Options Safegard Paint Protection ?

[PJS]

Interesting reading, but I'd take issue about the "PTFE and essential oils nourishing the paint" - it's a synthetic material, not even remotely similar to the human hair, and PTFE is too much of a known buzzword with little real world benefits. Engine oil additives being a prime example of marketing based on general knowledge rather than specifics.

Also, regarding ASTM B117 - again, if it can be used to assess anti-corrosion effectiveness, the same can be said of paint protection products. I don't see how it's possible to split the two into different camps, when both are effectively trying to do the same thing.
If the test shows the prospective anti-corrosion treatment works, then it's demonstrating how the product remains adhered to the surface of the material it's on.
How is that any different to a wax/sealant claiming to do the same thing?
If it doesn't adhere to the surface of the clearcoat, then it slides off - end of story and protection!
If these systems are suggesting they can be applied once and that's it for the next however many months, then they should be at least able to last a minimum of 24 hours.

But even if they choose not to conduct such a test to prove their claims, all you need do it apply said product to bare metal, and leave it out in your garden exposed to the elements like your car is, and see how long it takes before rust spots are visible.
Again, I'd almost guarantee it'd be before the month is out, if not much sooner come this time of year we're heading towards.

To the OP, sorry, never meant to take this so off topic on you, but as much as there are some 'guard' products different than others, I still maintain they are not all that they are claimed, and make a large profit for the dealer.
You and plenty others may find that acceptable, but I'd much rather everyone thought a bit more about what they're paying for and have realistic expectations.

Okay, I'm done now - no more haring on about ASTM B117-07, you can see where I stand and what I believe needs doing before money is spent on nothing more than blind faith.

[FWH]

To all those following this thread, see also:
Ditec paint protection

[FWH]

Originally Posted by PJS

and PTFE is too much of a known buzzword with little real world benefits.

Are you refering to paint sealants only here?
(I did notice you mentioned oil).

I am very sorry, but PTFE is not a buzzword with little real world benefits. It is widely used in industrial applications, for example as a component in injection moulded plastics.

I am not saying that all products using PTFE are good, but PTFE does have benefits in certain areas as anyone with relevant significant experience of mechanical engineering will tell you.

[FastCars28]

The modified PTFE additive is primarily used in this instance to generate some non-stick properties to the coating - thus making the vehicle easier to clean & more difficult for dirt/polluants to adhere to the paintwork. In this regard - I would say it would contribute some real life benefits.

Although there are some interesting points with regard to chemical make-up/longevity etc. I would still advocate that whether or not these products are worthwhile depends largely upon the quality/scope of the guarantee itself. Asking forum readers to think about whether or not spending £300 is worthwhile would require some lateral thinking in this direction. I know some Paint Protection Companies who have offered to re-seal vehicles (of my own + colleagues) & I also know that Safegard have offered re-sprays to customers in the event of a claim. You may not think its worth £300 - but I bet that guy did - after agricultural chemicals damaged his paint & his vehicle got resprayed.

Also - ask the parents whose children spill juice etc. in the car & it doesn't stain. Or the mark which is professionally removed in the event of a stain not being prevented? What about the value of this?

My point is this - the intrinsic value of these products cannot be summed up by an ASTM in this instance, which granted demonstrates anti-salt corrosion properties - moreover one must consider whether the cost of say £300 against the guarantee the package offers. This then opens up a completely different proposition to anyone purchasing a vehicle - what is usually their 2nd biggest investment.

When you are considering these types of products when purchasing a car - my advice would be to consider lifestyle & needs - it would also be worth contacting the companies direct & asking exactly to what extent their guarantee would offer redress on the vehicles condition inside & outside - how often you can claim etc. If an individual sees value in this - great - & i'm sure not everybody would - just as say not everybody would attain a benefit from GAP/RTI Insurance products etc.

[PJS]

My mistake for maybe not clarifying - PTFE is a brilliant product where it has proven uses or benefits/advantages, but all to often it's mentioned by marketing depts as having benefits in a system where it can't possibly have any benefit.
One such system is the engine oil additives - I shan't bore you, since it's all been explained technically why, online.
I believe the same has been done for paint products - again, if it had the benefits stated, it'd be in car paints already.
The fact it's not says it all really.
Paint manufacturers don't spend the money they do on R&D'ing new polymers and whatnot, when the likes of PTFE and so forth already exist to be made use of.
Why would they try to reinvent the wheel?

[PJS]

FastCar, I've kept my scope of argument on these systems' value/effectiveness to the exterior paintwork.
I'm not suggesting the SPP interior product can be viewed as cynically - I'd almost say it's an equivalent/superior to Scotchguard, with which everyone is probably familiar with.
But there's a world of difference between coating a fibrous material (can't be used on leather I presume?) and the clearcoat of your car's paintwork.

As you've said, the guarantee is worth reading carefully to see if the "insurance/assurance" it provides is value for money in itself.

[vtec-hungry]

pjs, no offense but what am I seeing?? they all look the same except the german one

[PJS]

None taken!
You just didn't read it properly. The 'grey' area is where their own product was applied - 3 products per sample strip - theirs in the centre, and others named on either side.
The 'grey' area is the colour each strip started out as, before being put into the test enclosure.
The result is after 24 hours @ 30ºC - the other products have slide off, exposing the strip to the spray, hence the corrosion/rust.

[FastCars28]

PJS - That's really what I was getting at. Not whether or not Product A/B or C is better (or performs better on 1 given test) - but whether or not the guarantee is worth paying the money for - and quantify its value to an individual person with individual needs.

You liken it to velcro - i'll liken it to restaurants. You could go to restaurant A for a meal - they use only the finest/freshest ingredients to prepare their finished product. Problem is - if the restaurant has no atmosphere & the service itself is bad - does anybody really care about the quality of the ingredients in the 1st place? No they don't - because they wouldn't go back - they'll go the Restaurant B - where their overall experience left them satisfied after paying the bill.

This guarantee should also be looked at in the form of the company's history & profile etc. Buying a Paint/Upholstery Protection product which is 'insurance' backed would be foolish - as in the event of a claim there is normally an excess & they don't actually cover a great deal anyway.

The product which is covered by a 'guarantee' should be considered more - as it is honoured by the supplying company themselves. Having said this - that would depend upon company A/B or C's policy in respect of upholding/honouring & fulfilling guarantee claims.

To discuss another point you raised - I would agree that no - in my experience leather 'protectors' do not work in the same way as 'Upholstery/Fabric' Protectors. Once again though - it would be down to the company supplying the Guarantee as to whether or not they would validate any claims in respect of this - taking a commercial 'flyer' as I think its known!

[robbo51]

This looks very like a promotional exercise for SuperGuard. Which one of you works for them then?
IMO. It boils down to cost. There is no doubting the protection offered by these products, but protection is also given by a good wax too and for much less.
If you cant be bothered using wax or washing your car regularly, then these coatings are for you. Otherwise they are a rip off!!
Ps. Save yourself a wadge and get it from eBay!!

[PJS]

Did you even read any of the previous page?
There is a doubt over how effective these systems are, and given that caveat, they cannot be deemed suitable for anyone who can't be arsed washing and waxing.
If they don't last as long as claimed, then being lazy with your car care regime will result in the paintwork looking tired sooner than it ought to.

[vtec-hungry]

Originally Posted by robbo51

This looks very like a promotional exercise for SuperGuard. Which one of you works for them then?
IMO. It boils down to cost. There is no doubting the protection offered by these products, but protection is also given by a good wax too and for much less.
If you cant be bothered using wax or washing your car regularly, then these coatings are for you. Otherwise they are a rip off!!
Ps. Save yourself a wadge and get it from eBay!!

sounds like it too

[FastCars28]

Actually if you read the posts carefully - I think you'd realise that none of us is making a case for Supagard - let alone works for them.

Moreover - there are several lines of thought relating to Paint/Upholstery Protection in general - specifically their product performance claims, value
& other variables to consider before purchase.

A lot of useful information I think has come from this post (if though slightly off topic now!) & it's always nice to get a balance of perspective. Try re-reading the posts!

[superlucy13]

I brought the supergaurd with my CTR and got certificate as well as a beautiful sticker in the windscreen, request from your dealer!!! If they cant give you one, you might very well of been 'done'!!

[robbo51]

Originally Posted by PJS

Did you even read any of the previous page?
There is a doubt over how effective these systems are, and given that caveat, they cannot be deemed suitable for anyone who can't be arsed washing and waxing.
If they don't last as long as claimed, then being lazy with your car care regime will result in the paintwork looking tired sooner than it ought to.

Excuse me!! Yes I did read your posts thankyou.
From what I WAS TOLD these coatings are more suitable for people who cant be arsed to wash and wax, despite what you may say. OK?
They are a waste of money in the first instance. If,on the other hand, they need constant attention, then they are EVEN less worth having.
If people are adamant that they want it still, they are available on eBay for very liitle cost. OK?
Understand now?

[Bog]

Originally Posted by robbo51

Excuse me!! Yes I did read your posts thankyou.
From what I WAS TOLD these coatings are more suitable for people who cant be arsed to wash and wax, despite what you may say. OK?
They are a waste of money in the first instance. If,on the other hand, they need constant attention, then they are EVEN less worth having.
If people are adamant that they want it still, they are available on eBay for very liitle cost. OK?
Understand now?

robbo51, Why do you have to be so belligerent? You have a valid point, but surely you can convey it with less aggression?

[robbo51]

Originally Posted by Bog

robbo51, Why do you have to be so belligerent? You have a valid point, but surely you can convey it with less aggression?

I was not aware that I was beligerent. I was merely taking exception to his post. As he did of mine. Aggression in writing is a way of conveying ones feelings.
Quid pro quo!

[vtec-hungry]

now now children

[Wheelchair]

Had a Mondeo Supaguarded in the past and years later the paintwork & alloys still looked like new. It came with a certificate and windscreen sticker, and was well worth the money. The proper stuff is definitely worth doing as your car will look better for it later.

[czechplastik]

Agree to disagree?