[Other] I am concerned!!!

[Palindrome]

Originally Posted by angie4m

Position 2. I don't usually do that as I remember one of my Dad's mates leaving the keys in position 2 in a BMW while he washed his car and it burnt the transponder out resulting in having to get a new key.

Hi Angie,
Re your comment about BMW immobiliser I'm a former BMW technician and your correct if you leave the ignition on and the battery completly discharges it wipes the transponder chip in the key.

Also with BMW and most modern cars with airbags, the systems are constantly monitoring battery voltage and if the voltage nears a critical level, whilst there is still some power it will take action and shut down the systems and activate the warning light.
Once the power drops this can cause a plethora (oh who's swallowed a dictionary) of weird electrical faults.

If it were my car I wouldn't worry too much and see how it goes as I suspect the system just got a little worried about how quickly the battery was draining with Ignition and h/lights being on for I think you said half an hour particually if you have HID's.

Cheers
Chris............

[HappyMan]

Originally Posted by Palindrome

Hi Angie,
Re your comment about BMW immobiliser I'm a former BMW technician and your correct if you leave the ignition on and the battery completly discharges it wipes the transponder chip in the key.

Also with BMW and most modern cars with airbags, the systems are constantly monitoring battery voltage and if the voltage nears a critical level, whilst there is still some power it will take action and shut down the systems and activate the warning light.
Once the power drops this can cause a plethora (oh who's swallowed a dictionary) of weird electrical faults.

If it were my car I wouldn't worry too much and see how it goes as I suspect the system just got a little worried about how quickly the battery was draining with Ignition and h/lights being on for I think you said half an hour particually if you have HID's.

Cheers
Chris............

Thanks for the clarification and explanation, Chris

[angie4m]

Originally Posted by Jack The Lad.

If it did happen at 70mph Angie, with all that going on at once, it could put you off your stroke.
Tis a bit worrying, -- too many gismo's on modern cars.

Put me off my stroke - please tell me more lol!!!

Originally Posted by speedyscoob

Hi angie, i know for a fact the dealers are having loads of electrical problems with the ctr.
When you go in to the dealer with the eml on they plug the hds tester in to it and read off codes.
Every code has a snap shot of when it happened so they can only really go on what the computer tells them.
I wouldn't worry too much.

Very good! So your saying I shouldn't be worried that a fault that occured at 0 mph and 0 rpm has given a reading of 93 mph and 9600 rpm! That is something to be worried about, because if my engine fails they would then turn round and say well the computer says this when the bloody car wasn't moving!!! I can only but imagine how difficult it would be to prove to Honda as my dealer wouldn't let me phone the person who was with me who would have confirmed where we were, what the weather was like and the fact we had been sat parked up for that length of time.

Originally Posted by Vet_2010

Maybe this is their new way to dispute warranty claims... have the electronics give out dodgy readings and then blame the driver!

The recording the speed is interesting, do you reckon the authorities could access that in the case of an accident and use it against the driver?

I would think they could access it, but as i've said above Honda could then screw us all if we ever have an engine failure as they are giving wrong readings! To say it could be bad data from a bad connection will be no go if the engine fails for some reason

[TTDegs]

I really wouldn't worry tooo much Angie

If the engine were to blow itself up at any stage (he said, grabbing the wooden table top), it would be immediately apparent if you were doing 90+ mph or 30 or 0 - by the state of the rest of the car.

If it only recorded revs, then Honda could say that you were sitting in Neutral, went for a racing start at the lights and forgot to put it in gear (and somehow bypassed the limiter).

If however, you really were to downshift it into what 2nd / 3rd? at 93mph to hit those revs, then the tyres would have bald spots and you would still be picking grass out of the door panels...

[angie4m]

Originally Posted by TTDegs

I really wouldn't worry tooo much Angie

If the engine were to blow itself up at any stage (he said, grabbing the wooden table top), it would be immediately apparent if you were doing 90+ mph or 30 or 0 - by the state of the rest of the car.

If it only recorded revs, then Honda could say that you were sitting in Neutral, went for a racing start at the lights and forgot to put it in gear (and somehow bypassed the limiter).

If however, you really were to downshift it into what 2nd / 3rd? at 93mph to hit those revs, then the tyres would have bald spots and you would still be picking grass out of the door panels...

Oh TT, your so right

[Unknownsoldier]

Even so, it's a bit dodgy for a 20k car to have such a weird fault, I mena, if it's reading 90+ mph at standstill, then what else is it misreading, rev's, distance temp' etc.?????????

Tom

[angie4m]

Originally Posted by Unknownsoldier

Even so, it's a bit dodgy for a 20k car to have such a weird fault, I mena, if it's reading 90+ mph at standstill, then what else is it misreading, rev's, distance temp' etc.?????????

Tom

Indeed.....and the fact that they seem to not believe you when you tell them excatly how it happened is another issue. Like TT said if I had been doing what they were making out (which I wasn't) then there would have maybe been a bit of evidence.

I still fail to see how a CTR which we all know isn't the most fuel efficent car in the world can get 360 miles from a tank and they still say I was doing in excess of the Speed limit. Especailly when the fault had occured after I had been in the week before and hadn't even put a 100 miles on the clock since then! And they would see that cause they checked the reading on the dash

[TTDegs]

In the age of information, it's often easier to take what the computer says at face value, despite physical (lack of) evidence to the contrary

"sorry, computer says no"...


Obviously, in a lot of cases, the computer is right - but that does mean that people then expect them to be right all the time.
And when they are not, it can be difficult to convince people that sometimes the computer doesn't know best...

Common sense - out of the window and long gone

[angie4m]

At least the diagnostics gets a reading at Honda. BMW's system was pants! My car had been on theirs all day and it hadn't picked up that it was saying it had no fuel until it was pointed out to them, then it said it had done it 57 times! But Diagnostics is only good if the guys know what they are looking for.

As I have mentioned apart from the fact they had taken the millage down the week before and the fault occured in the same week! I also had a witness that was crapping himself thinking the airbag was about to explode in their face (drama queen I know) and when I said they could confirm my story they said their was no need, but still made me feel like I was a liar. Think he thought he may 'trip' me up, but I was telling the truth so he kept getting the same story over and over

[cnicolini]

I recall something about you should never leave the car with its ignition on for long periods of time as it burns the coil, etc. I also read something in the manual, that you should nt leave the car idling with your lights on for long periods of time either as this can drain the battery. Also if you are going away and not starting the car for more than 5 days then you should turn the Auto lights and wipers to the off position as this will drain your battery, this sounds crazy but its true!

[AndyC]

It shouldn't matter to them whether or not you were doing 96mph anyway - the car can go over 140 after all. As for 9600rpm - does the rev limiter not do what it says and limit the revs even if you miss a gear? Is that not why we have such electronic trickery in the first place?

[cnicolini]

Originally Posted by AndyC

It shouldn't matter to them whether or not you were doing 96mph anyway - the car can go over 140 after all. As for 9600rpm - does the rev limiter not do what it says and limit the revs even if you miss a gear? Is that not why we have such electronic trickery in the first place?

True, the mechanic is talking out of his rear end! LOL If you could get the engine to as they say 9,600rpm then thats another fault with the car, the rev limiter is nt working! I'm sorry to say that maybe because you are a woman they may expect you to believe anything.

[NH Dan]

Originally Posted by cnicolini

I recall something about you should never leave the car with its ignition on for long periods of time as it burns the coil, etc. I also read something in the manual, that you should nt leave the car idling with your lights on for long periods of time either as this can drain the battery. Also if you are going away and not starting the car for more than 5 days then you should turn the Auto lights and wipers to the off position as this will drain your battery, this sounds crazy but its true!

Funnily enough, i've always done the reverse. if ever i have a car with a flat battery, I leave it running with the lights on to encourage draw through the electrical systems and get it charging properly. Always works for me.

[cnicolini]

Originally Posted by NH Dan

Funnily enough, i've always done the reverse. if ever i have a car with a flat battery, I leave it running with the lights on to encourage draw through the electrical systems and get it charging properly. Always works for me.

I'm not mechanic but I also thought that you need to drive the car for at least 10-15 minutes for it to start adding charge to the battery! You dont want to drain the system by having all your electrical devices on, it adds more strain on the alternater!

[NEEMSTAR]

Originally Posted by cnicolini

True, the mechanic is talking out of his rear end! LOL If you could get the engine to as they say 9,600rpm then thats another fault with the car, the rev limiter is nt working! I'm sorry to say that maybe because you are a woman they may expect you to believe anything.

unfortunately you can
if your in 6th and shift down to 3rd instead of 5th by mistake at the wrong speed, then this would cause the engine to over rev, pretty much f'ing your engine up

[TTDegs]

as above

The limiter is there to stop the fuel from spinning the engine too fast.
If you down change to second at 96mph, then the wheels are spinning the engine, and no amount of electrical dohickery can stop that

although that obviously wasn't the case for Angie (just to clarify )

[TTDegs]

Edit to above:

obviously it would be possible to have electrical dohickery to prevent it - computer controlled clutch which disengages in that situation for example.
But in general run of the mill cars, we don't get that sort of thing

[civicfan]

Originally Posted by TTDegs

...In the age of information, it's often easier to take what the computer says at face value, despite physical (lack of) evidence to the contrary...
Common sense - out of the window and long gone

Exactly A computer is just as smart as the software running on it, and the software is as smart as the guys who have written it, which can mean it's not one bit smart

[AndyC]

I didnt think it would be possible to get into say 2nd or 3rd gear if you were over a speed that would allow it to engage if you know what I mean.

I know there have been a few times I have slotted home fourth when it wouldnt go into 3rd, and equally a few times it has gone into third but come close to the rev limiter, maybe even bounced the limiter. Though then again, maybe if I was completely daft (or a joyrider!) and shoved it regardless, it would go in and I'd see pistons pop through my bonnet

[FWH]

Originally Posted by AndyC

I didnt think it would be possible to get into say 2nd or 3rd gear if you were over a speed that would allow it to engage if you know what I mean.

It is possible.

There is nothing in the gearbox that prevents you from selecting a too low gear.

Although, this is not a bad idea...rather than an electric clutch to "save" you if you select the wrong gear, have an electrically controlled "gate" that mechanically will shut off gears you should not be selecting...