Windows: Rear window, condensation between glass and perspex - Page 2

Ancient Nerd · 19th November 2006, 13:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaz

If a ford or a vauxhall has a better build quality than a Honda then the world is a very scary place

Even more scary - My Renault Laguna was better built than the current Civic.

Charles_Harding · 19th November 2006, 13:54

Just checked my one out and just the seals are showing signs of 'misting'.

Noticed at the same time that both rear light clusters are suffering that prob as well!

"We are born both naked and hungry - then it gets worse!"

Charles H.

Topcat · 19th November 2006, 15:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by joora

You obviously got a lemon, i'm not happy about that, but hey, have you though maybe that majority of other civics are well built?

I think anyone who can say they have not had any problems at all with their Civic is extremely luck and rare!

If the condensation in the light fittings are "characteristics" of this car then you can all look forward to the same problem in the future as you should bear in mind that many of these faults come to light after a period time and not always straight away. If this were my only problem with my car then I would be very happy. You only have to look at the threads in "Bugs Faults and Irritations" and the abundant replies to see that there are plenty of Civics with problems, bear in mind that only a few of us owners visit this site and there are plenty more out there whom could be having the same or different problems.

Bungle · 20th November 2006, 08:39

My car has some condensation, but it not a problem. Not in the slightest. Condensation happens, it can appear in light listers of any car as the clusters are not air tight and when there is a temperature change, if there is warmer humid air in the lights, it condenses on the cooloer lens.

The water droplets on the boot are not a fault, and are not indicative of poor quality. It just happens because there is a rubber bead at the join.

And Topcat, I don't believe the members of this forum are a fair and true sample of all Civic owners. The majority of owners who are happy will not look for this kind of place to ask questions or seek fixes.

We all have at leat 2 years left on our warranties. If anything does happen about this, other than a small amount of condensation, we can get it sorted then.

Colin Jolly · 20th November 2006, 09:02

I totally agree with Bungle, if I looked hard enough and for long enough I'm sure I could find 1000 little things I'm not happy with...... but I can't be bothered. The Civic is a fantastic car and until something falls off it or doesn’t work as I should then I’m happy.

lukather101 · 20th November 2006, 18:31

I too have a long list of common faults ,But is it the fact that the design is so new and they got a few things badly wrong .My cars going back in on the weekend for the fuel cap ,noise from the rear and got the condensation in the rear light cluster ,i do agree it realy is not on ,im sick of people saying to me ,look that dont fit tidy or whats that noise comming from the rear.

Stef · 20th November 2006, 21:57

Me too, see no problem in this.
Like somebody in the forum complained that his car gets dirty rather fast. Deuh.
This gives me a reason to wash the car more often and feel the smooth curves...

Shaz · 21st November 2006, 20:25

Sorry but I can't understand why people will "put up" with this kind of thing? The seal doesn't work, end of story... it's malfunctioning and it's ugly.

It's a new car, what's wrong with expecting it to be perfect? When people ask "how's the new car" and you reply with "not bad except for the condensation on the rear cluster, the boot and the fuel cap doesn't open", do you not feel slightly.... less enthused with your new purchase?

If I went to half lengths in my day to day job then I'd probably be sacked for gross miscondunct and/or jailed.

britsbest · 21st November 2006, 22:30

I washed mine and got the same effect as in the posted pic. But it appears to me the seal is working stopping the water entering (otherwise it would run past it?)
Can't see this as a problem myself.

Shaz · 21st November 2006, 22:33

It's a constant on mine (and other's presumably). Nothing to do with washing or rain!

joora · 21st November 2006, 23:27

Well, as i can see there is no condesation past the rubber seal (on the pic posted here), so the seal is working.

went to check the condensation thing the other day, and all i could find are 2 large dead bugs in the rear brake light cluster. Dinner time anyone?

Topcat · 22nd November 2006, 08:51

It is not supposed to be there!

I have been put in contact with someone who has some "issues" with the Civic one of which is condensation in the light clusters, they have been told by the dealership that it has not been seen before!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and if it is still there is a few weeks they will replace them.

Honcho · 22nd November 2006, 11:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaz

Sorry but I can't understand why people will "put up" with this kind of thing? The seal doesn't work, end of story... it's malfunctioning and it's ugly.

It's a new car, what's wrong with expecting it to be perfect? When people ask "how's the new car" and you reply with "not bad except for the condensation on the rear cluster, the boot and the fuel cap doesn't open", do you not feel slightly.... less enthused with your new purchase?

If I went to half lengths in my day to day job then I'd probably be sacked for gross miscondunct and/or jailed.

'Watchdog' has been mentioned. I wonder how Honda would react if the prospect of a referral were mentioned by a sufficient number of disgruntled owners who feel their justifiable complaints have been ignored.

Civic Engineer · 22nd November 2006, 12:49

According to the poll on this forum 85% of owners have either no problems, minor niggles or faults caused by dealers. Given the suggestion that the makeup of this forum will include a greater proportion of owners looking for information on faults with their car than the the rest of the civic owning public I think the car isn't that bad. However, of course those that have a problem with their car are entitled to good service. But surely to give the impression the whole time that this is a cr*p car just isn't backed up by the figures. Perhaps a simple poll of who's satisfied with their Civic and who's not is called for. I am one of the "lucky" ones, 10000 miles and no problems what so ever, or is it really AM I one of the lucky ones?

britsbest · 22nd November 2006, 12:51

I know mine is less than a month old but shes perfect !
Better than the last 3 VWs

Topcat · 22nd November 2006, 13:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Civic Engineer

According to the poll on this forum 85% of owners have either no problems, minor niggles or faults caused by dealers. Given the suggestion that the makeup of this forum will include a greater proportion of owners looking for information on faults with their car than the the rest of the civic owning public I think the car isn't that bad. However, of course those that have a problem with their car are entitled to good service. But surely to give the impression the whole time that this is a cr*p car just isn't backed up by the figures. Perhaps a simple poll of who's satisfied with their Civic and who's not is called for. I am one of the "lucky" ones, 10000 miles and no problems what so ever, or is it really AM I one of the lucky ones?

As much as I appear to moan all the time - I do love the look of the car (from a distance in my case

) and I wouldn't have bought it if I didnt love the way the car drove on test drives. But please try to understand when you do have problems and lots of them you cant help feeling negative. You are very lucky, I would love to jump in the car and drive off with a smile on my face

pcr · 22nd November 2006, 14:13

Without making any assumptions, my reading of the poll is that currently 66% of 97 voters have had at least one problem.
I think all Civics have this condensation, this is a problem to some, not to others. To me it's a poorly designed seal that should never have made it out of the door.

Civic Engineer · 22nd November 2006, 14:34

thats the problem with statistics, your analysis is as correct as mine though seen differently, hence the suggestion that a poll that simply asked "are you satisfied with your Civic" would help.

pcr · 22nd November 2006, 14:58

CE, you're right, and despite several problems I do like the car. As each problem gets fixed, the happier I am. I can't imagine how boring it must be to have one that is right first time.

lukather101 · 22nd November 2006, 17:11

I think some people are fussy and some are not ,Im fussy but also expect when i spend good money on something i don,t have to take it back to be fixed all the time.i think also these forums are not a massive help because in some instanses thay make people paranoid

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This thread is about: Rear window, condensation between glass and perspex, it's in Bugs, faults and irritations at the Honda Civic forum Civinfo; Originally Posted by Shaz If a ford or a vauxhall has a better build quality than a Honda then the world is a very scary ...

19th November 2006, 13:54	#22 (permalink)
Charles_Harding Civinfo guru Join Date: 14th August 2006 Location: S.E. London Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just checked my one out and just the seals are showing signs of 'misting'. Noticed at the same time that both rear light clusters are suffering that prob as well! "We are born both naked and hungry - then it gets worse!" Charles H.

20th November 2006, 08:39	#24 (permalink)
Bungle Rocketship door handle Join Date: 3rd July 2006 Location: SE London/Kent Posts: 1,217 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	My car has some condensation, but it not a problem. Not in the slightest. Condensation happens, it can appear in light listers of any car as the clusters are not air tight and when there is a temperature change, if there is warmer humid air in the lights, it condenses on the cooloer lens. The water droplets on the boot are not a fault, and are not indicative of poor quality. It just happens because there is a rubber bead at the join. And Topcat, I don't believe the members of this forum are a fair and true sample of all Civic owners. The majority of owners who are happy will not look for this kind of place to ask questions or seek fixes. We all have at leat 2 years left on our warranties. If anything does happen about this, other than a small amount of condensation, we can get it sorted then.

20th November 2006, 09:02	#25 (permalink)
Colin Jolly Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 31st October 2006 Location: Witham St Hughs, Lincoln Posts: 40 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I totally agree with Bungle, if I looked hard enough and for long enough I'm sure I could find 1000 little things I'm not happy with...... but I can't be bothered. The Civic is a fantastic car and until something falls off it or doesn’t work as I should then I’m happy.

20th November 2006, 18:31	#26 (permalink)
lukather101 Valve Cap Join Date: 26th September 2006 Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I too have a long list of common faults ,But is it the fact that the design is so new and they got a few things badly wrong .My cars going back in on the weekend for the fuel cap ,noise from the rear and got the condensation in the rear light cluster ,i do agree it realy is not on ,im sick of people saying to me ,look that dont fit tidy or whats that noise comming from the rear.

20th November 2006, 21:57	#27 (permalink)
Stef Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 14th October 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 357 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Me too, see no problem in this. Like somebody in the forum complained that his car gets dirty rather fast. Deuh. This gives me a reason to wash the car more often and feel the smooth curves...

21st November 2006, 20:25	#28 (permalink)
Shaz Wheelnut Join Date: 17th September 2006 Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sorry but I can't understand why people will "put up" with this kind of thing? The seal doesn't work, end of story... it's malfunctioning and it's ugly. It's a new car, what's wrong with expecting it to be perfect? When people ask "how's the new car" and you reply with "not bad except for the condensation on the rear cluster, the boot and the fuel cap doesn't open", do you not feel slightly.... less enthused with your new purchase? If I went to half lengths in my day to day job then I'd probably be sacked for gross miscondunct and/or jailed.

21st November 2006, 22:30	#29 (permalink)
britsbest Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 9th September 2006 Location: Cheadle Hulme Posts: 228 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I washed mine and got the same effect as in the posted pic. But it appears to me the seal is working stopping the water entering (otherwise it would run past it?) Can't see this as a problem myself.

21st November 2006, 22:33	#30 (permalink)
Shaz Wheelnut Join Date: 17th September 2006 Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It's a constant on mine (and other's presumably). Nothing to do with washing or rain!

21st November 2006, 23:27	#31 (permalink)
joora Wheelnut Join Date: 11th September 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 72 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well, as i can see there is no condesation past the rubber seal (on the pic posted here), so the seal is working. went to check the condensation thing the other day, and all i could find are 2 large dead bugs in the rear brake light cluster. Dinner time anyone?

22nd November 2006, 08:51	#32 (permalink)
Topcat Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 11th May 2006 Location: Middlesex Posts: 2,712 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	It is not supposed to be there! I have been put in contact with someone who has some "issues" with the Civic one of which is condensation in the light clusters, they have been told by the dealership that it has not been seen before!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and if it is still there is a few weeks they will replace them.

22nd November 2006, 12:49	#34 (permalink)
Civic Engineer Valve Cap Join Date: 18th October 2006 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	According to the poll on this forum 85% of owners have either no problems, minor niggles or faults caused by dealers. Given the suggestion that the makeup of this forum will include a greater proportion of owners looking for information on faults with their car than the the rest of the civic owning public I think the car isn't that bad. However, of course those that have a problem with their car are entitled to good service. But surely to give the impression the whole time that this is a cr*p car just isn't backed up by the figures. Perhaps a simple poll of who's satisfied with their Civic and who's not is called for. I am one of the "lucky" ones, 10000 miles and no problems what so ever, or is it really AM I one of the lucky ones?

22nd November 2006, 14:13	#37 (permalink)
pcr Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 829 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Without making any assumptions, my reading of the poll is that currently 66% of 97 voters have had at least one problem. I think all Civics have this condensation, this is a problem to some, not to others. To me it's a poorly designed seal that should never have made it out of the door.

22nd November 2006, 14:34	#38 (permalink)
Civic Engineer Valve Cap Join Date: 18th October 2006 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thats the problem with statistics, your analysis is as correct as mine though seen differently, hence the suggestion that a poll that simply asked "are you satisfied with your Civic" would help.

22nd November 2006, 14:58	#39 (permalink)
pcr Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 829 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	CE, you're right, and despite several problems I do like the car. As each problem gets fixed, the happier I am. I can't imagine how boring it must be to have one that is right first time.

22nd November 2006, 17:11	#40 (permalink)
lukather101 Valve Cap Join Date: 26th September 2006 Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think some people are fussy and some are not ,Im fussy but also expect when i spend good money on something i don,t have to take it back to be fixed all the time.i think also these forums are not a massive help because in some instanses thay make people paranoid