Handbrake handbrake self release (inc recall letter) - Page 12

Topcat · 7th December 2007, 21:59

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Originally Posted by Pottsy

I agree. But now, when faced with news of a potential problem, they have a choice of:

a) Deny everything and do nothing (Renault bonnet anyone?)

Oh do you mean like they have been doing until now, when we know for a fact that more than one or two people have contacted Honda telling them their car has rolled away.

Sounds familiar to me , radios, fog lights, batteries, boot struts, shocks, paintwork

You dont know everything Pottsy (although I do admit you know a lot

)
I would place a huge bet on something quite bad happening for Honda to have had a wake up call on this one.

Topcat · 7th December 2007, 22:14

I have just been reading through this old thread on handbrake problems, so many reports of poor handbrake and so many people saying YOU MUST press button when applying the brake

Handbrake Problem

Pottsy · 7th December 2007, 22:20

TC, those many people were, and still are correct. Ideally you should push the button in, pull the lever, release the button and pull the lever one more click (to ensure the ratchet has engaged properly). But that's a bit complicated for a letter aimed at the LCD, and the wear on the ratchet is probably not significant compared to getting the engagement wrong.

Pottsy · 7th December 2007, 22:24

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Dimplyred · 7th December 2007, 22:25

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Originally Posted by Pottsy

I agree. Given that the handbrake is exactly the same mechanism used in other previous Hondas, you can forgive them for thinking that it would be fine.

Forgive me for asking but how do you know it is exactly the same mechanism as used in previous Hondas.

Topcat · 7th December 2007, 22:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pottsy

TC, those many people were, and still are correct. Ideally you should push the button in, pull the lever, release the button and pull the lever one more click (to ensure the ratchet has engaged properly). But that's a bit complicated for a letter aimed at the LCD, and the wear on the ratchet is probably not significant compared to getting the engagement wrong.

Exactly - they were all doing it correctly, then some cars rolled away an Honda said "not our problem you didnt apply the handbrake correctly" !!

My arguement from day one was that there were far too many incidents happening for Honda to ignore. Now they are addressing the problem they should also be looking to compensate all the people who have contacted Honda saying that there was a fault with their car causing damage.

Chiswick told me that there was no problem with mine but I knew they were wrong and I was right.

Topcat · 7th December 2007, 22:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimplyred

Forgive me for asking but how do you know it is exactly the same mechanism as used in previous Hondas.

Because he is a mole

Dimplyred · 7th December 2007, 22:30

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Originally Posted by Topcat

Because he is a mole

Oh, fair enough if he's right he's right, I was just wondering, but that'll explain it.

Pottsy · 7th December 2007, 23:13

I was told, quite a while ago (on a slightly different subject) by someone who really should know. But then I haven't seen stripped mechanisms from 2 cars with my very own eyes, so it is second hand info.

TTDegs · 7th December 2007, 23:35

just back on the issue of why Honda are using recorded delivery...

2 possible reasons spring to mind:
1) to cover their backsides, as suggested many times in here, or
2) to enable them to send out a second letter to all those owners who didn't receive the first one.

2 sides to every story

Brodick · 7th December 2007, 23:39

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Originally Posted by jazzman

I`m with you . Honda can`t win either way if you read some posts

Agreed

Dimplyred · 7th December 2007, 23:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pottsy

I was told, quite a while ago (on a slightly different subject) by someone who really should know. But then I haven't seen stripped mechanisms from 2 cars with my very own eyes, so it is second hand info.

Right, I ask as I feel, obviously, Honda did not fit a faulty handbrake mechanism assembly to the Civic on purpose, although as an new owner of a Honda I was slightly dissapointed at this safety recall, bearing in mind the reputation Honda has for reliability and build quality. I have stated a few times that I don't have a problem following Hondas instructions as described in this letter. I have always parked my car in gear so it is just advising me to do what I normally do anyway.

Knowing, as I now do this mechanism was a "tried and tested" one I feel Honda is less at fault, although obviously still responsible and accountable for it. However I doubt it will make anyone whose car has been damaged as a result of this fault feel any better.

Thanks for the information Pottsy.

Dimplyred · 7th December 2007, 23:55

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Originally Posted by TTDegs

just back on the issue of why Honda are using recorded delivery...

2 possible reasons spring to mind:
1) to cover their backsides, as suggested many times in here, or
2) to enable them to send out a second letter to all those owners who didn't receive the first one.

2 sides to every story

TT obviously it is better to be advised of the fault and know it exists. That far outweighs the cynical approach people have to receiving the letter. However we can't blame those who have had problems and been told by Honda it was their own fault for being a bit annoyed, can we???

I, as I'm sure you are and you too Broders, am pleased they have identified a problem and are going to do something about it. And more importantly they have notified me of it.

Doubtingthomas · 8th December 2007, 08:02

Thank you Pottsy, TT and all who have contributed to this thread. I feel it is perhaps now time to put a brake on it. Sorry....
No doubt a new thread linked to this will appear when Honda start the actual recall. It will be very interesting to see what Honda UK come up with and the advice/instruction with it. In the meantime I am having a little difficulty in remembering to apply the handbrake as per "the letter" - old habits die hard, but a second attempt fulfills the requirement.

TTDegs · 8th December 2007, 08:07

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Originally Posted by Dimplyred

TT obviously it is better to be advised of the fault and know it exists. That far outweighs the cynical approach people have to receiving the letter. However we can't blame those who have had problems and been told by Honda it was their own fault for being a bit annoyed, can we???

I, as I'm sure you are and you too Broders, am pleased they have identified a problem and are going to do something about it. And more importantly they have notified me of it.

Dimply, you are of course, correct - I can understand how said owners are a bit miffed

(without re-opening the argument of if they applied the brake 'correctly' or not)

But at least there shouldn't be any more of them now that Honda have sent the letter out

TTDegs · 8th December 2007, 08:08

sorry, couldn't find a better way to word that!

agreeing with you Dimply!

The 'but' wasn't a disagreement

ADENGUNNER · 8th December 2007, 08:21

Picked up my new CTR Thursday, asked the stealer a few questions about the faults on here including the handbrake. He said that Honda recommend that you do not press the handbrake button when applying the handbrake, So, a. they know about it and b.there is a fix, you just knacker up you rachet mechanism instead!!!

Hartside · 8th December 2007, 08:50

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So, a. they know about it and b.there is a fix, you just knacker up you rachet mechanism instead!!!

Yes, but remember it's going to be replaced in early 2008, so it will be ok to do it this way in the short term

TTDegs · 8th December 2007, 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADENGUNNER

Picked up my new CTR Thursday, asked the stealer a few questions about the faults on here including the handbrake. He said that Honda recommend that you do not press the handbrake button when applying the handbrake, So, a. they know about it and b.there is a fix, you just knacker up you rachet mechanism instead!!!

thinks its safe to say they definately know about it - hence all the letters that have been going out

short term fix is not to press the button

long term fix - well we don't know quite what that is yet...

Dimplyred · 8th December 2007, 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by TTDegs

sorry, couldn't find a better way to word that!

agreeing with you Dimply!

The 'but' wasn't a disagreement

LOL, Yes I know TT. I agree with you too.

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Topcat Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 11th May 2006 Location: Middlesex Posts: 2,759 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts iTrader: (0)	I have just been reading through this old thread on handbrake problems, so many reports of poor handbrake and so many people saying YOU MUST press button when applying the brake Handbrake Problem

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Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,481 Thanks: 22 Thanked 167 Times in 98 Posts iTrader: (0)	TC, those many people were, and still are correct. Ideally you should push the button in, pull the lever, release the button and pull the lever one more click (to ensure the ratchet has engaged properly). But that's a bit complicated for a letter aimed at the LCD, and the wear on the ratchet is probably not significant compared to getting the engagement wrong.

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Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,481 Thanks: 22 Thanked 167 Times in 98 Posts iTrader: (0)	I was told, quite a while ago (on a slightly different subject) by someone who really should know. But then I haven't seen stripped mechanisms from 2 cars with my very own eyes, so it is second hand info.

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	just back on the issue of why Honda are using recorded delivery... 2 possible reasons spring to mind: 1) to cover their backsides, as suggested many times in here, or 2) to enable them to send out a second letter to all those owners who didn't receive the first one. 2 sides to every story

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Doubtingthomas Honda aficionado Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 14th August 2007 Location: Chorley, Lancashire Posts: 656 Thanks: 12 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts iTrader: (0)	Thank you Pottsy, TT and all who have contributed to this thread. I feel it is perhaps now time to put a brake on it. Sorry.... No doubt a new thread linked to this will appear when Honda start the actual recall. It will be very interesting to see what Honda UK come up with and the advice/instruction with it. In the meantime I am having a little difficulty in remembering to apply the handbrake as per "the letter" - old habits die hard, but a second attempt fulfills the requirement.

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	sorry, couldn't find a better way to word that! agreeing with you Dimply! The 'but' wasn't a disagreement

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ADENGUNNER Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 28th November 2007 Location: Somerset Posts: 110 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Picked up my new CTR Thursday, asked the stealer a few questions about the faults on here including the handbrake. He said that Honda recommend that you do not press the handbrake button when applying the handbrake, So, a. they know about it and b.there is a fix, you just knacker up you rachet mechanism instead!!!