Transmission Desperate I-SHIFT HELP

NG Civic · 2nd March 2007, 09:06

After the brief period of working I shift the faults have re-occured again.
Matter reffered to Honda who refuse (at present to change the car). I'm not driving it again untill matter can be resolved.
I'm now collecting evidence of similiar faults ( if i can find any?) for a DEKRA vehicle inspection to see what they make of it. If you have or know anyone with anything similiar to below, please let me know.

1 Applying foot break when stopping, revs go to virtual stall then recover & overshoot, somethimes "driving" the car along aginst the brakes.
2 When accelerating (most noticeable on a dual carriage way or away from a roundabout) car changes gear & noticably looses speed ( upto 10mph)
3 when coming to a stop at a junction & pulling off again without car actually stopping, car is still in too high a gear & deos not respond by selecting a low enough gear causing shuddering & poor acceleration.
4 when in slow moving traffic (crawling) for some time accelarator gets snatchy as though too much play or in system and also "kangaroos" occasionally.

Changing up the gears is fine & nice & smooth, problems are mainly when car changes down.
All help comments greatly appreciated.

AL56 · 2nd March 2007, 21:46

Hi NG Civic
I have a 1.8 ex ishift and do not have the problems you have with yours.
I do not have any complaints at all.
If you drive in manual mode is everything ok.I would take it to the dealer and tell them to get it sorted.

allan40alt · 3rd March 2007, 11:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by AL56

Hi NG Civic
I have a 1.8 ex ishift and do not have the problems you have with yours.
I do not have any complaints at all.
If you drive in manual mode is everything ok.I would take it to the dealer and tell them to get it sorted.

...ditto..

No problems at all with mine.

Charles_Harding · 3rd March 2007, 13:38

The i-Shift seems to need a learning curvel in getting the performance that an auto promises.

Millie performs nigh on perfect for me.

Millie was sluggish in the box the other morning, but it was very cold and I assumed that as it didn't reappear it was the gearbox oils being a bit chilly.

"If you decide that you are indesicive, which one are you?"

Charles H.

kayell · 13th March 2007, 21:15

I bought a new Civic with i-shift approx 6 weeks ago. After approx 3 weeks and 800 miles a major intermittent fault developed with the i-shift - it changed into neutral of its own accord and then locked in neutral. The only way to get it out of neutral was to switch off the engine and start again. The car has been with the local Hondal dealer now for approx 3 weeks and despite contacting Honda technical support they have not cured the fault.

To the credit of the dealer they have agreed to swap the car for a new one. I have decided to get a manual diesel as I have no confidence whatsoever in the i-shift.

When it worked it was extremely jerky in auto mode, and on changing up there was a pause when the engine lost power. If you tried to drive it hard then the auto clutch slipped and it simply revved without delivering power to the wheels.

In manual mode it was better but overall I would not recommend the i-shift to anyone.

I don't believe for one moment that my problems are unique and would welcome any further comments.

Brodick · 13th March 2007, 23:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by kayell

I bought a new Civic with i-shift approx 6 weeks ago. After approx 3 weeks and 800 miles a major intermittent fault developed with the i-shift - it changed into neutral of its own accord and then locked in neutral. The only way to get it out of neutral was to switch off the engine and start again. The car has been with the local Hondal dealer now for approx 3 weeks and despite contacting Honda technical support they have not cured the fault.

To the credit of the dealer they have agreed to swap the car for a new one. I have decided to get a manual diesel as I have no confidence whatsoever in the i-shift.

When it worked it was extremely jerky in auto mode, and on changing up there was a pause when the engine lost power. If you tried to drive it hard then the auto clutch slipped and it simply revved without delivering power to the wheels.

In manual mode it was better but overall I would not recommend the i-shift to anyone.

I don't believe for one moment that my problems are unique and would welcome any further comments.

Was your car an 07 build?
Brand new ?

Certainly we have had no issues with our car as yet although it is one of the first car with the upgraded software - yes it is jerky if you accelarate hard but there is enough power in the engine to avoid hard starts
at the moment we are happy
and as far as I am aware so are most of the other i-shift owners
although there are a few unhappy people

Type S Bournemouth · 14th March 2007, 00:45

all i can say is my local dealer told me to stay away from the i shift as it was poor. Ive never driven an I shift version so i cant comment but just passing on what my honda dealer said when i asked him about i shift.

TTDegs · 14th March 2007, 09:00

kayell

you're the first to post up that particular symptom, sorry

other have had different issues, but no one with a car that puts itself into neutral

This did use to happen to early Audi TT DSG gearboxes, due to an incorrect level of oil in the gearbox.

NG Civic · 14th March 2007, 12:06

In subject of my first email, ACE - an independent vehicle inspection company is collecting my car tommorow & will provide a report on it. I'll put the report up when i know the outcome. In the meantime I have refused to drive it any further ( thank heaven its a company car)

kayell · 14th March 2007, 20:59

Yes bought brand new in January 2007 so I assume it is an 07 build. The Honda dealer tells me that they have still not sorted the problem, despite having the car now for over 3 weeks.

pete · 28th March 2007, 18:12

just got mine ....no problems .....

Kremmen · 29th March 2007, 07:29

I would have thought they would put in a new gearbox and send the faulty one back to a specialist centre or Swindon for proper diagnostics?

kayell · 29th March 2007, 10:43

They have agred to replace the car - and I certainly would not touch another i-shift. They have had the car now for 5 weeks and have still not located the fault. They believe it is wiring problem - perhaps due to a faulty wiring on the air con interfering with the electrics on the i-shift. Good luck with your's and I hope you do not have the same problems.

allan40alt · 29th March 2007, 10:54

That's great news that they are replacing the car, shame is that your experience has put you off i-Shift as there are 1000's of us without problems. I love mine.

Kremmen · 29th March 2007, 11:09

Me neither - not as smooth as full autobox but I will never go back to a full manual again.

gmp · 30th March 2007, 11:31

My car ,1.8 es i shift is still very quirky ,I have mentioned the gear box to my dealer and he has said it will take some getting used to! I questioned him on wether honda are doing anything about the problems,refering to messages on this excellent website - he would get back to me, but never did. I picked up the latest car price list and low and behold it now shows the 1.8 i shift models has gone up to 'D' ved band from my 'C' band - so whats going on.Has honda improved/altered the car and more importantly should they be altering previously sold models(If you have been unhappy).
How can they get over the issue of a different ved band with the DVLC !!

kayell · 30th March 2007, 16:40

It is my understanding that Honda have introduced a mod to all new i-shifts but not all those which were in the show rooms have been modified. I have made my views in i-shift very plain - it is lousy. If yourse persists with problems I would insist on it being changed.

gmp · 3rd April 2007, 12:20

I have mentioned to my dealer several times about the i shift not being very satisfactory without much response,even after quoting this web site.Evidently,auto express did a article on new tax increases for 08 and refers to a harmonising of ved bands 'c,d,and f' with relative yearly increases - could this be Honda's getout over the change of band to update the i shift!!!

Brodick · 3rd April 2007, 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmp

I have mentioned to my dealer several times about the i shift not being very satisfactory without much response,even after quoting this web site.Evidently,auto express did a article on new tax increases for 08 and refers to a harmonising of ved bands 'c,d,and f' with relative yearly increases - could this be Honda's getout over the change of band to update the i shift!!!

Couldn't really say if there is their get out clause

But I do have to say That I have found no problems with the I-shift
( yes it is a 07 plate car and so was given the upgrade prior to being
registered) but I found the test drive car an 06 plate car fine to drive

What people need to remember is that this is not a full automatic
is as an automated manual and because there is only one clutch ( unlike VW's DSG box which has two clutches and is a lot more expensive) you do feel the change more ( dependant on your speed)

It knows what gear to be in when pulling away from a stop

Oh I could go on basically I do think Honda could refine it but it is good as it stands

I do feel sorry for people who are having problems
although I do wonder if the problems are caused by the driver!!!!!

allan40alt · 3rd April 2007, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brodick

.........

Oh I could go on basically I do think Honda could refine it but it is good as it stands

I do feel sorry for people who are having problems
although I do wonder if the problems are caused by the driver!!!!!

I think you may have a point with some drivers not adapting to this automated manual. In auto, if you're accelerating fast, keep your foot down; if you want a more leisurely ride then ease off the gas just a smidgin' as it slips into the next gear. After all, this car has the same gearbox and clutch as a manual car, it's just that the computer operates the clutch and gearchange for you. If you want to drive faster then use the stick/paddles to select your choice of gear for corners/overtaking, just as you would in a manual. That's what makes this system so much more enjoyable than a 'standard' auto where you just sit there, steer and brake.

Everyone says the same thing about it taking time to get used to the auto system, but it is so much more enjoyable when you do. Relax and enjoy.

2nd March 2007, 09:06	#1 (permalink)
NG Civic Valve Cap Join Date: 13th February 2007 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Desperate I-SHIFT HELP After the brief period of working I shift the faults have re-occured again. Matter reffered to Honda who refuse (at present to change the car). I'm not driving it again untill matter can be resolved. I'm now collecting evidence of similiar faults ( if i can find any?) for a DEKRA vehicle inspection to see what they make of it. If you have or know anyone with anything similiar to below, please let me know. 1 Applying foot break when stopping, revs go to virtual stall then recover & overshoot, somethimes "driving" the car along aginst the brakes. 2 When accelerating (most noticeable on a dual carriage way or away from a roundabout) car changes gear & noticably looses speed ( upto 10mph) 3 when coming to a stop at a junction & pulling off again without car actually stopping, car is still in too high a gear & deos not respond by selecting a low enough gear causing shuddering & poor acceleration. 4 when in slow moving traffic (crawling) for some time accelarator gets snatchy as though too much play or in system and also "kangaroos" occasionally. Changing up the gears is fine & nice & smooth, problems are mainly when car changes down. All help comments greatly appreciated.

13th March 2007, 21:15	#5 (permalink)
kayell Valve Cap Join Date: 13th March 2007 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i-shift problems I bought a new Civic with i-shift approx 6 weeks ago. After approx 3 weeks and 800 miles a major intermittent fault developed with the i-shift - it changed into neutral of its own accord and then locked in neutral. The only way to get it out of neutral was to switch off the engine and start again. The car has been with the local Hondal dealer now for approx 3 weeks and despite contacting Honda technical support they have not cured the fault. To the credit of the dealer they have agreed to swap the car for a new one. I have decided to get a manual diesel as I have no confidence whatsoever in the i-shift. When it worked it was extremely jerky in auto mode, and on changing up there was a pause when the engine lost power. If you tried to drive it hard then the auto clutch slipped and it simply revved without delivering power to the wheels. In manual mode it was better but overall I would not recommend the i-shift to anyone. I don't believe for one moment that my problems are unique and would welcome any further comments.

14th March 2007, 20:59	#10 (permalink)
kayell Valve Cap Join Date: 13th March 2007 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i-shift problems Yes bought brand new in January 2007 so I assume it is an 07 build. The Honda dealer tells me that they have still not sorted the problem, despite having the car now for over 3 weeks.

3rd April 2007, 12:20	#18 (permalink)
gmp Wheelnut Join Date: 22nd March 2007 Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	dvla ved band changes I have mentioned to my dealer several times about the i shift not being very satisfactory without much response,even after quoting this web site.Evidently,auto express did a article on new tax increases for 08 and refers to a harmonising of ved bands 'c,d,and f' with relative yearly increases - could this be Honda's getout over the change of band to update the i shift!!!

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2nd March 2007, 21:46	#2 (permalink)
AL56 Wheelnut Join Date: 22nd September 2006 Location: England Posts: 97 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi NG Civic I have a 1.8 ex ishift and do not have the problems you have with yours. I do not have any complaints at all. If you drive in manual mode is everything ok.I would take it to the dealer and tell them to get it sorted.

3rd March 2007, 13:38	#4 (permalink)
Charles_Harding Civinfo guru Join Date: 14th August 2006 Location: S.E. London Posts: 2,834 Thanks: 40 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	The i-Shift seems to need a learning curvel in getting the performance that an auto promises. Millie performs nigh on perfect for me. Millie was sluggish in the box the other morning, but it was very cold and I assumed that as it didn't reappear it was the gearbox oils being a bit chilly. *"If you decide that you are indesicive, which one are you?"* Charles H.

14th March 2007, 00:45	#7 (permalink)
Type S Bournemouth Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 3rd October 2006 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 962 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	all i can say is my local dealer told me to stay away from the i shift as it was poor. Ive never driven an I shift version so i cant comment but just passing on what my honda dealer said when i asked him about i shift.

14th March 2007, 09:00	#8 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	kayell you're the first to post up that particular symptom, sorry other have had different issues, but no one with a car that puts itself into neutral This did use to happen to early Audi TT DSG gearboxes, due to an incorrect level of oil in the gearbox.

14th March 2007, 12:06	#9 (permalink)
NG Civic Valve Cap Join Date: 13th February 2007 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	In subject of my first email, ACE - an independent vehicle inspection company is collecting my car tommorow & will provide a report on it. I'll put the report up when i know the outcome. In the meantime I have refused to drive it any further ( thank heaven its a company car)

28th March 2007, 18:12	#11 (permalink)
pete Valve Cap Join Date: 9th February 2007 Location: wakefield Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	just got mine ....no problems .....

29th March 2007, 07:29	#12 (permalink)
Kremmen Krem de la Krem Civinfo guru Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: West London Posts: 2,419 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	I would have thought they would put in a new gearbox and send the faulty one back to a specialist centre or Swindon for proper diagnostics?

29th March 2007, 10:43	#13 (permalink)
kayell Valve Cap Join Date: 13th March 2007 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	They have agred to replace the car - and I certainly would not touch another i-shift. They have had the car now for 5 weeks and have still not located the fault. They believe it is wiring problem - perhaps due to a faulty wiring on the air con interfering with the electrics on the i-shift. Good luck with your's and I hope you do not have the same problems.

29th March 2007, 10:54	#14 (permalink)
allan40alt Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: Rugby, Warwickshire. Posts: 2,145 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 27 Posts	That's great news that they are replacing the car, shame is that your experience has put you off i-Shift as there are 1000's of us without problems. I love mine.

29th March 2007, 11:09	#15 (permalink)
Kremmen Krem de la Krem Civinfo guru Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: West London Posts: 2,419 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Me neither - not as smooth as full autobox but I will never go back to a full manual again.

30th March 2007, 11:31	#16 (permalink)
gmp Wheelnut Join Date: 22nd March 2007 Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	My car ,1.8 es i shift is still very quirky ,I have mentioned the gear box to my dealer and he has said it will take some getting used to! I questioned him on wether honda are doing anything about the problems,refering to messages on this excellent website - he would get back to me, but never did. I picked up the latest car price list and low and behold it now shows the 1.8 i shift models has gone up to 'D' ved band from my 'C' band - so whats going on.Has honda improved/altered the car and more importantly should they be altering previously sold models(If you have been unhappy). How can they get over the issue of a different ved band with the DVLC !!

30th March 2007, 16:40	#17 (permalink)
kayell Valve Cap Join Date: 13th March 2007 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It is my understanding that Honda have introduced a mod to all new i-shifts but not all those which were in the show rooms have been modified. I have made my views in i-shift very plain - it is lousy. If yourse persists with problems I would insist on it being changed.

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