Engine "Check System" message came on

Hartside · 27th July 2006, 07:56

Got up bright and early this morning and when I started the car I got the battery light staying on, along with a message on the display saying "Check System" I'm sitting here at the moment waiting for the local dealership opening up. I can only assume the alternator has given up the ghost.

WoolyCiv · 27th July 2006, 23:18

What was it, atlernator / drive belt or something else?

Hartside · 28th July 2006, 12:36

Turns out it was the "multiplex" in the fusebox

They have replaced the full fusebox and I'm due to pick it up this afternoon.

WoolyCiv · 28th July 2006, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hartside

Turns out it was the "multiplex" in the fusebox

They have replaced the full fusebox and I'm due to pick it up this afternoon.

Well, I have been involved with electrics/electronics for for quite a long tme (Although not so much in the last 5 years or so) and I have never heard of a 'Multiplex' in an alternator charging circuit. I can only assume that what they call a multiplex is what I and most other folk would call a connector or plug and if so it had come loose and they have reconected it. Is this another case of B******t baffling brains

Hartside · 29th July 2006, 12:56

I wouldn't mind betting you are right WoolyCiv, and you know when you get a feeling that it's not the last time you're going to see the problem again

I have got to say though, that the service I recieved from the dealer was excellent. They took the car immediately and after waiting a while they told me that they had to consult with Honda Technical. They hired me a car on the spot and I went on my way. The service guy kept me informed throughout the rest of the day and then next day phoned to say the car was ready for collection. I forgot to tell them not to clean it, as I'm paranoid about dealers scratching my pride and joy, but to my delight they had done a great job inside and out. (I gave it a thorough check at the dealership for marks before leaving!)

WoolyCiv · 30th July 2006, 00:06

Its good to hear good comments about a dealer for a change

tcplugin · 1st March 2007, 19:35

I'm also having the Check System warning message which doesn't go away...you have to visit the dealer. Model: 2.2 CTDi Ex, date jan-2007.

4000 km - Dealer didn't know where it was coming. A reset fixed it.

8900 km - Today..the Check System message is there again. But even worse: the car is extremely slow, it takes 30 sec's to drive 100 km/h, no power at all. I will visit the dealer for the 2nd time in 4 weeks and will keep you posted.

Kremmen · 2nd March 2007, 07:16

The last time I heard of Multiplex in car electrics was from Peugeot/Citroen on the 307 and C5.

The idea is that 'Multiplex' allows the manufacturers to use far less wiring in the car. An on board computer controls which signals get fed down which wires at which time.

My old C5 had Multiplex and it was a real pain. Examples of the 'pain' was that you could press the button to fold the door mirrors and you could wait anything up to 20 seconds for the mirrors to actually fold. Same with flashing the headlights, once you pulled the lever it could be 5 seconds later before the headlights actually flashed.

From what I could gather the on board computer had decided that other functions were being sent down that particular circuit and your latest request had to wait.

No doubt the whole idea has been modified now.

pcr · 2nd March 2007, 08:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by tcplugin

I'm also having the Check System warning message which doesn't go away...you have to visit the dealer. Model: 2.2 CTDi Ex, date jan-2007.

4000 km - Dealer didn't know where it was coming. A reset fixed it.

8900 km - Today..the Check System message is there again. But even worse: the car is extremely slow, it takes 30 sec's to drive 100 km/h, no power at all. I will visit the dealer for the 2nd time in 4 weeks and will keep you posted.

If the check system light stays on, I would be very surprised if the ecu had not logged a fault. I would always ask for a printout of the diagnostic log in these circumstances. Even if you don't understand it, it's useful for future reference considering that these intermittant warning lights have a habit of coming back to haunt you.

I think resetting the light fixes nothing, other than putting the light out and clearing the log.

Jedi71 · 5th March 2007, 17:04

had the same problem car slowed to snail pace - revs limited dealer said a no of issues mainly to do with fuel rail pressure and voltage drop (dirt in the fuel) they said - i only use bp no supermarket rubbish and still feel as though the reset didn't answer what the problem was ?????????

3rd Honda · 5th March 2007, 17:46

I have had this happen twice. It can apparently be cased by wrong values from any one of many different sensors

First time 'logged' message was an 'out of range' reading from the engine oil level sensor.

Second time was a 'low' reading from the oil sensor - which didn't flag ever as low oil, just turned on 'Check System'. Should have flagged as low oil first.

On neither occasion was the oil below 30% to full on the dipstick.

Both occasions necessitated an addition 25 mile round trip to the dealers to have the log read and the indicator turned off. I do not expect to have to visit the dealer every time it thinks the oil is low.

I believe that certain error messages that cause the summary warning 'Check System' also covers various faults that set the system in a 'limp home' mode - hence the lack of power reported by some sufferers.

I really do hope that this isn't a classic case of the checking systems being less reliable than the things they are supposed to be checking

pcr · 5th March 2007, 18:29

Jedi71,
I would expect dirty fuel to cause a much more jerky effect to what you describe, but inspection of the fuel filter should be a good indication. I can believe lack of fuel rail pressure might be the cause, or a hiccup in the fuel-flow control giving the effect of rev limiting.

tcplugin · 4th April 2007, 15:57

The check system error came on for the 3rd time in 15.000 km. Again, the car is driving a sort of "limp home" mode, also the cruise control doesn't work. To give you an impression: the 1.4 Civic is faster than my 2.2 CTDi

Latest news: I have mailed my dealer and they mailed be back that Honda has "special equipment" developed dealers can order to fix the problem. However, it's in backorder at the moment.

Btw: my dealer confirmed that Honda knows about this "Check system" issue.

Bog · 9th June 2007, 16:19

Whilst 'Fiddling' I manage to blow fuse 10. After I replaced it, I now get 'Check System' warning constantly. Everything works fine on the car and it drives OK.

I only realised I'd blown the fuse when I tried to start the car and it wouldn't start.

Is it possible that when it tried to start, it got an unexpected sensor reading and that all it needs is a reset or could be something worse?

27th July 2006, 07:56	#1 (permalink)
Hartside Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 4th May 2006 Location: Northumberland Posts: 563 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	"Check System" message came on Got up bright and early this morning and when I started the car I got the battery light staying on, along with a message on the display saying "Check System" I'm sitting here at the moment waiting for the local dealership opening up. I can only assume the alternator has given up the ghost.

5th March 2007, 17:04	#10 (permalink)
Jedi71 Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 23rd October 2006 Location: Surrey Posts: 112 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	check system had the same problem car slowed to snail pace - revs limited dealer said a no of issues mainly to do with fuel rail pressure and voltage drop (dirt in the fuel) they said - i only use bp no supermarket rubbish and still feel as though the reset didn't answer what the problem was ?????????

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WoolyCiv 12th June 2006 1.8EX Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th May 2006 Location: Lancashire Posts: 1,118 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	What was it, atlernator / drive belt or something else?

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Hartside Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 4th May 2006 Location: Northumberland Posts: 563 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Turns out it was the "multiplex" in the fusebox They have replaced the full fusebox and I'm due to pick it up this afternoon.

29th July 2006, 12:56	#5 (permalink)
Hartside Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 4th May 2006 Location: Northumberland Posts: 563 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I wouldn't mind betting you are right WoolyCiv, and you know when you get a feeling that it's not the last time you're going to see the problem again I have got to say though, that the service I recieved from the dealer was excellent. They took the car immediately and after waiting a while they told me that they had to consult with Honda Technical. They hired me a car on the spot and I went on my way. The service guy kept me informed throughout the rest of the day and then next day phoned to say the car was ready for collection. I forgot to tell them not to clean it, as I'm paranoid about dealers scratching my pride and joy, but to my delight they had done a great job inside and out. (I gave it a thorough check at the dealership for marks before leaving!)

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WoolyCiv 12th June 2006 1.8EX Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th May 2006 Location: Lancashire Posts: 1,118 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Its good to hear good comments about a dealer for a change

1st March 2007, 19:35	#7 (permalink)
tcplugin Valve Cap Join Date: 31st January 2007 Location: Antwerpen, Belgium Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I'm also having the Check System warning message which doesn't go away...you have to visit the dealer. Model: 2.2 CTDi Ex, date jan-2007. 4000 km - Dealer didn't know where it was coming. A reset fixed it. 8900 km - Today..the Check System message is there again. But even worse: the car is extremely slow, it takes 30 sec's to drive 100 km/h, no power at all. I will visit the dealer for the 2nd time in 4 weeks and will keep you posted.

2nd March 2007, 07:16	#8 (permalink)
Kremmen Krem de la Krem Civinfo guru Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: West London Posts: 2,825 Thanks: 13 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts iTrader: (0)	The last time I heard of Multiplex in car electrics was from Peugeot/Citroen on the 307 and C5. The idea is that 'Multiplex' allows the manufacturers to use far less wiring in the car. An on board computer controls which signals get fed down which wires at which time. My old C5 had Multiplex and it was a real pain. Examples of the 'pain' was that you could press the button to fold the door mirrors and you could wait anything up to 20 seconds for the mirrors to actually fold. Same with flashing the headlights, once you pulled the lever it could be 5 seconds later before the headlights actually flashed. From what I could gather the on board computer had decided that other functions were being sent down that particular circuit and your latest request had to wait. No doubt the whole idea has been modified now.

5th March 2007, 17:46	#11 (permalink)
3rd Honda Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 24th July 2006 Location: Tewkesbury Posts: 375 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts iTrader: (0)	I have had this happen twice. It can apparently be cased by wrong values from any one of many different sensors First time 'logged' message was an 'out of range' reading from the engine oil level sensor. Second time was a 'low' reading from the oil sensor - which didn't flag ever as low oil, just turned on 'Check System'. Should have flagged as low oil first. On neither occasion was the oil below 30% to full on the dipstick. Both occasions necessitated an addition 25 mile round trip to the dealers to have the log read and the indicator turned off. I do not expect to have to visit the dealer every time it thinks the oil is low. I believe that certain error messages that cause the summary warning 'Check System' also covers various faults that set the system in a 'limp home' mode - hence the lack of power reported by some sufferers. I really do hope that this isn't a classic case of the checking systems being less reliable than the things they are supposed to be checking

5th March 2007, 18:29	#12 (permalink)
pcr Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 848 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Jedi71, I would expect dirty fuel to cause a much more jerky effect to what you describe, but inspection of the fuel filter should be a good indication. I can believe lack of fuel rail pressure might be the cause, or a hiccup in the fuel-flow control giving the effect of rev limiting.

4th April 2007, 15:57	#13 (permalink)
tcplugin Valve Cap Join Date: 31st January 2007 Location: Antwerpen, Belgium Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	The check system error came on for the 3rd time in 15.000 km. Again, the car is driving a sort of "limp home" mode, also the cruise control doesn't work. To give you an impression: the 1.4 Civic is faster than my 2.2 CTDi Latest news: I have mailed my dealer and they mailed be back that Honda has "special equipment" developed dealers can order to fix the problem. However, it's in backorder at the moment. Btw: my dealer confirmed that Honda knows about this "Check system" issue.

9th June 2007, 16:19	#14 (permalink)
Bog Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th October 2006 Location: Romford, Essex Posts: 900 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	Whilst 'Fiddling' I manage to blow fuse 10. After I replaced it, I now get 'Check System' warning constantly. Everything works fine on the car and it drives OK. I only realised I'd blown the fuse when I tried to start the car and it wouldn't start. Is it possible that when it tried to start, it got an unexpected sensor reading and that all it needs is a reset or could be something worse?