Which spec Buying Advice Type s gt petrol or diesel?

[Mallon]

Right please can someone give me some tips and advice. Ive owned and em1 coupe vti for the past 4 yours but have recently got a new job where the commute is about 25 miles there and 25 miles back. I love my em1 but after 4 years its definetly time for a change.

Ive got my heart set on a 3 door civic type s or type s gt.

I have worked out in my current job that if i was change to a diesel i would roughly save up to 1k a year if the calculator is right lol.

But as the petrols go for a lot cheaper and some seem better value is it really worth the extra money a second hand diesel costs. the mpg on the petrols is a massive improvement over my em1 anyway. And after 3 years i would probably change car again so i wouldnt have much time to get the money back on diesel for the price i will pay for the diesel.

What do you guys think. I think my absolute max i would spend is 9000 on a diesel. but ive noticed the petrols with much less mileage etc seem to be goin for 2 - 3 grand less. Just a bit confused.

Im thinking the petrol really ? what do you guys think. Which is more reliable any benefits of having either one apart from fuel savings ?

thanks

[furio101]

Petrol.... as the price of Diesel now is huge, the 1.8 petrol is good on eco as i get around 43 mpg driving super careful. The 1.8 is a really good engine and very very unlikly you will have any issues from it, the diesel folk on here have had a few clutch issues but maybe someone else with a diesel will post.

[mpn_daedalus]

Originally Posted by Mallon

Right please can someone give me some tips and advice. Ive owned and em1 coupe vti for the past 4 yours but have recently got a new job where the commute is about 25 miles there and 25 miles back. I love my em1 but after 4 years its definetly time for a change.

Ive got my heart set on a 3 door civic type s or type s gt.

I have worked out in my current job that if i was change to a diesel i would roughly save up to 1k a year if the calculator is right lol.

But as the petrols go for a lot cheaper and some seem better value is it really worth the extra money a second hand diesel costs. the mpg on the petrols is a massive improvement over my em1 anyway. And after 3 years i would probably change car again so i wouldnt have much time to get the money back on diesel for the price i will pay for the diesel.

What do you guys think. I think my absolute max i would spend is 9000 on a diesel. but ive noticed the petrols with much less mileage etc seem to be goin for 2 - 3 grand less. Just a bit confused.

Im thinking the petrol really ? what do you guys think. Which is more reliable any benefits of having either one apart from fuel savings ?

thanks

You've pretty much summed it up. Yeah diesels use less fuel but, they cost more to buy, more to service, more to fill up. Unless you're doing at least 15k miles a year, I doubt you'll save much money over a petrol in 3 years.

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[RollingThunder]

On the financial side with your miles and intended keep time its hard to justify a diesel. (Are those really the s/h price differences for identical spec cars other than the diesel/petrol factor?)
After a lifetime of petrol I wanted a change and having demo'd both just loved the characteristics of the diesel so thats the way I went and I'm very glad I did. The huge torque difference and the low engine revs make, for me anyway, a huge difference. It just seems to lope along effortlessly!
Dont forget to factor in that you will get that petrol/diesel price difference back when you sell it.

[Xrv750]

I would buy the diesel, got a Type S GT, if you do a lot of motorway work the diesel is only doing 2000 rpm at 70 mph in 6th gear, diesel has masses more torque than petrol engine, road tax is £115 a year, yes there have been problems with clutches, at the end of the day its your choice as the 1.8 petrol and 2.2 diesel have almost the same performance the diesel has far better full consumption though.

[J. Derek Riddell]

First, look at the facts ...

See how they relate to your driving habits and pocket ...

Then just pick one ! - more "toys" with the GT ...

Diesel has more (potential) issues - diesel is more expensive to buy and service and maintain - diesel fuel per mile is cheaper ...

The economics (even after resale) say Petrol for lowish or average mileage ...

Diesel = hi-torque x lo-revs : Petrol = lo-torque x hi-revs ...

Diesel can be easily remapped for more oomph - it's much harder to increase BHP on the Petrol ...

Petrol is less nose heavy (the 2.2 is a big lump) ...

Give both types a good test drive ! - (can be an 'S' or a 'S GT' for the test) ...

And finally - do you want the "Honda Howl" or a "Tractor Chug" ? ...

(I could be biased !) ...

[Guitaralmond]

Unlike most here I've owned both and would suggest the diesel. I averaged 30mpg from the petrol and 54mpg from the diesel. The diesel is far easier to drive and trying to get 40+mpg from the 1.8 drives you mad because at such low revs the car wont even move. The Diesel is very happy from 1,500-2,000 rpm, its no slouch either when youre getting 50+!

The diesel drives better, is faster and is far more economical. Theres only one choice here...

And only get a Type S GT, a non GT you will never shift after

[J. Derek Riddell]

Originally Posted by Guitaralmond

Unlike most here I've owned both and would suggest the diesel. I averaged 30mpg from the petrol and 54mpg from the diesel. The diesel is far easier to drive and trying to get 40+mpg from the 1.8 drives you mad because at such low revs the car wont even move. The Diesel is very happy from 1,500-2,000 rpm, its no slouch either when youre getting 50+! The diesel drives better, is faster and is far more economical. Theres only one choice here ... And only get a Type S GT, a non GT you will never shift after

Bit extreme ! ...

I get an (very mixed driving) average of 35 MPG and on long trips (not babying it) as much as 45 MPG ...

I've driven a 2.2 (not owned one) and the heavier front end was noticeable - yes, lots of torque, but the Petrol has lots of revs ...

For me, the worst thing is the fuel - all that nasty smelly oily stuff, that gets everywhere - "Fuel of Satan, get thee behind me !" ...

[Guitaralmond]

Originally Posted by J. Derek Riddell

Bit extreme ! ...

I get an (very mixed driving) average of 35 MPG and on long trips (not babying it) as much as 45 MPG ...

I've driven a 2.2 (not owned one) and the heavier front end was noticeable - yes, lots of torque, but the Petrol has lots of revs ...

For me, the worst thing is the fuel - all that nasty smelly oily stuff, that gets everywhere - "Fuel of Satan, get thee behind me !" ...

Diesel doesnt smell or get anywhere. Im not surprised youve got better MPG, all my journeys are very short most of the time. I never noticed the heavier front end from one car to another. The diesel is far quicker than the petrol too! My ex GF had a diesel and even vs my old Type R (225bhp) it wasnt easy to pass, in fact the diesel off the line is much quicker than a stock Type R at like 0-30 or 0-40mph.

[pcr]

I keep up with the other cars on the road and get 43mpg from my 1.8. Also, based on watching this forum only, I get the impression that the 1.8 is more reliable, lots of expensive electrical faults for the diesel, not to mention the chocolate clutch.

[J. Derek Riddell]

Originally Posted by Guitaralmond

....... My old GF .......

Enough said ! - anyone who is into 'Grab a Granny', has just displayed a complete lack of Judgement ...

Originally Posted by pcr

I keep up with the other cars on the road and get 43mpg from my 1.8. Also, based on watching this forum only, I get the impression that the 1.8 is more reliable, lots of expensive electrical faults for the diesel, not to mention the chocolate clutch.

Couldn't agree more, mate - my point exactly, made rather more concisely than I managed (due my tendency to - errmmm - "waffle" just a little bit !) ...

[Guitaralmond]

Originally Posted by J. Derek Riddell

Enough said ! - anyone who is into 'Grab a Granny', has just displayed a complete lack of Judgement ...

Whats that comment supposed to mean?

[J. Derek Riddell]

Originally Posted by Guitaralmond

Whats that comment supposed to mean?

The " old GF " !!! ...

[Guitaralmond]

Originally Posted by J. Derek Riddell

The " old GF " !!! ...

I suppose it was the wrong thing to put in the first place.... now edited!

The new one IS much younger and much better though lol as coincidence goes

[coste1l]

if you want anything over book performance figures get the 2.2

[Mallon]

thanks for your help guys. still not any easier. i probably think the 1.8 would work out better money wise. Do you guys think the price of the 2.2 and 1.8 will drop any more when the new civic comes out next year.

[Mallon]

where can i get a test drive of both veichles?

[sixphredd]

Originally Posted by Mallon

where can i get a test drive of both veichles?

Any Honda dealer would be happy to let you test drive both.

I took 3 out, the 1.8, 2.2 and type r

That test drive took it down to 2 choices for me, the 2.2 or the type r,

Now the type rs keep their money, but as were not talking about the type r, we'll leave it out

I brought the 2.2 for several reasons,

.I was so suprised at how it felt to drive, Performance, economy, etc
.The potential for the diesel performance and economy can be increased
far beyond standard
.At the time i didnt know about the clutch issues but saying that if you
buy one with say 50,000 miles or over you can be pretty sure that its
got the bnew clutch fitted, also you could just ask the dealer?

besides the clutch issue mate, i seriously cant say anything else thats wrong with the car.

But all this is just my opinion and experience, its upto you in the end

[jakeyboy]

id take the diesel,
better mpg, performance ( especially when mapped ) cheaper tax.
imo the diesel with low down grunt is much nicer to drive.
even went to punt it for an fn2 but dont think i could live with revving the tits off it everyday to get it going.
the tuning potential for the 1.8 is pretty low

[regan1985]

i drive both and on the same run where i get 39mpg on my 1.8 i get 46mpg in the 2.2.

the 1.8 is a lot cheaper these days so depends on how much you want to spend. for 8k for example your find a better 1.8 then you would a 2.2 but if your spending 15k ie new then go to the 2.2 as your get your money back in the end and most problems with be covered under warranty assuming its not too old and your keep it for say 3 years

speed wise there more or less the same depending on your driving style