Dealers Dealer problems - Page 2

FWH · 16th March 2008, 17:03

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Originally Posted by simon1

National Insurance

I presume that is a percentage tax on top of the salary that the employer has to pay the government?

simon1 · 16th March 2008, 17:26

Sorry, just realised where you are writing from. Yes, it is a national contribution that all employers must pay that goes towards an employee's pension, health care, etc. It's based on a percentage of the employee's wage.

FWH · 16th March 2008, 17:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by simon1

Sorry, just realised where you are writing from. Yes, it is a national contribution that all employers must pay that goes towards an employee's pension, health care, etc. It's based on a percentage of the employee's wage.

No problem.
We have that too, just have a different name for it.

simon1 · 16th March 2008, 17:36

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Originally Posted by NH Dan

Do you know how much it costs a business to send a technicial on a training course these days?? Thought not.

Again, whilst it is a lot of money, I can assure you that for a London dealership £100 per hour inc vat is not a high rate.

No I obviously don't know as I am not in the business of selling cars. I assume it is a fair whack though. However in your sums you ignored the other avenues of profit I mentioned earlier. I doubt whether they would have the same markup that the labour charges offer, but they all still contribute to the profit of a dealership.

Plus, owners of new vehicles are told that unless they service their cars with authorised dealers, they may void their warranty. Now, if I remember correctly, has that now been changed due to legislation? But I'll bet that almost all owners still feel tied to their mainline dealers at their higher charges to protect their warranty instead of being able to use a fully competent local mechanic who charges £60/hr for the same job. After all it would be easy for Honda or any other car maker to refuse a warranty claim because a previous job was not carried out by one of their mechanics.

robbo51 · 16th March 2008, 18:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by simon1

No I obviously don't know as I am not in the business of selling cars. I assume it is a fair whack though. However in your sums you ignored the other avenues of profit I mentioned earlier. I doubt whether they would have the same markup that the labour charges offer, but they all still contribute to the profit of a dealership.

Plus, owners of new vehicles are told that unless they service their cars with authorised dealers, they may void their warranty. Now, if I remember correctly, has that now been changed due to legislation? But I'll bet that almost all owners still feel tied to their mainline dealers at their higher charges to protect their warranty instead of being able to use a fully competent local mechanic who charges £60/hr for the same job. After all it would be easy for Honda or any other car maker to refuse a warranty claim because a previous job was not carried out by one of their mechanics.

Manufacturers/Dealers are not allowed to refuse warranty work if the car has been serviced by non Honda/Dealer mechanics as long as the correct parts have been used.
Bottom line is..Get an independent garage to service it..MUCH CHEAPER!!

Jack The Lad. · 16th March 2008, 19:36

Yes, I believe that being tied to main dealerships for servicing, was given the elbow -
2 or 3 years ago, here in the UK.
My daughter takes her Freelander to a Landrover Specialist, who really know the cars inside out, but when something goes wrong which is covered under warranty, its the main dealer she takes it back to.

TTDegs · 17th March 2008, 10:58

one other minor cost to cost into the mix - stocking costs...

Popped into my local Honda dlr on the weeked.

Inside, he has:
2 Civic Type S
FRV
2 CRVs

Outside, he has:
S2000
Civ Type R
Accord

He also has about 10 of our Civics for sale second hand - I didn't even begin to count the number of s/hand other models.

So purely in brand new cars, he has about £150,000 worth of stock
And probably about twice that in used
so say £500,000 in total

Someone, somewhere had to pay for them - and unless said someone had half a million pounds burning a hole in their pocket, then someone must have borrowed it from someone else.
And you can bet it wasn't on 0% APR...

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simon1 Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 10th December 2007 Location: UK Posts: 361 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts iTrader: (0)	Sorry, just realised where you are writing from. Yes, it is a national contribution that all employers must pay that goes towards an employee's pension, health care, etc. It's based on a percentage of the employee's wage.

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Jack The Lad. Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 1,906 Thanks: 8 Thanked 23 Times in 23 Posts iTrader: (0)	Yes, I believe that being tied to main dealerships for servicing, was given the elbow - 2 or 3 years ago, here in the UK. My daughter takes her Freelander to a Landrover Specialist, who really know the cars inside out, but when something goes wrong which is covered under warranty, its the main dealer she takes it back to.

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,634 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	one other minor cost to cost into the mix - stocking costs... Popped into my local Honda dlr on the weeked. Inside, he has: 2 Civic Type S FRV 2 CRVs Outside, he has: S2000 Civ Type R Accord He also has about 10 of our Civics for sale second hand - I didn't even begin to count the number of s/hand other models. So purely in brand new cars, he has about £150,000 worth of stock And probably about twice that in used so say £500,000 in total Someone, somewhere had to pay for them - and unless said someone had half a million pounds burning a hole in their pocket, then someone must have borrowed it from someone else. And you can bet it wasn't on 0% APR...