Steering What could this be?

Topcat · 10th October 2007, 17:28

My car has now developed a strange groaning, creaking grinding sound cant decide the best word to describe it but it as I bear left or right (mainly left) it is very noticeable at low revs and does it when going forwards or in reverse.

It sounds like it is coming from under the car possiblly connected to steering wheel movement or maybe the wheels. It does it whether I am braking or not so dont think it is connected to the brakes - will I ever be free from the dealership Argggggggggg!!!!

Any ideas?

Bungle · 10th October 2007, 17:34

Could it be the torsion beam on the rear suspension groaning as the wight is shfting, TC?

TTDegs · 10th October 2007, 17:41

It could be the lower knuckle joint - maybe?

TC - whilst this is not normally something I'd recommend due to scrubbing your tyres, what happens if you turn the steering wheel whilst not moving?
Obviously you will hear the sound of the tyres scrubbing on the ground, but it will show if it something rotating (drive shaft etc) which is causing it, or something to do with the steering...

Topcat · 10th October 2007, 18:05

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Originally Posted by TTDegs

It could be the lower knuckle joint - maybe?

TC - whilst this is not normally something I'd recommend due to scrubbing your tyres, what happens if you turn the steering wheel whilst not moving?
Obviously you will hear the sound of the tyres scrubbing on the ground, but it will show if it something rotating (drive shaft etc) which is causing it, or something to do with the steering...

Thanks TT I have just tried this, the noise now appears to be coming from the steering column or somewhere around that area but the noise gets worse the more the steering wheel turns to the left and as you come back to the right, by the time I have got to full lock to the right it has stopped.

It sounds like a rumbling creak rather than a grinding sound I have decided

TTDegs · 10th October 2007, 18:24

welcome TC

Unfortunately, this sounds to me like a fairly urgent trip to your favourite place

If it is the knuckle joint, then you don't want it to wear and fail!
Although it's not normally a greased item...

One other thought - might we just worth checking that your wheels nuts are tight too

and one more (

)
the other bit that is near the knuckle, and is supposed to be greased, is the tie rod end.

From memory, it was one of these 2 items which mysteriously failed on someone's car in here - but they didn't progress it with Honda and just paid for the replacement bits.

Topcat · 10th October 2007, 19:16

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Originally Posted by TTDegs

welcome TC

Unfortunately, this sounds to me like a fairly urgent trip to your favourite place

If it is the knuckle joint, then you don't want it to wear and fail!
Although it's not normally a greased item...

One other thought - might we just worth checking that your wheels nuts are tight too

and one more (

)
the other bit that is near the knuckle, and is supposed to be greased, is the tie rod end.

From memory, it was one of these 2 items which mysteriously failed on someone's car in here - but they didn't progress it with Honda and just paid for the replacement bits.

Marvelous I will call them tomorrow, they will be sick of my name soon

Topcat · 11th October 2007, 15:35

Its the steering rack - booked in on the 22nd October

Brodick · 11th October 2007, 18:34

connected to any of your bumps and scrapes??

Topcat · 11th October 2007, 18:49

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Originally Posted by Brodick

connected to any of your bumps and scrapes??

Not likely the accident was the side of the rear bumper back in February and that was a scrape not a hit.

More likely to be down to Honda's inferior workmanship and cheap parts

Brodick · 11th October 2007, 18:57

( to much of a gentleman to start another debate on that subject )

good to hear you are getting it fixed quickly tho TC

Kremmen · 12th October 2007, 07:04

Tell them to be careful of the paint whilst in their care.

czechplastik · 14th October 2007, 05:51

This sounds much like a problem I've been having...

Grinding noise.

Topcat · 14th October 2007, 09:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by czechplastik

This sounds much like a problem I've been having...

Grinding noise.

CZ have you tried doing what TT said, when my car is stationary and I turn the steering wheel the noise is quite bad, when I took it to the dealer we didnt need to drive anywhere for them to hear it and each day the noise is getting worse.

czechplastik · 15th October 2007, 01:14

The dealer assured me everything was fine having looked at it. Could possibly be the nuts but there is no reason why they would be loose. I'll make enquries if I ever get some time off work!

LoonyJohn · 15th October 2007, 04:17

Just guessing TC, but probably not the steering rack itself, but the electric motor that gives you power steering. there is a sensor which spots any torque applied by the steering wheel, and if it is over a certain amount, compensates by using a small but powerful electric motor

Probably isn't dangerous just yet, but I'd say the bearings in the motor are shot. It doesn't sound like the rack itself, as when you turn a steady turn, the rack is locked into one position, but the motor would still be applying a force to make your steering feel light.

Of course, once your PS motor dies, then you have no power steering, and your car would fail an MOT..

CZ try with your engine running, and car stationary, and apply a slight turn on your wheel, so you can here the PS motor straining slightly...

LJ

richierich69 · 15th October 2007, 22:10

Ditto to all the annoyances and strange noises from the steering called Honda in Letchworth today and they have me booked in for tuesday pm grrrrrreat service just hope they can fix it soon

Topcat · 28th October 2007, 19:11

Got the car back yesterday and today the same noise is back

Maybe I was meant to buy a Jazz seeing as I spend most of time driving one !!

FWH · 28th October 2007, 19:14

That is never fun...
Back to the dealer I presume.

Munro · 28th October 2007, 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topcat

Got the car back yesterday and today the same noise is back

Maybe I was meant to buy a Jazz seeing as I spend most of time driving one !!

I would consider telling them you are concerned about the safety of the car in writing - that always makes the dealer extremely careful to fix the problem. They may replace the rack and various other parts while they are investigating just to make sure they fix it this time round (under warranty of course!) You might try for a better courtesy car as well - since you have been unlucky with problems so far (Type R ?)

Hope you have better luck with your car soon !

Topcat · 30th October 2007, 18:24

Back to Honda today, car booked in for 8th November they now want to look at the suspension

10th October 2007, 17:28	#1 (permalink)
Topcat Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 11th May 2006 Location: Middlesex Posts: 2,743 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts iTrader: (0)	What could this be? My car has now developed a strange groaning, creaking grinding sound cant decide the best word to describe it but it as I bear left or right (mainly left) it is very noticeable at low revs and does it when going forwards or in reverse. It sounds like it is coming from under the car possiblly connected to steering wheel movement or maybe the wheels. It does it whether I am braking or not so dont think it is connected to the brakes - will I ever be free from the dealership Argggggggggg!!!! Any ideas?

10th October 2007, 18:24	#5 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	welcome TC Unfortunately, this sounds to me like a fairly urgent trip to your favourite place If it is the knuckle joint, then you don't want it to wear and fail! Although it's not normally a greased item... One other thought - might we just worth checking that your wheels nuts are tight too and one more () the other bit that is near the knuckle, and is supposed to be greased, is the tie rod end. From memory, it was one of these 2 items which mysteriously failed on someone's car in here - but they didn't progress it with Honda and just paid for the replacement bits.

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Brodick Perfect Guy! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 2nd December 2006 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 1,720 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts iTrader: (0)	( to much of a gentleman to start another debate on that subject ) good to hear you are getting it fixed quickly tho TC Last edited by Brodick; 11th October 2007 at 21:41.

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Bungle Rocketship door handle Join Date: 3rd July 2006 Location: SE London/Kent Posts: 1,217 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Could it be the torsion beam on the rear suspension groaning as the wight is shfting, TC?

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	It could be the lower knuckle joint - maybe? TC - whilst this is not normally something I'd recommend due to scrubbing your tyres, what happens if you turn the steering wheel whilst not moving? Obviously you will hear the sound of the tyres scrubbing on the ground, but it will show if it something rotating (drive shaft etc) which is causing it, or something to do with the steering...

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Topcat Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 11th May 2006 Location: Middlesex Posts: 2,743 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts iTrader: (0)	Its the steering rack - booked in on the 22nd October

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Brodick Perfect Guy! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 2nd December 2006 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 1,720 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts iTrader: (0)	connected to any of your bumps and scrapes??

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Kremmen Krem de la Krem Civinfo guru Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: West London Posts: 2,638 Thanks: 8 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts iTrader: (0)	Tell them to be careful of the paint whilst in their care.

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czechplastik King of the rodeo Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th October 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 4,500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	This sounds much like a problem I've been having... Grinding noise.

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czechplastik King of the rodeo Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th October 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 4,500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	The dealer assured me everything was fine having looked at it. Could possibly be the nuts but there is no reason why they would be loose. I'll make enquries if I ever get some time off work!

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LoonyJohn Honda Tardis Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 18th February 2007 Location: NE Derbyshire Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Just guessing TC, but probably not the steering rack itself, but the electric motor that gives you power steering. there is a sensor which spots any torque applied by the steering wheel, and if it is over a certain amount, compensates by using a small but powerful electric motor Probably isn't dangerous just yet, but I'd say the bearings in the motor are shot. It doesn't sound like the rack itself, as when you turn a steady turn, the rack is locked into one position, but the motor would still be applying a force to make your steering feel light. Of course, once your PS motor dies, then you have no power steering, and your car would fail an MOT.. CZ try with your engine running, and car stationary, and apply a slight turn on your wheel, so you can here the PS motor straining slightly... LJ

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richierich69 Diesel Lover Valve Cap Join Date: 27th September 2007 Location: Stevenage Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Ditto to all the annoyances and strange noises from the steering called Honda in Letchworth today and they have me booked in for tuesday pm grrrrrreat service just hope they can fix it soon

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Topcat Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 11th May 2006 Location: Middlesex Posts: 2,743 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts iTrader: (0)	Got the car back yesterday and today the same noise is back Maybe I was meant to buy a Jazz seeing as I spend most of time driving one !!

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FWH Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 3rd June 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,363 Thanks: 9 Thanked 48 Times in 43 Posts iTrader: (0)	That is never fun... Back to the dealer I presume.

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Topcat Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 11th May 2006 Location: Middlesex Posts: 2,743 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts iTrader: (0)	Back to Honda today, car booked in for 8th November they now want to look at the suspension