Transmission Desperate I-SHIFT HELP

[AL56]

Hi All
I dont have any problems with my i-shift, as allan40alt says, i agree with him.

[gmp]

I take your point brodick about could be me'the driver',my previous car ,was the excellent 98 civic cvt model and I now realise how much better it was as an auto.However I did manage to get my dealer to contact Honda UK about the i shift-yes they have modified some pre registered 07 cars but have not got planned to modify existing customers cars at the moment,but it might happen in about 4/5 months(some development I suppose).

[Maldax]

Originally Posted by Brodick

Couldn't really say if there is their get out clause

But I do have to say That I have found no problems with the I-shift
( yes it is a 07 plate car and so was given the upgrade prior to being
registered) but I found the test drive car an 06 plate car fine to drive

What people need to remember is that this is not a full automatic
is as an automated manual and because there is only one clutch ( unlike VW's DSG box which has two clutches and is a lot more expensive) you do feel the change more ( dependant on your speed)

It knows what gear to be in when pulling away from a stop

Oh I could go on basically I do think Honda could refine it but it is good as it stands

I do feel sorry for people who are having problems
although I do wonder if the problems are caused by the driver!!!!!

I love mine! one thing I thing you have to do is trust it. The problem when pulling away at roundabouts when you have not stopped, that I think ALL automated manuals have to some extent is not putting you food down to compensate and cause the box to change again!

[pcf]

I have only had my I-Shift for 3 days (currently in garage for major problems), but prior to this I did feel the gearbox was jerky when changing. I was hoping it had something to do with the faults it currently has, but unfortunately not!

It is most noticeable when slowing down say at a junction, then putting your foot down to move - it seems to shudder / jerk forward!!

My last car was a Mazda 3 with a tiptronic gearbox, which was always a smooth change - so maybe I just have to get used to a different gearbox! or get used to changing manually - but then don't want too - otherwise I would've bought a manual in the first place.

[Brodick]

Originally Posted by pcf

I have only had my I-Shift for 3 days (currently in garage for major problems), but prior to this I did feel the gearbox was jerky when changing. I was hoping it had something to do with the faults it currently has, but unfortunately not!

It is most noticeable when slowing down say at a junction, then putting your foot down to move - it seems to shudder / jerk forward!!

My last car was a Mazda 3 with a tiptronic gearbox, which was always a smooth change - so maybe I just have to get used to a different gearbox! or get used to changing manually - but then don't want too - otherwise I would've bought a manual in the first place.

It is a semi-auto gear box and because the system only has one clutch
you do get some jerks here and there you eed to have a smooth driving style and it shouldn't be so bad

[pcf]

Originally Posted by Brodick

It is a semi-auto gear box and because the system only has one clutch
you do get some jerks here and there you eed to have a smooth driving style and it shouldn't be so bad

Trouble is my Honda is in for MAJOR repairs Electrical Loom - or sometrhing like that - it will take 10 days to 6 weeks to fix!!! I am gutted to say the least, and have to admit it has put me off buying a new Honda in the future - I am looking at refusing the car, as not sold in the condition it was meant for!! Gutted really as LOVED the look of the car.

Dealer says as a last resort they will take electrical Loom out of a new car and refit in mine - but as I asked him why can't I have the NEW car!! Really upset with Honda at the moment - so much for reliability

[Kremmen]

I think the major flaw with the design of the i-shift is that it has 6 gears to choose from.

I would think that most times it has a choice of 2 and cannot make it's mind up.

If they had designed a 4 gear system then each gear would have a wider spectum and this roundabout nonsense would not be an issue as in the majority of cases it would just hold the gear it was already in.

Here endeth the lesson

[HondaTiger]

Had my mean red machine with i-shift for more than a year and 9,000+ miles absolutely no issues. You do have to "learn" to make the most of it, but I would have i-shift on my next car.

[ecs43x]

YES you have right, there is a problem and many got the same problem as you (starting with me). I reported the problem a long time ago. I'm affraied each time I have to drive the car.

Have a look on an other post here :
i Shift change - new software

[allan40alt]

Originally Posted by HondaTiger

Had my mean red machine with i-shift for more than a year and 9,000+ miles absolutely no issues. You do have to "learn" to make the most of it, but I would have i-shift on my next car.

Me too. Love it.

[pcf]

Originally Posted by ecs43x

YES you have right, there is a problem and many got the same problem as you (starting with me). I reported the problem a long time ago. I'm affraied each time I have to drive the car.

Have a look on an other post here :
i Shift change - new software

I am hoping that when they 'fix' the car - or I get another 'New' one, it will be a bit better, as am hoping part of the problem was a fault!

Also the dealer said he will 'show' me how to learn to drive it!! Hhmmm.

One thing the Courtesy Jazz I am driving has a 'normal' auto gearbox, and it also has manual paddles too. This is smooth between gear changes, so why couldn't they have made the Civic as smooth as this ?

[jazzman]

Originally Posted by pcf

I am hoping that when they 'fix' the car - or I get another 'New' one, it will be a bit better, as am hoping part of the problem was a fault!

Also the dealer said he will 'show' me how to learn to drive it!! Hhmmm.

One thing the Courtesy Jazz I am driving has a 'normal' auto gearbox, and it also has manual paddles too. This is smooth between gear changes, so why couldn't they have made the Civic as smooth as this ?

I had a Jazz for 4 years, wonderful car, has a CVT box ( not a "normal" auto box ) which give seamless changes by nature but is a totally different type of box from both normal autos and I-shift type automated boxes. Although as beautifully smooth my I-shift has become I still regret that Honda did not fit the CVT box to our Civics because I think that gearbox is about the best auto I have ever driven

[amnicholson]

Originally Posted by NG Civic

After the brief period of working I shift the faults have re-occured again.
Matter reffered to Honda who refuse (at present to change the car). I'm not driving it again untill matter can be resolved.
I'm now collecting evidence of similiar faults ( if i can find any?) for a DEKRA vehicle inspection to see what they make of it. If you have or know anyone with anything similiar to below, please let me know.

1 Applying foot break when stopping, revs go to virtual stall then recover & overshoot, somethimes "driving" the car along aginst the brakes.
2 When accelerating (most noticeable on a dual carriage way or away from a roundabout) car changes gear & noticably looses speed ( upto 10mph)
3 when coming to a stop at a junction & pulling off again without car actually stopping, car is still in too high a gear & deos not respond by selecting a low enough gear causing shuddering & poor acceleration.
4 when in slow moving traffic (crawling) for some time accelarator gets snatchy as though too much play or in system and also "kangaroos" occasionally.

Changing up the gears is fine & nice & smooth, problems are mainly when car changes down.
All help comments greatly appreciated.

I owned my car for 9 months and having always driven a manual it has taken a bit of getting used to the I-Shift. I have noticed and learnt to drive around point 3 - you either have to come to a complete stop or change down to 1st yourself.

[Brodick]

Originally Posted by ecs43x

YES you have right, there is a problem and many got the same problem as you (starting with me). I reported the problem a long time ago. I'm affraied each time I have to drive the car.

Have a look on an other post here :
i Shift change - new software

ECS if you have a problem take it to your dealer and demand a courtesy car while they look at the problem

There is NO problem with '07, '57 i-shift boxes yes it could be better
but it does work quite a few owners of '06 cars are happy with their cars aswell

If People are having problems with their cars i.e sitting in the middle of the road reving the engine, or no power at junctions then there is a fault with your car and your dealers should be looking into it - this is not normal

[Gerald]

The problem with the i-shift is one of unpredictability. We purchased new last February and it was a disaster and had to be re - programmed after a couple of weeks. It's now much better but still tries to terminate us on occasions. Two major problem a considerable lag when power is required - sometimes but the worst case scenario is when the opposite happens and uncontrollable full power occurs resulting in a considerable lag between removing foot from accelerator and any response so effectively the car is out of control. The gearbox does not change from 1st ? until maximum revs are reached.

I have complained frequently to the dealer who is aware of the problems associated with the i-shift. Apparently some new software is imminent as it has been for the last six months !

[Brodick]

Originally Posted by Gerald

The gearbox does not change from 1st ? until maximum revs are reached.

I find that If I lift my foot off the gear will change around the 3000rpm mark - and if I need to chage a gear quickly I use the paddles

[Honcho]

One clutch is trying to do the work of two.

No matter how brilliant the software and engineering, it will NEVER be as smooth, predictable and responsive as a two-clutch assembly.

Honda clearly paid a great deal of money to the Japanese company who designed it. (Can't remember their name. Sorry). Yet they must have realised that it would always be inferior to any two-clutch box.

So why did they continue with it? Was it arrogance?

It can't possibly have been ignorance.

I wonder if they're regretting it now.

And what are the chances that, come 2009/10, it'll be gone?

[Dimplyred]

Originally Posted by Gerald

The problem with the i-shift is one of unpredictability. We purchased new last February and it was a disaster and had to be re - programmed after a couple of weeks. It's now much better but still tries to terminate us on occasions. Two major problem a considerable lag when power is required - sometimes but the worst case scenario is when the opposite happens and uncontrollable full power occurs resulting in a considerable lag between removing foot from accelerator and any response so effectively the car is out of control. The gearbox does not change from 1st ? until maximum revs are reached.

I have complained frequently to the dealer who is aware of the problems associated with the i-shift. Apparently some new software is imminent as it has been for the last six months !

I have no experience of the i-shift system, but this sounds like a horrendous fault. I don't think I would drive the car if it were mine and that unpredictable.

[Foggy69]

Originally Posted by Honcho

One clutch is trying to do the work of two.

No matter how brilliant the software and engineering, it will NEVER be as smooth, predictable and responsive as a two-clutch assembly.

Honda clearly paid a great deal of money to the Japanese company who designed it. (Can't remember their name. Sorry). Yet they must have realised that it would always be inferior to any two-clutch box.

Unfortunately, 2 clutches doesn't automatically make it better by the sound of things

http://www.civinfo.com/forum/126698-post373.html

[pcf]

Originally Posted by Foggy69

Unfortunately, 2 clutches doesn't automatically make it better by the sound of things

http://www.civinfo.com/forum/126698-post373.html

I am starting to think that now my I-Shift ES has eventually been rejected (gave them 2 weeks to repair and they can't promise, just should be's and hope so's) - I should go for another make ( Trouble is I love the look of it (in & out).

I have driven auto's for donkey's years now, the last two being Toyota Corolla and Mazda 3 - both of which had smooth gear changes (as does the current courtesy Jazz). Will I ever get used to driving the I-Shift - or will I always have a problem with the jerky gear changes. Now I really am confused - if i'd have wanted a manual I would've bought one (

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