Long list Getting our problems heard - Page 3

TTDegs · 26th April 2007, 10:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by sco77harris

i see where you are all coming from but the problems have been undeniably acceptable, at the end of day if there isnt a enough support it wont happen, i already have my free service so it up to you guys if you want it

sco - I do agree that (in particular) the fuel cap should never have been an issue. We'll skip over the whole issue of how soon it came to light and if Honda could have been expected to test a fuel cap release over the course of several months.
But yes, it wasn't good.

However - it's still (by a long way) the biggest fault which people are ticking.
I would imagine that pretty much everyone (on here) has either had it fixed by now, or at very least knows it can be, just have decided not to yet.

Potentially there is a large group of owners out there who have yet to find us that might still be struggling - but I would hope that anyone complaining about it to their dealer would get it fixed very quickly.

Where is all my rambling going?

I think that if we go to press with the biggest issue being fuel caps, Honda will laugh their socks off

On the down side, an uneducated glance at the stats by someone who doesn't know the background would think 'oh my god, I've got a 65% chance of being stranded at a petrol station!' - which is not really the case.

edudat · 26th April 2007, 10:14

I have only ticked the poor paint, because it is a real problem and they will not solve under guarantee (that's the dealer last word). I also have the anoying noise of the clutch but I think they will solve it so I don't tick that one. The rest of the problems, I don't have them/are not important to me.

Edit: the pictures of my bonnet with 6 months.... the bonnet was worst than it can be appreciated in the picture as very small constelations of stonechips are not visible in the picture but are there. I imagine I have to post the pictures here since the other thread is closed ¿??

Also the link to the Spanish thread on this (64% owners had the same problem)
http://www.clubhondacivic.com/viewto...t=4708&start=0

GHGH · 26th April 2007, 10:27

Agreed - we may seem a bit grumpy in this forum. Strange, since I love this car.
Part of the explanation I believe is that the forum users have a very high consciousness about their baby, and will notice about everything, then start to wonder and ask questions, (just like it was a real baby).
My wife would find it unthinkable to spend as much as a second on a car forum - she regards a car purely as a mean of transportation. If the fuel cap doesn't work, she'll just call at the dealer and have them fix it. Period.

Honcho · 26th April 2007, 11:52

Hope this poll ISN'T representative. 85% with problems? Honda? Ye gods!

rhodgreen · 26th April 2007, 12:14

You can certainly count me in with any magazine publicity against Honda. See my thread "who can make the longest list" for a summary of my problems. The car has even been back to Honda UK recently - with no resolution of some problems!

TTDegs · 26th April 2007, 12:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honcho

Hope this poll ISN'T representative. 85% with problems? Honda? Ye gods!

Given that every single Civic in production up until a couple of months back had a fuel cap that almost certainly will stick at some point, combined with people clicking for problems which have been fixed - I'm surprised it's only 85%...

generationgav · 26th April 2007, 16:15

hmmm, now i'm not sure.
I'm quite up for the mag, because I don't want any more Civics on the road, I want to be special. But on the other hand I really don't want to complain that much, the paint issue is the only one I'd say is an issue because the dealer won't fix it, everything else has been fixed quite painlessly on mine!

ben hinkley · 26th April 2007, 18:22

I have only had the car for 6 or 7 weeks and have had no problems at all,but with you talking about going to press i am a bit concerned about the residual value of my lovely car. So should i sell it now before you commit hara-kiri on behalf of a small percentage!

Bungle · 26th April 2007, 20:28

Honda are fixing the vast majority of faults.

Fuel caps - fixed
Shocks - fixed
Creaky windows - fixed
Just about every item on the list is easily fixed by a simple visit to the dealers.

The ones that are questionable are the paint durability, which is certainly no worse than any other new car I have had recently and the radio. The radio is 100% better in this car than it was in my Clios or my current Corsa, so again I don't see the issue.

Apart from giving our cars bad publicity, what will this acheive? Honda aren't going to suddenly replace all of our cars. If the goal is to put people off, why? I have had a good number of the faults listed, but they have all been fixed and I could not be happier with my purchase.
I would still recommend the car to people and don't want to put people off.

Pottsy · 26th April 2007, 22:41

I have to say that I'm with Bungle. I've had a few minor niggles, which is not unexpected for an early build of an entirely new car. All have been fixed by the dealer, and I'm left with a tremendous car with possibly the finest engine and gearbox I've ever driven.

sco77harris · 26th April 2007, 22:50

i dont want to go into details but today was a gim bummer, basically i had to part from my front passenger side wishbone - not happy to say the least - will be taking this up with honda

Topcat · 26th April 2007, 22:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by sco77harris

i dont want to go into details but today was a gim bummer, basically i had to part from my front passenger side wishbone - not happy to say the least - will be taking this up with honda

I dont know what a wishbone is

TTDegs · 27th April 2007, 00:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topcat

I dont know what a wishbone is

one of the bits that connects the front wheel to the car

not good news to have it break...

TTDegs · 27th April 2007, 00:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bungle

Honda are fixing the vast majority of faults.

Fuel caps - fixed
Shocks - fixed
Creaky windows - fixed
Just about every item on the list is easily fixed by a simple visit to the dealers.

The ones that are questionable are the paint durability, which is certainly no worse than any other new car I have had recently and the radio. The radio is 100% better in this car than it was in my Clios or my current Corsa, so again I don't see the issue.

Apart from giving our cars bad publicity, what will this acheive? Honda aren't going to suddenly replace all of our cars. If the goal is to put people off, why? I have had a good number of the faults listed, but they have all been fixed and I could not be happier with my purchase.
I would still recommend the car to people and don't want to put people off.

Bungle

many thanks for putting into understandable words what I have been trying to say with my ramblings about the fuel cap

pcr · 27th April 2007, 00:39

I take a different view, a problem is a problem whether it gets fixed or not. I didn't spend a lot of money on a new car to have endless trips to the dealers. I said this before but in 45 years driving secondhand and new cars I have been back to the dealers once only, yes ONCE. Now the Civic, maybe ten times in ten months, something is wrong with the quality of this car.

sco77harris · 27th April 2007, 07:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcr

I take a different view, a problem is a problem whether it gets fixed or not. I didn't spend a lot of money on a new car to have endless trips to the dealers. I said this before but in 45 years driving secondhand and new cars I have been back to the dealers once only, yes ONCE. Now the Civic, maybe ten times in ten months, something is wrong with the quality of this car.

this is what i mean, i had the same thing and was made to sit in the dealership like a dead duck when it was meant to take 30 mins but took more like 2 hours lol

Topcat · 27th April 2007, 07:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcr

I take a different view, a problem is a problem whether it gets fixed or not. I didn't spend a lot of money on a new car to have endless trips to the dealers. I said this before but in 45 years driving secondhand and new cars I have been back to the dealers once only, yes ONCE. Now the Civic, maybe ten times in ten months, something is wrong with the quality of this car.

I agree, and how many people have had things fixed only to have the same problem a few weeks later?

If we all had just one or two things go wrong then fair enough, but to have such a wide variety of issues is just unacceptable especially when there is no back up from some dealerships or Honda UK.

GHGH · 27th April 2007, 07:52

It is possible that this kind of bugs is more likely to happen with an entirely new design than with an old dull one. It reminds me of the citroens i've driven with wonderful new design which not always turned out to be well proven.
And I feel that this is a low price to pay compared to be stuck with for example a Corolla for the next years....

l-noel · 27th April 2007, 07:53

Just a remark,

By adding the "no problem" option the % results are not good anymore because you can tick more than one option... because for the samecar you can have more than one problem.
I know I'm a little bit late, but it would have been more "accurate" to do a second Poll with only two options : car with or without problem.
This one is perfect to identified the recurent problems on the civic but it give a wrong info about the figures of cars without problems. I.e. Topcat civic count for 11 and mine for 1... Os that stat figures for No problem car is more confusing than relevant.

View Poll Results: what problems have you had
shock absorbers	78	33.91%
faulty radio	25	10.87%
fuel cap	137	59.57%
faulty climate control	15	6.52%
scratched dashboard and poor trim	85	36.96%
faulty handbrake	17	7.39%
loose front bumper	5	2.17%
problems with ishift	6	2.61%
problems with gears/clutch	22	9.57%
lights fowling bumper front and rear	7	3.04%
plastic above windscreen fowling paint	15	6.52%
squeeking wipers and blades	29	12.61%
poor paint	47	20.43%
noises from trim and air con	42	18.26%
other please specify	21	9.13%
No Issues / Problems!	29	12.61%
HFT	32	13.91%
Bootlid dampers	26	11.30%
Tail Light Condensation	62	26.96%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 230. You may not vote on this poll \| Withdraw Vote

26th April 2007, 10:14	#42 (permalink)
edudat Valve Cap Join Date: 13th July 2006 Location: Asturias-Spain Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I have only ticked the poor paint, because it is a real problem and they will not solve under guarantee (that's the dealer last word). I also have the anoying noise of the clutch but I think they will solve it so I don't tick that one. The rest of the problems, I don't have them/are not important to me. Edit: the pictures of my bonnet with 6 months.... the bonnet was worst than it can be appreciated in the picture as very small constelations of stonechips are not visible in the picture but are there. I imagine I have to post the pictures here since the other thread is closed ¿?? Also the link to the Spanish thread on this (64% owners had the same problem) http://www.clubhondacivic.com/viewto...t=4708&start=0 Last edited by edudat; 26th April 2007 at 10:30.

26th April 2007, 12:14	#45 (permalink)
rhodgreen Blue Ambient Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 3rd November 2006 Location: Southampton Posts: 154 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	You can certainly count me in with any magazine publicity against Honda. See my thread "who can make the longest list" for a summary of my problems. The car has even been back to Honda UK recently - with no resolution of some problems! Last edited by rhodgreen; 26th April 2007 at 12:16.


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26th April 2007, 10:27	#43 (permalink)
GHGH Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 1,026 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Agreed - we may seem a bit grumpy in this forum. Strange, since I love this car. Part of the explanation I believe is that the forum users have a very high consciousness about their baby, and will notice about everything, then start to wonder and ask questions, (just like it was a real baby). My wife would find it unthinkable to spend as much as a second on a car forum - she regards a car purely as a mean of transportation. If the fuel cap doesn't work, she'll just call at the dealer and have them fix it. Period.

26th April 2007, 11:52	#44 (permalink)
Honcho Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 5th October 2006 Posts: 274 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hope this poll ISN'T representative. 85% with problems? Honda? Ye gods!

26th April 2007, 16:15	#47 (permalink)
generationgav Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 29th May 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 809 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	hmmm, now i'm not sure. I'm quite up for the mag, because I don't want any more Civics on the road, I want to be special. But on the other hand I really don't want to complain that much, the paint issue is the only one I'd say is an issue because the dealer won't fix it, everything else has been fixed quite painlessly on mine!

26th April 2007, 18:22	#48 (permalink)
ben hinkley Wheelnut Join Date: 26th January 2007 Location: Milton Keynes Posts: 90 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I have only had the car for 6 or 7 weeks and have had no problems at all,but with you talking about going to press i am a bit concerned about the residual value of my lovely car. So should i sell it now before you commit hara-kiri on behalf of a small percentage!

26th April 2007, 20:28	#49 (permalink)
Bungle Rocketship door handle Join Date: 3rd July 2006 Location: SE London/Kent Posts: 1,220 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Honda are fixing the vast majority of faults. Fuel caps - fixed Shocks - fixed Creaky windows - fixed Just about every item on the list is easily fixed by a simple visit to the dealers. The ones that are questionable are the paint durability, which is certainly no worse than any other new car I have had recently and the radio. The radio is 100% better in this car than it was in my Clios or my current Corsa, so again I don't see the issue. Apart from giving our cars bad publicity, what will this acheive? Honda aren't going to suddenly replace all of our cars. If the goal is to put people off, why? I have had a good number of the faults listed, but they have all been fixed and I could not be happier with my purchase. I would still recommend the car to people and don't want to put people off.

26th April 2007, 22:41	#50 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,467 Thanks: 22 Thanked 164 Times in 97 Posts iTrader: (0)	I have to say that I'm with Bungle. I've had a few minor niggles, which is not unexpected for an early build of an entirely new car. All have been fixed by the dealer, and I'm left with a tremendous car with possibly the finest engine and gearbox I've ever driven.

26th April 2007, 22:50	#51 (permalink)
sco77harris Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th June 2006 Location: stanmore london Posts: 978 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	i dont want to go into details but today was a gim bummer, basically i had to part from my front passenger side wishbone - not happy to say the least - will be taking this up with honda

27th April 2007, 00:39	#55 (permalink)
pcr Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 848 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	I take a different view, a problem is a problem whether it gets fixed or not. I didn't spend a lot of money on a new car to have endless trips to the dealers. I said this before but in 45 years driving secondhand and new cars I have been back to the dealers once only, yes ONCE. Now the Civic, maybe ten times in ten months, something is wrong with the quality of this car.

27th April 2007, 07:52	#58 (permalink)
GHGH Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 1,026 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	It is possible that this kind of bugs is more likely to happen with an entirely new design than with an old dull one. It reminds me of the citroens i've driven with wonderful new design which not always turned out to be well proven. And I feel that this is a low price to pay compared to be stuck with for example a Corolla for the next years....

27th April 2007, 07:53	#59 (permalink)
l-noel Wine and cooking ! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 5th December 2006 Location: Roanne-France Posts: 1,316 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts iTrader: (0)	Just a remark, By adding the "no problem" option the % results are not good anymore because you can tick more than one option... because for the samecar you can have more than one problem. I know I'm a little bit late, but it would have been more "accurate" to do a second Poll with only two options : car with or without problem. This one is perfect to identified the recurent problems on the civic but it give a wrong info about the figures of cars without problems. I.e. Topcat civic count for 11 and mine for 1... Os that stat figures for No problem car is more confusing than relevant.