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GHGH · 27th May 2008, 11:53

Maybe the difference between promised and real MPG is slightly smaller with the petrol

but very few reach the MPG they expect.

philiphenderson · 27th May 2008, 13:06

The only true way to know how much more economical a diesel is over a petrol is to drive the exact same journey, at the same time, in the same conditions. People claiming very good mpg from the petrol would've had a even better mpg over the same journey from a diesel. People who get poor mpg from their diesel would be getting a shocking return from a petrol. Simple.

I think everyone would agree that diesels are more economical (see above). They are more expensive too (outlay, fuel costs and servicing). Usually cheaper on insurance and road tax though.

You need to work out for yourself (outlay, fuel price, servicing, how you drive, annual distance, etc) if the figures work out for you.

For me I just loved the pull in second gear.

Bring on the re-map.

Phil.

GHGH · 27th May 2008, 13:17

Sounds reasonable.
Reason for my last post was a article I read about real versus promised (official) MPG for various cars.
It was a strong tendency to larger MPG overestimation in the most frugal cars: The hybrids and the very frugal small-engine diesels were (as I recall) more difficult to drive with promised MPG than the less economical cars (where the MPG wasn't a selling point at all

)

R-2 · 27th May 2008, 17:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmxtrading

I'm only quoting figures given by type r owners on this thread. I owned a new Impreza STI a couple of years back before getting the company car so I am well used to the fuel usage of this type of car even when you are taking it easy.

However the same is true for the diesel, my experience of the leon which quotes 55mpg extra urban is that 50mpg is also unrealistic other than at a constant speed on a very long run - and 45 is more realistic.

So the petrol argument still holds good for 10000 motorway miles.

BTW - anyone know what the delivery time is for a milano red type r gt with sat nav? I think I will have my order in by the end of the day.

Get the CTR. It may cost a little more per mile to run but the pleasure you get from it is priceless

Placed your order yet?

Bungle · 27th May 2008, 18:02

Just like to add. on a 500 odd mile round trip to Preston and back, I returned well over 50mpg (about 52-53) for the whole journey. For a 1.8 petrol I thought that was phenominal.

It also has a LOT to do with drivers, too. My GF drives the Civic more than I do

and can't get any where near as good a figure for the MPG as I can.

I taught her to drive, and she does drive well, but cannot return more than 35mpg. Doing the same journey I can get well over 40. I have had a lot of training in "eco-safe" driving training, which helps.

gmxtrading · 27th May 2008, 18:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by R-2

Placed your order yet?

Have got the order form, just waiting for confirmation of delivery time from Lex before I put pen to paper. Failing a ridiculous delivery time Honda will have my order in tomorrow.

The urgency been speeded up as my company delivered a passat tdi pool car and its hideous!!

Cant wait

Anyone want to buy a 54plate Leon Cupra TDI?

Pottsy · 27th May 2008, 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmxtrading

Anyone want to buy a 54plate Leon Cupra TDI?

Is it cheap?

gmxtrading · 27th May 2008, 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pottsy

Is it cheap?

The prices seem to have plummetted down from £10k since the turn of the year. I think £8500 is a more than fair price for the condition of the car.

Totally standard, 62k full service history, new tyres etc etc.

gm1980 · 27th May 2008, 20:06

Economy figures of 1.8 petrol. Actualy for the same trip on the reverse direction I filled it up at the biginnig of the trip and at the end of it and it took only 3 liters, so the consumption does not differ a lot from the actual one.

minisweeper · 27th May 2008, 20:17

Whoever it was saying they'd expect 600 miles on a tank of Diesel, dont. Most I've ever got is just touching 500.

nig.j · 27th May 2008, 20:26

Thanks for all the replies to my original post a vaird response and very helpful to hear actual MPGs. I'm off to look at few 1.8s tomorrow but have got my TDCi Focus back today after DMF change and its like a new car!! Quiet, quick and smooth - funny how something can be so wrong and not really noticed. I said to the manager of the garage who does my car that I was thinking about getting a Ciic and his reply was that he woud see less of me and not good for business!!!

Would be easier for me if I could get a diesel ES for £12k round here.

Nig

StGeli · 28th May 2008, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by minisweeper

Whoever it was saying they'd expect 600 miles on a tank of Diesel, dont. Most I've ever got is just touching 500.

Best I've had is about 525 with probably 20 miles worth of diesel left.

When I bought mine in 2006 then I worked it out that I was just on the lower limit that made a diesel worth it (c. 14000 miles a year). Naturally that's out of the window with the ridiculous price of diesel now.

Still the main benefits for me are the way it drives and the fact that I can go two weeks on a tank thereby avoiding unnecessary journeys to a decent (i.e. non supermarket) filling station.

S

Nexxo · 28th May 2008, 19:28

70mph on cruise-control gets me about 56mpg on a Diesel. Dropping down to 60mph over the last 30 mins (traffic...) clocked it up to 60mpg. Nice.

It's all YMMV stuff. I'd love a Type R, but I can't get over the extra road tax and insurance and the sheer thirst of the engine.

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GHGH Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 1,045 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Maybe the difference between promised and real MPG is slightly smaller with the petrol but very few reach the MPG they expect.

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philiphenderson Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 6th September 2007 Location: Tyne and Wear Posts: 126 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	The only true way to know how much more economical a diesel is over a petrol is to drive the exact same journey, at the same time, in the same conditions. People claiming very good mpg from the petrol would've had a even better mpg over the same journey from a diesel. People who get poor mpg from their diesel would be getting a shocking return from a petrol. Simple. I think everyone would agree that diesels are more economical (see above). They are more expensive too (outlay, fuel costs and servicing). Usually cheaper on insurance and road tax though. You need to work out for yourself (outlay, fuel price, servicing, how you drive, annual distance, etc) if the figures work out for you. For me I just loved the pull in second gear. Bring on the re-map. Phil.

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GHGH Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 1,045 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Sounds reasonable. Reason for my last post was a article I read about real versus promised (official) MPG for various cars. It was a strong tendency to larger MPG overestimation in the most frugal cars: The hybrids and the very frugal small-engine diesels were (as I recall) more difficult to drive with promised MPG than the less economical cars (where the MPG wasn't a selling point at all )

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Bungle Rocketship door handle Join Date: 3rd July 2006 Location: SE London/Kent Posts: 1,222 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Just like to add. on a 500 odd mile round trip to Preston and back, I returned well over 50mpg (about 52-53) for the whole journey. For a 1.8 petrol I thought that was phenominal. It also has a LOT to do with drivers, too. My GF drives the Civic more than I do and can't get any where near as good a figure for the MPG as I can. I taught her to drive, and she does drive well, but cannot return more than 35mpg. Doing the same journey I can get well over 40. I have had a lot of training in "eco-safe" driving training, which helps.

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minisweeper Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 23rd June 2007 Posts: 209 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Whoever it was saying they'd expect 600 miles on a tank of Diesel, dont. Most I've ever got is just touching 500.

27th May 2008, 20:26	#51 (permalink)
nig.j Valve Cap Join Date: 26th May 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Thanks for all the replies to my original post a vaird response and very helpful to hear actual MPGs. I'm off to look at few 1.8s tomorrow but have got my TDCi Focus back today after DMF change and its like a new car!! Quiet, quick and smooth - funny how something can be so wrong and not really noticed. I said to the manager of the garage who does my car that I was thinking about getting a Ciic and his reply was that he woud see less of me and not good for business!!! Would be easier for me if I could get a diesel ES for £12k round here. Nig

28th May 2008, 19:28	#53 (permalink)
Nexxo Wheelnut Join Date: 21st April 2008 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 73 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	70mph on cruise-control gets me about 56mpg on a Diesel. Dropping down to 60mph over the last 30 mins (traffic...) clocked it up to 60mpg. Nice. It's all YMMV stuff. I'd love a Type R, but I can't get over the extra road tax and insurance and the sheer thirst of the engine.