[Engine] diesel vs petrol Type S

[Chris_J]

Originally Posted by Chris-B

yes, but the same amount of diesel will get you further. Also, are you really going to be bothered about an extra £2 to fill the tank when one is obviously well off enough to own and run a car in the first place?

The point I was making is there is nothing in it filling the tank, not a gripe over £2! Well £4 depending on the real mpg figures you could be getting £10 worth more of miles out of the diesel.

The same amount of diesel will get me further, but the petrol and diesel equivalent have about a £2k purchase difference. Now take into account the servicing costs, again the diesel costs more but how much more I don't know.

I must admit though, after driving the diesel, I really think the petrol will feel quite flat.

I'm going to get Zoe to hold out for a diesel at the mo, but she does have the right spec petrol with leather.

[Chris-B]

Originally Posted by Chris_J

The point I was making is there is nothing in it filling the tank, not a gripe over £2! Well £4 depending on the real mpg figures you could be getting £10 worth more of miles out of the diesel.

The same amount of diesel will get me further, but the petrol and diesel equivalent have about a £2k purchase difference. Now take into account the servicing costs, again the diesel costs more but how much more I don't know.

I must admit though, after driving the diesel, I really think the petrol will feel quite flat.

I'm going to get Zoe to hold out for a diesel at the mo, but she does have the right spec petrol with leather.

ahh yes, after reading it again I see what you were getting at, my bad.

the real deal sealer for me is actually going to be the initial purchase price, closely followed by running costs (inc tax and ins).

[Chris_J]

There really is nothing in the Tax and Insurance, well at least for me. It was £30 more to insure the diesel but £40 more to tax the petrol.

If it was purely then down to the mpg costs, I'd go diesel all the way. The turbo sound and torque shove are addictive

[Courant]

I worked out the total cost of ownership for me (buying secondhand, doing 25,000m a year) to be around 30p a mile for the diesel, 32p for the petrol (including everything: fuel, depreciation, interest, servicing, etc.). That works out to about a grand difference over two years. Not something to be sniffed at!

Courant

[Chris-B]

I'll be doing no where near as many miles as that, so it wouldn't be as much for me. I guess after all the comments on this thread, there's no real difference with regards to running costs. I guess it's all about the initial purchase price and how they feel when I take them for a test drive.

Cheers peeps

[sambuca2907]

It's driving preferance really... some people like the sporty feel of the petrol and being able to rev high - some people like the torque and the pull of the turbo diesel.

And... the diesel IS faster! And most likely (As with most diesels), the 0-60 time is quite "conservative" and usually faster...

[J. Derek Riddell]

Mmmm ... I bought the 1.8 Petrol Executive (Norwegian) Model ...

Part of the seduction \ consummation was the "Honda Howl" ! ...

I did try a 2.2 Diesel Sport as well, but there was no 'passion' there ...

And that from someone who has driven (Turbo) Diesels a lot ...

The 1.8 EX is much quicker in Town and at lowish (i.e. - Norwegian) speeds ...

Financially, the Petrol seems best for lower mileage and Diesel for higher ...

The equation differs from country to country (and when taxes are changed) ...

Personally, smelly \ oily fuel and higher purchase price said "no Diesel" for me ! ...

[sallytraffic]

Originally Posted by robbo51

I have driven a petrol and found it to be lacking...it felt flat in comparison.
The only way I could get it to go was to thrash it to death

What ??? !!!!!


AAAAARGGGGGHHHHHH !!!!

(reports of its demise are premature, thankfully, although the mpg reading DID drop from 50 to 39 in about 10 mins)

[sambuca2907]

Originally Posted by robbo51

More responsive??
Have you driven a diesel?
Peak torque is 2000 rpm..so how can petrol be more responsive?
I have driven a petrol and found it to be lacking...it felt flat in comparison.
The only way I could get it to go was to thrash it to death and even then it felt slower..
The diesel is smooth, quiet and pulls well in all gears.

The Honda 2.2 pulls like a train when the turbo kicks in! (1800-3500 revs)

And yes - I drove the 1.8 also as a courtsey car when mine was in the dealers once... and it was horrible - I just kept waiting for something to kick in! lol

[Chris_J]

I was certainly most impressed with the 2.2. I'm going to test again on Monday, so I might try and blag a drive of the petrol too.

[Foggy69]

Originally Posted by sambuca2907

The Honda 2.2 pulls like a train when the turbo kicks in! (1800-3500 revs)

It is very very very slow then, if it is like any train I drive

So the diesel engine has just 1700rpm of usable power in each gear, whilst the petrol engine has over 4000rpm of usable power to take advantage of

[cb550]

Originally Posted by sambuca2907

It's driving preferance really... some people like the sporty feel of the petrol and being able to rev high - some people like the torque and the pull of the turbo diesel.

And... the diesel IS faster! And most likely (As with most diesels), the 0-60 time is quite "conservative" and usually faster...

I followed a Civic(1.8 as there was no cdti on the back?) along an A road when we caught up with a car doing probably 50-60 mph.The Civic went for it,presumably flat out,and I followed,half expecting to take him as well.Thing is,I did'nt make a yard on him and there was certainly no more to come from my type S diesel.Was a little surprised really.

[Unknownsoldier]

You will be, people go on about the petrol being flat or gutless, not true, if you drive it properly, it's more responsive and far better, tbh, on a straight it'll probably lose to the diesel (by maybe a few feet), but round bends it's got no chance if the petrol is being driven properly.

Tom

[Wander]

It was a no-brainer for me; my company has a strict diesels-only carplan.

I did drive both of them though, and I must say that I personally like the diesel more. It's just quieter, easier to drive and more economical (diesel is 20 cts/liter cheaper over here) I don't really care about the economical bit, because my boss pays the bill, but I do really like being able to drive 800km + on a tank full.

Sure you might be able to get around corners a bit faster in a petrol if you drive it "just right" but I don't want to do that, I just want a car that is fast to overtake and quiet on the motorway and that would be the diesel Civic

[Fb77]

Having gone from the old 2.0 petrol Type S to a new 2.2 diesel Type S, I can say for sure that I'd never go back.

I just find that I have the power available when I need it, as opposed to having to rev hard to get the same.

Also, I've had my diesel tuned (by Celtic Tuning) and now it absolutely flies (192 bhp, 320 lb/ft).

Plus, my grey haired, slipper and pipe wearing alter ego loves the economy!

[Moose]

Originally Posted by Fb77

Having gone from the old 2.0 petrol Type S to a new 2.2 diesel Type S, I can say for sure that I'd never go back.

I just find that I have the power available when I need it, as opposed to having to rev hard to get the same.

Also, I've had my diesel tuned (by Celtic Tuning) and now it absolutely flies (192 bhp, 320 lb/ft).

Plus, my grey haired, slipper and pipe wearing alter ego loves the economy!

how much was the tuning? if you don't mind me asking. and what about the fuel economy now you've had it done?

[Chris-B]

i think fuel economy is the same when NOT driven like a loon. no offence to those who've had the map, I'll probably get it done too.

[Woette]

the petrol is not flat, its smooth, lol

comparing a 1.8 atmosferique engine against a 2.2 turbo (diesel) engine just doenst feel rigt to me. The diesel should be faster with its extra engine capacity.

[Fb77]

My remap was £337.50. It would normally have been £375, but I got a 10% group discount (two remaps at the same time - my mate had his Golf done).

This is my first full tank of fuel, but I'm looking at almost the same, or maybe slightly better, economy than I was getting before.


As for the comparisons between petrol and diesel, as mentioned above, it's really not fair as the engines are so different. I'm a D man now, and I won't go back...

[GHGH]

Originally Posted by cb550

I followed a Civic(1.8 as there was no cdti on the back?) along an A road when we caught up with a car doing probably 50-60 mph.The Civic went for it,presumably flat out,and I followed,half expecting to take him as well.Thing is,I did'nt make a yard on him and there was certainly no more to come from my type S diesel.Was a little surprised really.

3rd is ideal for situations like this. You have to shift down anyway to get her moving, so why not 3 steps when you're at it. Nice sound too .