Handbrake handbrake self release (inc recall letter) - Page 46

NH Dan · 14th July 2008, 10:47

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Originally Posted by packard bell

Yes I collected my brand-new civic from my local dealer in Cannock west midlands got it home and parked it on my drive witch as a slope down to my house. I just got to the front of the car when I heard a click and my civic rolled forward and I got pinned against my garage door.

One of two things here. Was the handbrake still 'up' when you got to the car or had it dis-engaged??

Basically, if it was still 'up' then it is an issue with the discs cooling and releasing or slipping, if the handbrake has disengaged then it would be the ratchet.

geoff · 14th July 2008, 10:53

another case of not fit for the purpose never heard so many excuses in my life

geoff · 14th July 2008, 10:54

maybe dan should give all his customers a free brick

Doubtingthomas · 14th July 2008, 11:19

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Originally Posted by NH Dan

One of two things here. Was the handbrake still 'up' when you got to the car or had it dis-engaged??

if the handbrake has disengaged then it would be the ratchet.

What, on a brand new 08 Civic? I thought this was all sorted or are you aware of the ratchet failing on brand new Civics?

NH Dan · 22nd July 2008, 22:01

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Originally Posted by Doubtingthomas

What, on a brand new 08 Civic? I thought this was all sorted or are you aware of the ratchet failing on brand new Civics?

I was pointing out the two known 'faults' with the handbrake system.

1) a car that hasnt had the 'new, revised' handbrake ratchet fitted, may potentially release. When this occurs, the handle is found in the release position, i.e. down.

2) if the car is found with the handbrake still in the 'up' position then it is quite feasible that the handbrake was applied whilst the pads and discs were warm/hot. There are several manufacturers that have had occurances of this where the discs and pads have subsequently cooled, causing them to contract and the grip to be lost, hence the car slipping.

There have been several cases where someone on here has bought a new civic, assumed it to be an 08 my and therefore with the revised handbrake, to then have it fail, only to find out that their car was an 07 MY.

My initial question to which you refer was at a point where i was unaware of which model year car the thread starter had.

cnicolini · 23rd July 2008, 07:16

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Originally Posted by NH Dan

2) if the car is found with the handbrake still in the 'up' position then it is quite feasible that the handbrake was applied whilst the pads and discs were warm/hot. There are several manufacturers that have had occurances of this where the discs and pads have subsequently cooled, causing them to contract and the grip to be lost, hence the car slipping.

If this is the case then its still a design fault and totally unacceptable!
Maybe inprove the design and the qaulity of the materials used in the braking system?

Doubtingthomas · 23rd July 2008, 07:40

NH Dan

Thank you for your response. What I was seeking, was whether as a dealer, you have experienced any problems with brand new 08 model Civics. By 'problem', I specifically mean the so called revised handbrake self releasing. I think most forum members are aware of the potential 'cooling disc' syndrome.

NH Dan · 23rd July 2008, 13:37

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Originally Posted by Doubtingthomas

NH Dan

Thank you for your response. What I was seeking, was whether as a dealer, you have experienced any problems with brand new 08 model Civics. By 'problem', I specifically mean the so called revised handbrake self releasing. I think most forum members are aware of the potential 'cooling disc' syndrome.

To be straight, in 7 months i'd not witnessed/experienced the problem happening with any customers cars, whatever model year it was, pre or post refit. In answer to your question, certainly no issues so far with the revised unit.

As you say, the disc cooling issue is a seperate one altogether.

In answer to Cnicolini's comment, yes, as discussed at great depth on here, the single brake set up could be looked upon as a design issue but as I say (firmly on the fence) Honda Civics are not the only car that have experienced this (citroen/bmw also).

If i were to plant my tongue firmly in cheek, following the owners manual and parking with wheels turned/in gear would however negate 99% of these occurances.

alanwalne · 23rd July 2008, 14:04

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Originally Posted by NH Dan

To be straight, in 7 months i'd not witnessed/experienced the problem happening with any customers cars, whatever model year it was, pre or post refit. In answer to your question, certainly no issues so far with the revised unit.

As you say, the disc cooling issue is a seperate one altogether.

In answer to Cnicolini's comment, yes, as discussed at great depth on here, the single brake set up could be looked upon as a design issue but as I say (firmly on the fence) Honda Civics are not the only car that have experienced this (citroen/bmw also).

If i were to plant my tongue firmly in cheek, following the owners manual and parking with wheels turned/in gear would however negate 99% of these occurances.

Dan you are being over cautious there - parking in gear would negate 100% of occurances

NH Dan · 23rd July 2008, 15:32

Underpromise, over deliver.

DeanFYoung · 23rd July 2008, 15:41

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Originally Posted by Doubtingthomas

NH Dan

Thank you for your response. What I was seeking, was whether as a dealer, you have experienced any problems with brand new 08 model Civics. By 'problem', I specifically mean the so called revised handbrake self releasing. I think most forum members are aware of the potential 'cooling disc' syndrome.

My Golf suffered from cooling disc syndrome; thankfully my neighbour was on hand to run down the road and stop it before it did any damage! My friend had an M3 whose discs warped when he applied the handbrake to an especially hot disc and then it cooled....

alanwalne · 23rd July 2008, 15:42

Is it really that difficult to park in gear???

DeanFYoung · 23rd July 2008, 15:45

Not once its set in as habit / lesson learned the hard way

Mr JP · 23rd July 2008, 15:47

Could you remind us what gear to leave the car in when on incline/decline please?

DeanFYoung · 23rd July 2008, 15:52

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Originally Posted by Mr JP

Could you remind us what gear to leave the car in when on incline/decline please?

LOL!!

2nd (its my lucky number) - but it may not be yours

Mr JP · 23rd July 2008, 15:56

I guess what I should say is I remember learning this during my driving lessons but haven't ever done it! So facing down hill put it in 2nd and facing uphill?

DeanFYoung · 23rd July 2008, 15:59

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Originally Posted by Mr JP

I guess what I should say is I remember learning this during my driving lessons but haven't ever done it! So facing down hill put it in 2nd and facing uphill?

Oh, sorry, thought you were joking

Facing downhill - reverse
Facing upfill - any forward gear will do just fine.

Mr JP · 23rd July 2008, 16:00

thanks

Will start doing it now until I buy a proper car like a ford

Doubtingthomas · 23rd July 2008, 18:25

[quote=NH Dan;In answer to your question, certainly no issues so far with the revised unit.
[/QUOTE]

Thank you. That is the answer I was seeking.

Jack The Lad. · 23rd July 2008, 18:32

When I was at my Dealers today, the service manager told me that they hadn't had any issues with the original one.
Bet he was having a pork pie for his lunch.

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Doubtingthomas Honda aficionado Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 14th August 2007 Location: Chorley, Lancashire Posts: 621 Thanks: 8 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	NH Dan Thank you for your response. What I was seeking, was whether as a dealer, you have experienced any problems with brand new 08 model Civics. By 'problem', I specifically mean the so called revised handbrake self releasing. I think most forum members are aware of the potential 'cooling disc' syndrome.

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Mr JP Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 2nd February 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 616 Thanks: 2 Thanked 23 Times in 23 Posts	Could you remind us what gear to leave the car in when on incline/decline please?

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Mr JP Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 2nd February 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 616 Thanks: 2 Thanked 23 Times in 23 Posts	I guess what I should say is I remember learning this during my driving lessons but haven't ever done it! So facing down hill put it in 2nd and facing uphill?

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Mr JP Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 2nd February 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 616 Thanks: 2 Thanked 23 Times in 23 Posts	thanks Will start doing it now until I buy a proper car like a ford

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Doubtingthomas Honda aficionado Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 14th August 2007 Location: Chorley, Lancashire Posts: 621 Thanks: 8 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	[quote=NH Dan;In answer to your question, certainly no issues so far with the revised unit. [/QUOTE] Thank you. That is the answer I was seeking.

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Jack The Lad. Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 1,552 Thanks: 1 Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts	When I was at my Dealers today, the service manager told me that they hadn't had any issues with the original one. Bet he was having a pork pie for his lunch.