Delivery time So, how long did your Civic take to build

pace960 · 2nd March 2008, 20:08

Here is a couple of videos showing the production process of the Civic

Go to YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. and type into the video search

Honda Civic UK (part1)

Honda Civic UK (part2)

So now you know where all the rattles come from

St Thomas · 2nd March 2008, 20:17

Could get neither to run for AGES.... (flat battery?).
Proves a lot...

FWH · 2nd March 2008, 20:18

Worked fine for me

St Thomas · 2nd March 2008, 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by FWH

Worked fine for me

Perhaps so, but not for me... sorry!

Coldwarkid · 2nd March 2008, 20:37

Cool.

simon1 · 2nd March 2008, 21:07

A new car every 80secs eh? Perhaps if they took 120 secs some of the bugs might not be with the car.

skam · 3rd March 2008, 08:15

In that video you can see that they do some tests to inspect the suspension on a special terrain outside of the factory. When they do that -even on a new car- they don't hear all this noise coming out of it? They still say that it is ok?
I think that this video proves once again that honda knew from the beginning about the suspension problems the car has and they did nothing to solve it. They only cared to start production as fast as they could.

In this video we can also see that the painting of the vehicle is done by robots which leads us to the conclusion that the poor paint is something honda also knows and can be fixed easily. They also do nothing about it.

We must admit though that the quality standards shown on this video are high but now we know that some of the bugs should be fixed from the beginning.

TTDegs · 3rd March 2008, 09:14

I can't, in all honesty, completly agree with you there Skam - sorry!

My Civic doesn't clonk, and has never been back in for suspension mods (think they might have turned the units over at the first service, but not sure) - although I certainly agree that many have.

Honda may, or may not, have known about this issue from the start - but it's all down to economy.

Same with the paint - just becuase robots are doing the painting, doesn't mean that Honda know about the issue.

As to fixing all the problems - well we already know that '07 cars have less issues than '06. The fuel filler cap is one that immediately springs (sorry

) to mind.

But back to economy:
If Honda were to produce a Civic with
suspension that didn't clonk for anyone
more sound proofing in the doors
scratch resistant dash
etc
etc
etc

how much more would it cost to produce with these higher quality bits, and how much more would it then cost for us to buy?

Whilst many owners on here might well have been happy to pay the extra, Honda have to produce cars in the same price brackets as their competitors.

Given that someone, somewhere, ticked boxes that said "Civic must have this, this and this", that then left a budget to pay for everything else.

As with my budget, and pretty much everyone else's budget, you can only spend so much before you go overdrawn - which would be the equivalent of Honda selling a Civic at a price which doesn't make it economically viable to do so.

phew - hope that made at least some sense!

skam · 3rd March 2008, 11:42

TTDegs...you say that it is all down to economy.You may be right but... I would like to ask you something... How much more would Honda charge us in order to have better suspension and paint? 500€;1000€; Why don't they make an option with these as extra? I may be willing to pay...
They prefer to spent more money in order to change the suspension to everyone that complaints and even more in research to solve the bugs than fix them in the first place. If they did so and fix that on the beginning of the production the cost of this bug fix would be smaller than you think. They should also consider the bad reputation coming out of this decision that will cost more in future buyers. A honda car is supposed to be trouble free and is well known for that all these years. This is the first Honda model with such disadvantages although these are still less than the problems that the european manufactures cars.
I think that the problem started wheb they decided to start production as soon as they could and they made mistakes in their rush. I hope that these problems will be solved in the facelift version and that we will gain some benefits too.

TTDegs · 3rd March 2008, 13:22

Hi Skam

The 'problem' for Honda is that if they increase the base price of the Civic by (say £1000), they are moving it into a price bracket whereby instead of competing against a different band of cars, and in a different market sector.

As to the cost of fixing the suspension - how many owners have actually complained do you think?
1% - 10% - 30%?

The conversation could have gone something like this...
Tech guy (TG) "Boss, we have a problem with the new Civic"
Boss "What do you mean 'a problem'! We're due to launch it next week! AND those other manufacturers have done spy shots and are due to launch with some of our ideas."
TG "It's the suspension - we've found that some go 'clonk'"
Boss "Damn. Best call the PR companies and tell them not to broadcast the adverts. And cancel the launch party. And all those mags waiting to do a write up. Damn Damn. What floor are we on? and do the windows open?"
TG "Or we could just launch anyway, and fix the ones who complain about it?"
Boss "take a pay rise

"

maybe

TTDegs · 3rd March 2008, 13:25

Of course, they possible didn't consider the popularity that CivInfo would gain, or customers turning up at dealerships with problems...

dlr "Clonking suspension? First time I've heard of that! You must have hit a big pothole or something"
customer (clutching several pages of threads / posts from Civinfo) "Oh. Really?"

skam · 3rd March 2008, 14:53

That was a cool scenario TTDegs!

. And it may not be science fiction...
You can still change occupation!

I totally agree with your last post. Yes, Civinfo is a powerful tool for us members all over Europe...

I still remember how suprised the dealer was when i gave him the bulletin for the rear suspension...
He told me: "where did you find that, that's for the 2006 model..."
I answered: " Do you want me to find an updated version?...i can do it!

"
He still doesn't know where i find all this information!

TTDegs · 3rd March 2008, 17:09

LOL - very sneaky

I like it!

cnicolini · 5th March 2008, 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by skam

In this video we can also see that the painting of the vehicle is done by robots which leads us to the conclusion that the poor paint is something honda also knows and can be fixed easily. They also do nothing about it.

I bet that they dont deal with every issue, I found missing screws and panels and parts not fitted correctly. They should may be use robots 100% of the time, it may be built better.

Thanks for the video clip information, I always wanted to know how they did it!

As for the paint, its water based thats why the quality is poor. This is down to being environmently friendly and not using lead any more! This is why it chips easier!

Opelguy · 5th March 2008, 13:03

The narrator made me wonder, whats up with the "associates"? Am I misinterpreting the word or does this mean the people in Swindon are not employees but outsourced personel of 3rd party companies?

Quote:

Originally Posted by simon1

A new car every 80secs eh? Perhaps if they took 120 secs some of the bugs might not be with the car.

To put this in perspective, Hyundais main plant in Ulsan churns out one car every 30 seconds (from 2 production lines, cycle time 60s). At work (not the company in my nick

) we have a cycle time of 4,6 minutes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by skam

In that video you can see that they do some tests to inspect the suspension on a special terrain outside of the factory. When they do that -even on a new car- they don't hear all this noise coming out of it? They still say that it is ok?
I think that this video proves once again that honda knew from the beginning about the suspension problems the car has and they did nothing to solve it. They only cared to start production as fast as they could.

If enough cars exhibit the same behaviour it's easy to turn a problem into a characteristic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cnicolini

I bet that they dont deal with every issue, I found missing screws and panels and parts not fitted correctly. They should may be use robots 100% of the time, it may be built better.

That would be impossible, both from a technical and an economical view.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cnicolini

As for the paint, its water based thats why the quality is poor. This is down to being environmently friendly and not using lead any more! This is why it chips easier!

Modern water based paint is just as good as solvent based paint, it's the thickness that matters. Honda and other japanese manufacturers, out of tradition, do not apply "enough".

Charles_Harding · 5th March 2008, 14:36

So that's how they do it.

I thought that they came out of the factory ready made!

"I have a brain like Einstiens.
Dead for 50 years!"

StuMcBill · 5th March 2008, 15:59

I found that vids pretty interesting, if a bit cheezy and patronising! Ha Ha!

Variantealta · 5th March 2008, 16:02

Do you reckon the narrator speaks like that at home??

"My dearest abode associate, how was your 10 hours of facilitated time dedicated to the purpose of upkeep of the structure in which we exist..."

FWH · 5th March 2008, 18:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Opelguy

The narrator made me wonder, whats up with the "associates"? Am I misinterpreting the word or does this mean the people in Swindon are not employees but outsourced personel of 3rd party companies?

"Associate" is a term most often used in the US and it means "employee".

DeanFYoung · 5th March 2008, 19:31

I wonder if the random engines subjected to testing are still put in to a car and sent out??

2nd March 2008, 20:08	#1 (permalink)
pace960 Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 14th January 2008 Location: Birmingham UK Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So, how long did your Civic take to build Here is a couple of videos showing the production process of the Civic Go to YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. and type into the video search Honda Civic UK (part1) Honda Civic UK (part2) So now you know where all the rattles come from Last edited by FWH; 2nd March 2008 at 20:12. Reason: fixed the link

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skam Greek Subtopic Moderator Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 7th October 2006 Location: ATHENS, HELLAS Posts: 610 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	That was a cool scenario TTDegs!. And it may not be science fiction... You can still change occupation! I totally agree with your last post. Yes, Civinfo is a powerful tool for us members all over Europe... I still remember how suprised the dealer was when i gave him the bulletin for the rear suspension... He told me: "where did you find that, that's for the 2006 model..." I answered: " Do you want me to find an updated version?...i can do it!" He still doesn't know where i find all this information!

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St Thomas Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 27th October 2006 Location: UK Posts: 502 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Could get neither to run for AGES.... (flat battery?). Proves a lot...

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FWH Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 3rd June 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 4,863 Thanks: 3 Thanked 27 Times in 24 Posts	Worked fine for me

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Coldwarkid Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 5th February 2008 Location: A van down by the river Posts: 160 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Cool.

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simon1 Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 10th December 2007 Location: UK Posts: 224 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	A new car every 80secs eh? Perhaps if they took 120 secs some of the bugs might not be with the car.

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skam Greek Subtopic Moderator Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 7th October 2006 Location: ATHENS, HELLAS Posts: 610 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	In that video you can see that they do some tests to inspect the suspension on a special terrain outside of the factory. When they do that -even on a new car- they don't hear all this noise coming out of it? They still say that it is ok? I think that this video proves once again that honda knew from the beginning about the suspension problems the car has and they did nothing to solve it. They only cared to start production as fast as they could. In this video we can also see that the painting of the vehicle is done by robots which leads us to the conclusion that the poor paint is something honda also knows and can be fixed easily. They also do nothing about it. We must admit though that the quality standards shown on this video are high but now we know that some of the bugs should be fixed from the beginning.

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I can't, in all honesty, completly agree with you there Skam - sorry! My Civic doesn't clonk, and has never been back in for suspension mods (think they might have turned the units over at the first service, but not sure) - although I certainly agree that many have. Honda may, or may not, have known about this issue from the start - but it's all down to economy. Same with the paint - just becuase robots are doing the painting, doesn't mean that Honda know about the issue. As to fixing all the problems - well we already know that '07 cars have less issues than '06. The fuel filler cap is one that immediately springs (sorry ) to mind. But back to economy: If Honda were to produce a Civic with suspension that didn't clonk for anyone more sound proofing in the doors scratch resistant dash etc etc etc how much more would it cost to produce with these higher quality bits, and how much more would it then cost for us to buy? Whilst many owners on here might well have been happy to pay the extra, Honda have to produce cars in the same price brackets as their competitors. Given that someone, somewhere, ticked boxes that said "Civic must have this, this and this", that then left a budget to pay for everything else. As with my budget, and pretty much everyone else's budget, you can only spend so much before you go overdrawn - which would be the equivalent of Honda selling a Civic at a price which doesn't make it economically viable to do so. phew - hope that made at least some sense!

3rd March 2008, 11:42	#9 (permalink)
skam Greek Subtopic Moderator Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 7th October 2006 Location: ATHENS, HELLAS Posts: 610 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	TTDegs...you say that it is all down to economy.You may be right but... I would like to ask you something... How much more would Honda charge us in order to have better suspension and paint? 500€;1000€; Why don't they make an option with these as extra? I may be willing to pay... They prefer to spent more money in order to change the suspension to everyone that complaints and even more in research to solve the bugs than fix them in the first place. If they did so and fix that on the beginning of the production the cost of this bug fix would be smaller than you think. They should also consider the bad reputation coming out of this decision that will cost more in future buyers. A honda car is supposed to be trouble free and is well known for that all these years. This is the first Honda model with such disadvantages although these are still less than the problems that the european manufactures cars. I think that the problem started wheb they decided to start production as soon as they could and they made mistakes in their rush. I hope that these problems will be solved in the facelift version and that we will gain some benefits too.

3rd March 2008, 13:22	#10 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Skam The 'problem' for Honda is that if they increase the base price of the Civic by (say £1000), they are moving it into a price bracket whereby instead of competing against a different band of cars, and in a different market sector. As to the cost of fixing the suspension - how many owners have actually complained do you think? 1% - 10% - 30%? The conversation could have gone something like this... Tech guy (TG) "Boss, we have a problem with the new Civic" Boss "What do you mean 'a problem'! We're due to launch it next week! AND those other manufacturers have done spy shots and are due to launch with some of our ideas." TG "It's the suspension - we've found that some go 'clonk'" Boss "Damn. Best call the PR companies and tell them not to broadcast the adverts. And cancel the launch party. And all those mags waiting to do a write up. Damn Damn. What floor are we on? and do the windows open?" TG "Or we could just launch anyway, and fix the ones who complain about it?" Boss "take a pay rise " maybe

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Of course, they possible didn't consider the popularity that CivInfo would gain, or customers turning up at dealerships with problems... dlr "Clonking suspension? First time I've heard of that! You must have hit a big pothole or something" customer (clutching several pages of threads / posts from Civinfo) "Oh. Really?"

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	LOL - very sneaky I like it!

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Charles_Harding Civinfo guru Join Date: 14th August 2006 Location: S.E. London Posts: 2,834 Thanks: 40 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	So that's how they do it. I thought that they came out of the factory ready made! *"I have a brain like Einstiens.* *Dead for 50 years!"*

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StuMcBill Dandy Don Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 2nd January 2008 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Posts: 140 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I found that vids pretty interesting, if a bit cheezy and patronising! Ha Ha!

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Variantealta Wheelnut Join Date: 14th February 2008 Location: Wales Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Do you reckon the narrator speaks like that at home?? "My dearest abode associate, how was your 10 hours of facilitated time dedicated to the purpose of upkeep of the structure in which we exist..."

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DeanFYoung Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 19th June 2007 Location: Southampton Posts: 509 Thanks: 7 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I wonder if the random engines subjected to testing are still put in to a car and sent out??