Engine 1.8 petrol or 2.2 diesel

nawaid · 3rd June 2008, 20:22

Hey guys

Im still planning my purchase. Question is, 1.8 petrol or 2.2 diesel. it gona b an EX for sure, but which one is best on fuel.

I drive city driving only, never on motorway. tend to put my foot down a lot. how much is a full tank on them? only done like 6000 miles in a year. Honda dealer said only get a diesel if you do more then 15000 miles a year. its not worth it if you do less.

my 1.6 cooper gives me 250 miles off 45 pounds.

smurf79 · 3rd June 2008, 20:34

For such a low mileage, i'd say petrol as well. I've got a 2.2 diesel but i do a lot of mileage. Its a 50 litre tank and i'm averaging 480 to 600 miles depending on how i drive. Don't know how far £45 would get you in the 1.8 but in the 2.2 i'd say anything from 400 miles plus

Pottsy · 3rd June 2008, 20:39

Some reading:

Buying, Dealers and Servicing - Civinfo
Petrol vs Diesel - Civinfo Wiki
Petrol or Diesel - an analysis of ownership costs

teletxt · 3rd June 2008, 20:48

If you will go many km-s you should by the diesel if you not then the petrol is the good choice .

avboothroyd · 3rd June 2008, 21:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by smurf79

For such a low mileage, i'd say petrol as well. I've got a 2.2 diesel but i do a lot of mileage. Its a 50 litre tank and i'm averaging 480 to 600 miles depending on how i drive. Don't know how far £45 would get you in the 1.8 but in the 2.2 i'd say anything from 400 miles plus

I've done about 6500 in my 2.2 and the economy is slowly improving. Now average at 40mpg, and on longer journeys on the motorway, getting 45mpg (bear in mind this with cruise set at 75. Pushing the 2.2 does decrease the mpg by quite a lot in mine. Filling the tank costs about 50-55 (depending on how much the local garage has decided to charge for diesel that day) and I get about 400-480 to the tank again depending on how i drive.

Can't comment on the 1.8 as not driven one for more than a couple miles, but I have also heard that for lower milage, petrols are more economical overall as they are cheaper to buy and run and fuel is cheaper.

Good luck

LivesInABox · 4th June 2008, 22:02

When i decided on diesel it was for two reasons - having tested both it the diesel seemed to me to be a great engine that pulls better mid range, and i can also get a remapped when i get bored (which will be a while yet!).

The costs i worked out were very similar for 5 years of owning when i worked them out (they might be slightly in favour of the petrol with fuel costs now but probably only a bit) averaging 10k a year, most town driving and some motorway/long distances. You need to take into account difference in purchase price, average mpg (don't believe the specs or the onboard computer), road tax and servicing costs and lastly residuals.

According to the AA road tax best case in 2010 2.2d will cost you £115 and the 1.8 will cost £180. Depends how long you keep it i guess

. As for mpg my onboard computer is reporting 45.2mpg but i'm actually getting 39.3mpg (mixed and putting my foot down a bit) but hopefully that will improve a bit. I also paid for honda "happiness" so i've paid £300 more for servicing for 5 years than the petrol (we'll see how happy i end up!). Btw - the a/c reduces mpg by quite a lot, especially when your pushing it! If you want to be cool and drive further then it's gonna cost ya!

As for my advice, look at your budget now - can you stretch to a diesel? Test drive both and see which one your like the best - nothing puts a smile on my face as going from 30-60 in my diesel, it still feels like it shouldn't do that with such low revs (but then i did come from a highly strung petrol!)

cb550 · 5th June 2008, 06:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by nawaid

Hey guys

Im still planning my purchase. Question is, 1.8 petrol or 2.2 diesel. it gona b an EX for sure, but which one is best on fuel.

I drive city driving only, never on motorway. tend to put my foot down a lot. how much is a full tank on them? only done like 6000 miles in a year. Honda dealer said only get a diesel if you do more then 15000 miles a year. its not worth it if you do less.

my 1.6 cooper gives me 250 miles off 45 pounds.

At your kind of mileage I'd estimate a fuel saving surely no more than £200 a year in favour of the diesel.

Last 6 cars of mine have been diesel including 2 Civics-these are great examples;really smooth and refined.Thing is,I bet the petrol is different again(better) in those respects,especially town driving.

Test both and then decide.

alanwalne · 5th June 2008, 08:40

I do between 25 and 30,000 miles a year and tow so for me it is a no brainer.

At only 6000 miles a year, which ever fuel you go for the cost per mile of owning a car will be high. As you are going for an EX then costs are probably not the restrictive factor.

IMO forget the cost differential, it will be peanuts compared to the overall cost of owning a car these days and just go for the one you prefer after extensive test drives on the roads you use day in day out.

gjackson · 5th June 2008, 08:56

I do about 10-12k and opted for petrol. Would have preferred Derv for engine characteristics but wasn't worth the extra.

My 1.8 petrol has had climate on for the last 2 weeks and is showing an indicated 40.1mpg slightly optimistic though I unfortunately ran with the computer showing as 0 miles to empty for 6 miles and could only cram 47 litres back in. Got 389 miles out of that tank. Mainly urban with foot down dual carriageway 6 miles a day.

NoNumpty · 5th June 2008, 09:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by gjackson

I do about 10-12k and opted for petrol. Would have preferred Derv for engine characteristics but wasn't worth the extra.

My 1.8 petrol has had climate on for the last 2 weeks and is showing an indicated 40.1mpg slightly optimistic though I unfortunately ran with the computer showing as 0 miles to empty for 6 miles and could only cram 47 litres back in. Got 389 miles out of that tank. Mainly urban with foot down dual carriageway 6 miles a day.

Well that works out at 8.28 miles per litre which is 37.63 miles per gallon.
So the trip is out by 2.5 mpg

Think the diesel is better

electric · 5th June 2008, 10:12

My 1.8 averaged 32mpg over the last 1200 miles. Aircon on and a mix of motorway and gentle city driving. I have noticed I get an extra 5mpg when air con switched off.

RobSp8 · 8th June 2008, 16:27

I was unsure whether to go for diesel or petrol. Decided that I probably didn't do enough "cruising" style driving or the mileage to get the best mpg out of the diesel. Plus, they were on average £800-£1000 more to buy than the equivalent petrol. Really glad I went for the petrol now, around here diesel is about 14p a litre more than petrol!!!

freddo1 · 11th June 2008, 00:18

I would suggest test driving both for a while.
The petrol can be a bit revvy for around-town driving.
I went from only petrol cars to a diesel civic cdti and prefer diesel now.
It pulls like a train and sounds sweet when the turbo cuts in about 2000 rpm.

Smarty · 11th June 2008, 08:18

I plumped for diesel but I knew I'd be doing lots of miles, and mainly on the motorway. Economics work out better for a petrol if you will be doing less miles and driving around town, but I agree with what most others are saying - test drive both and see which you prefer. It probably won't work out much more expensive for a diesel if you enjoy the ride that much more...

Rossman · 15th June 2008, 00:40

Do what I did and take both for a test drive, it's the only sure fire way of knowing which one suits your driving style or needs.

I took the 1.8 Petrol and 2.2 Diesel for a good 30 min test drive and found the diesel to be far smoother and less jerky than the petrol, superb torque and far easier and rewarding to drive.

Coming from a petrolhead who is used to driving a petrol 2.5 V6 lump this says a lot about the quality of the diesel, for me it was a no brainer, I don't do a particularly high amount of miles (10k a year on average) but I am averaging 50-55 mpg at the mo on my run to work (20 miles) so the fuel savings and road tax savings alone make it the best for me.

Good luck with the purchase

HappyMan · 15th June 2008, 19:05

Totally depends on how many miles you are going to do a year. If you are not going to do a lot of miles then the petrol is the best option compared to price of car and now petrol to diesel.

However, you say you like to put your foot down so you may like the diesel. I am getting about 9.0l/100km when I put my foot down in my city which isn't bad to be fair.

In the end it's down to you - which you prefer when you test drive them

Charles_Harding · 8th July 2008, 11:52

[quote=nawaid;191331] drive city driving only, never on motorway. tend to put my foot down a lot. how much is a full tank on them? only done like 6000 miles in a year.

Honda dealer said only get a diesel if you do more then 15000 miles a year. its not worth it if you do less.

quote]

......and it's dearer to start with.

......and it's dearer to service.

......and at start up it sounds like a diesel!

......and you queue at the pumps with all those Polish lorry drivers.

......and it wont be PETROL!

"OK, you clever ones out there
What's the speed of dark?"

alanwalne · 8th July 2008, 12:19

I agree cost wise that at 6000 miles pa the 1.8 will be cheaper.

However to answer Charles' later comment, I queue at the same pump island as petrol cars, HGV pumps will not fit in

and with a diesel you have to go less often regardless of your annual mileage.

The Civic has a very refined diesel engine so a lot of the diesel hang ups do not stand any more.

Just get the car you prefer hang the minimal cost difference, however I will state that in the city, the diesel clutch is a bit heavier than the petrol.

Charles_Harding · 8th July 2008, 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwalne

I agree cost wise that at 6000 miles pa the 1.8 will be cheaper.

However to answer Charles' later comment, I queue at the same pump island as petrol cars, HGV pumps will not fit in

and with a diesel you have to go less often regardless of your annual mileage.

The Civic has a very refined diesel engine so a lot of the diesel hang ups do not stand any more.

Just get the car you prefer hang the minimal cost difference, however I will state that in the city, the diesel clutch is a bit heavier than the petrol.

You must be a rich man alan.

"They say that I have slept with 7 Miss Worlds.
I have not!,
It was only 4.
I didn't turn up for the other 3!"

alanwalne · 8th July 2008, 12:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles_Harding

You must be a rich man alan.

"They say that I have slept with 7 Miss Worlds.
I have not!,
It was only 4.

I didn't turn up for the other 3!"

Compared to the cost of running a car, the extra £30 a year for the servicing is not a major part. The extra residuals partly compensate for the higher list price and I get over 50 MPG on local driving.

Running a car is very expensive, so if you prefer the diesel it is worth the little extra. If you prefer the petrol, you win twice.

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nawaid Wheelnut Join Date: 1st June 2008 Location: birmingham Posts: 74 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	1.8 petrol or 2.2 diesel Hey guys Im still planning my purchase. Question is, 1.8 petrol or 2.2 diesel. it gona b an EX for sure, but which one is best on fuel. I drive city driving only, never on motorway. tend to put my foot down a lot. how much is a full tank on them? only done like 6000 miles in a year. Honda dealer said only get a diesel if you do more then 15000 miles a year. its not worth it if you do less. my 1.6 cooper gives me 250 miles off 45 pounds.

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LivesInABox Valve Cap Join Date: 9th May 2008 Location: uk Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	When i decided on diesel it was for two reasons - having tested both it the diesel seemed to me to be a great engine that pulls better mid range, and i can also get a remapped when i get bored (which will be a while yet!). The costs i worked out were very similar for 5 years of owning when i worked them out (they might be slightly in favour of the petrol with fuel costs now but probably only a bit) averaging 10k a year, most town driving and some motorway/long distances. You need to take into account difference in purchase price, average mpg (don't believe the specs or the onboard computer), road tax and servicing costs and lastly residuals. According to the AA road tax best case in 2010 2.2d will cost you £115 and the 1.8 will cost £180. Depends how long you keep it i guess . As for mpg my onboard computer is reporting 45.2mpg but i'm actually getting 39.3mpg (mixed and putting my foot down a bit) but hopefully that will improve a bit. I also paid for honda "happiness" so i've paid £300 more for servicing for 5 years than the petrol (we'll see how happy i end up!). Btw - the a/c reduces mpg by quite a lot, especially when your pushing it! If you want to be cool and drive further then it's gonna cost ya! As for my advice, look at your budget now - can you stretch to a diesel? Test drive both and see which one your like the best - nothing puts a smile on my face as going from 30-60 in my diesel, it still feels like it shouldn't do that with such low revs (but then i did come from a highly strung petrol!) Last edited by LivesInABox; 4th June 2008 at 22:08.

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Charles_Harding Civinfo guru Join Date: 14th August 2006 Location: S.E. London Posts: 3,298 Thanks: 113 Thanked 27 Times in 26 Posts iTrader: (0)	[quote=nawaid;191331] drive city driving only, never on motorway. tend to put my foot down a lot. how much is a full tank on them? only done like 6000 miles in a year. Honda dealer said only get a diesel if you do more then 15000 miles a year. its not worth it if you do less. quote] ......and it's dearer to start with. ......and it's dearer to service. ......and at start up it sounds like a diesel! ......and you queue at the pumps with all those Polish lorry drivers. ......and it wont be PETROL! *"OK, you clever ones* *out there* *What's the speed of dark?"*

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alanwalne Who needs a 4x4?? Rocketship door handle Join Date: 11th June 2007 Location: Kent Posts: 1,753 Thanks: 24 Thanked 21 Times in 21 Posts iTrader: (0)	I agree cost wise that at 6000 miles pa the 1.8 will be cheaper. However to answer Charles' later comment, I queue at the same pump island as petrol cars, HGV pumps will not fit in and with a diesel you have to go less often regardless of your annual mileage. The Civic has a very refined diesel engine so a lot of the diesel hang ups do not stand any more. Just get the car you prefer hang the minimal cost difference, however I will state that in the city, the diesel clutch is a bit heavier than the petrol.