 3-4psi each and 2 of the wheels were out of balance. The resolution to this problem has not affected the two problems above, though it is needless to say that I am not impressed.
- I have noticed a stutter/hesitance to accelerate between 3500-4000 rpm on several occasions.
- When moving off from cold, there is an occasional clunking noise from the front of the car that sounds like it is coming from the suspension.
- I now count several instances of the car jumping out of third gear and into neutral whilst accelerating. This happened once just after I collected the car (I thought it was a fluke or a mis-shift at first), but has happened 3 or 4 times since.
- The driver’s side rubber door seal has ‘fallen off’ 3 times now without provocation, and while inspecting this I noticed some corrosion/rust starting to appear at the top of the door where it seems a seam wasn’t painted properly.
- The handbrake lever wobbles from side to side when disengaged.
- The boot struts don’t open the boot properly without a fair amount of help.
- There was creak from the dash binnacle which was addressed by a technician, but reappears on bad surfaces. This has been joined by an intermittent rattle from both front doors and a squeak from the slider in the centre console that keeps coming back no matter how much PTFE lube one seems to put on it.
- The passenger door handle is becoming increasingly stubborn as time goes on and sometimes requires a lot of effort to open the door.
- The cigarette lighter socket keeps popping out of the centre console.
- When the windows are only open a small bit, when it is raining for instance, they rattle.
- After having approved Honda roof bars fitted to the car, one of the ‘caps’ that cover the gaps left in the trim by the roof bar fixing points detached itself from the car on the motorway, leaving the roof trim flapping around in the wind. Upon inspection, business manager Scott Shearer agreed with me that the design of the roof bar fixings and their covers is inherently ineffective/unacceptable, and that the roof bars would most likely be returned under warranty. I am still waiting to hear back regarding this matter. On top of this, the feet were fitted to stop the trim flying away in the meantime , but without even using the bars and everything torqued to spec, it looks like the feet have permanently marked/dented the paint on the roof in a nice waffle-iron pattern.
- On one occasion, I have left the house in the morning to find the car had unlocked itself.
- The driver’s side seatbelt has begun wearing away at the seat after less than 8000 miles.
- There is a crackling noise coming from the stereo when the car goes over a bump, and radio reception is generally very poor.
- I have noticed when cleaning the car that one of the rear lights is suspiciously loose and has worn away the paint on the car.
- In some positions, even when ‘clicked in’, the passenger seat is loose.
- There is a creak from the floor on the drivers side when weight is put on it, ie. getting in/out of the car.
- At times the windscreen wipers are silent, and sometimes they clunk so heavily I can feel it through the steering wheel.
- There is a clicking sound coming from the clutch pedal half way through the travel.
- The seatbelts have scratched the interior trim on the A-pillar on both sides.
- There are two “dents” in the bootlid, which apparently all Civics have.

THE CAR IS GOING TOMORROW, NEVER BUYING ANOTHER HONDA EVER AGAIN!

I'm not surprised at your final decision. After an experience like that you'd have to be completely insane ever to trust Honda again.

Any individual can only go on their own experience...the most telling judgement of all. Other people's experience is quite irrelevant.

It's just sad that the well-deserved reputation for quality and reliability enjoyed by every other Honda model, world-wide for so many years, has been so badly impugned by this one.

Better luck with your next choice. It could hardly be so bad again.