Options Safegard Paint Protection ?

[Pottsy]

Please do not be tempted to aim any insults at people. Argument and discussion is fine, but please observe the forum rules.

Thanks!

[robbo51]

No insults traded Andrew. Just argumentative discussion. Thanks for the advice

[FWH]

Originally Posted by robbo51

No insults traded Andrew. Just argumentative discussion. Thanks for the advice

No-one even mentioned Skoda!
Got boxing gloves for your animated kitty?

[robbo51]

Originally Posted by FWH

No-one even mentioned Skoda!
Got boxing gloves for your animated kitty?

or Saab!!

[PJS]

Originally Posted by robbo51

Excuse me!! Yes I did read your posts thankyou.

Your very welcome.

Originally Posted by robbo51

From what I WAS TOLD these coatings are more suitable for people who cant be arsed to wash and wax, despite what you may say. OK?

Yes, that's okay. I know the way they're sold - I was merely connecting that I/we have established they may not be all they claim, which means they can't be aimed at the lazy owner, since they fail to last long enough to do the protection you'd expect of them.

Originally Posted by robbo51

They are a waste of money in the first instance. If,on the other hand, they need constant attention, then they are EVEN less worth having.
If people are adamant that they want it still, they are available on eBay for very liitle cost. OK?

In product terms, yes I agree they are more expensive than they warrant, but it all depends on how the guarantee is worded and legally binding, etc.
To some people that alone is worth the expenditure - the car paint being self-cleaning or whatever is claimed, is an added bonus.

Originally Posted by robbo51

Understand now?

I didn't not understand - I was just remarking how if the claims aren't met in reality, then irrespective of what basis you're sold on the product - self-cleaning, wash and walk away only, etc, then it's not going to protect the paintwork any more than if you don't get it done and wash the car once a year.

As for your 'tone' - didn't bother me, so I've no issue with how you wrote your reply.
No harm, no foul.

[robbo51]

Originally Posted by PJS

Your very welcome.


Yes, that's okay. I know the way they're sold - I was merely connecting that I/we have established they may not be all they claim, which means they can't be aimed at the lazy owner, since they fail to last long enough to do the protection you'd expect of them.


In product terms, yes I agree they are more expensive than they warrant, but it all depends on how the guarantee is worded and legally binding, etc.
To some people that alone is worth the expenditure - the car paint being self-cleaning or whatever is claimed, is an added bonus.


I didn't not understand - I was just remarking how if the claims aren't met in reality, then irrespective of what basis you're sold on the product - self-cleaning, wash and walk away only, etc, then it's not going to protect the paintwork any more than if you don't get it done and wash the car once a year.

As for your 'tone' - didn't bother me, so I've no issue with how you wrote your reply.
No harm, no foul.

Thankyou. We both have made our views known

[jamiec501]

now back to ASTM B117 will that get rid of purple bird poo from 30+ seagulls at blackpoll morrisons thinking car is a loo

[samuel090180]

Originally Posted by milanoreds

I was sold Safegard paint & upholstery protection from my dealer,I did not received any documentation as evidence that it had been done,it was a lot of money for something you can't see.What are your views out there, have I been done

dealerprice = £150+

ebay price = £30

lol...

[PJS]

Originally Posted by jamiec501

now back to ASTM B117 will that get rid of purple bird poo from 30+ seagulls at blackpoll morrisons thinking car is a loo

Yes. But rather than wheel the car into a testing booth, it'd be much easier to buy a shotgun and blow the feckers out of existence.
You'll be helping other port-a-loo owners out with that service - they might even hire you, which would pay off the shotgun and ammo.

[FWH]

Originally Posted by robbo51

or Saab!!

I would prefer a Skoda to a Saab any day without hesitation.

[mattlittle]

Originally Posted by samuel090180

dealerprice = £150+

ebay price = £30

lol...

There are loads of different products under different names on ebay.

Without getting into a further debate as to the pros and cons, can someone recommend specific items/sellers for paint protection? I am also interested in fabric protector spray for the seats, etc - anyone got any recommendations?

[milanoreds]

Originally Posted by FastCars28

As someone who knows a tremendous amount with regard to this field of interest - I would like to offer the following comments for consideration:

Firstly - many people draw generalisations about Paint Protection Products & I can understand why. There is an issue though with doing this. Brand names such as 'Supagard', 'Diamondbrite' etc. are often compared with 'Safegard' (to which the original poster had referred to), without a full understanding of this particular Paint Protection System - or to the differences between respective guarantees.

The majority of 'Sealants' are Polymer/Resin based. They are designed to give protection + the 'bead up' which was referred to earlier. There are also some wax based 'Sealants' on the market - to which the finished shine after application is great - but the product itself is not very durable. To my extensive knowledge in the formulation of chemicals + this product sector - Safegard is unique in so much that it offers a Polymer Protection, 3 x waxes to enhance shine, a PTFE coating + blend of essential oils to nourish + condiiton the paint. The guarantee period is longer than any other + what is covered in the guarantee is far more comprehensive than the likes of 'Supagard' etc.

There are always going to be issues with the application of any sealants. Some Dealerships employ their own valeters (some good/some bad) but the majority of Dealership sub-contract valeting (again some good/some bad). The point is - as the consumer you can never really be sure if any of these types of product are applied properly. Some of the posters here have suggested purchasing off ebay & applying themselves. That's fine for external sealants - but users should exercise caution with any interior Upholstery Protection Products. In fact - they should always use a face mask + filters suitable for use with Organic Solvent Vapours when applying that type of product. If you think i'm joking - there have already been deaths in the industry relating to the application of interior protectors without the correct Personal Protective Equipment (PPE).

In answer to the original poster's comments - it is 100% the obligation of the Dealership to fill out the guarantee & post it off on your behalf - whilst supplying you with a copy of the guarantee booket. If they haven't done this - you have been mis-led by your sales exec at the Dealership.

In short - the 'Safegard' Paint/Upholstery Protection system is by far the best proposition of its kind available today. The science behind the product is ahead of other mainstream sealants for the reasons outlined above, and the guarantee is far more comprehensive.

On another note - the pictures posted by another poster which demonstrate the effect of salt corrosion - this is an American Standard Test Method (ASTM)B117 - and has historically been used to test salt-corrosion resistance. In this particular test - bare metal is subjected to an atomised concentrate salt spray for a period of time - the results are then available to demonstrate protection levels. In my opinion - this ASTM does not accurately reflect protection given to a vehicle's paint finish - by a paint 'sealant'. Remember - most car manufacturers offer a mandatory anti-corrosion as part of their own warranty anway - these sealants are desined to protect the 'finish' of the Paint - offering varying levels of redress in the form of either a guarantee or insurance backed product - in the event of deterioration caused by pollutants on a more nominal scale; and not by a concentrate which does not accurately reflect a real-life environment.

Hi fastcars28,
Phoned dealer today,despite being told previously that the documents are in the post,it transpires after a follow up call(4 weeks after delivery) that the documents were never sent or filled in,the certificate was left in the case with the cleaning products I have returned this to the dealer. Apparently there should have been a sicker on the window screen as well.
You can understand why I'm cynical,not with the product but with the dealer,was it applied?
Thanks for your comprehensive replys readers

[samuel090180]

Originally Posted by mattlittle

There are loads of different products under different names on ebay.

Without getting into a further debate as to the pros and cons, can someone recommend specific items/sellers for paint protection? I am also interested in fabric protector spray for the seats, etc - anyone got any recommendations?

You can purchase a whole superguard (r) kit on ebay...just type the name into the search engine...

it includes...

* The paint sealent sponge
* Seat protector
* Carpet protector
* Leather cleaner/protector
* Alloy wheel protector

[Hartside]

Or buy a decent Meguiars or Autoglym kit for the paintwork

Dealer applied sealants? - buy them on e-bay, follow the instructions and apply them yourself for the same result or better. Dealer application = product costs, labour, profit and insurance indemnity in the event of a claim (providing the small print does not catch you out!) I'm a Technical Manager in a group of companies in the polymer industry. Would I buy it? - nope!

[mattlittle]

Originally Posted by samuel090180

You can purchase a whole superguard (r) kit on ebay...just type the name into the search engine...

it includes...

* The paint sealent sponge
* Seat protector
* Carpet protector
* Leather cleaner/protector
* Alloy wheel protector

I can only really see supagard - I'm guessing that this is the same stuff?

[samuel090180]

Originally Posted by Hartside

Or buy a decent Meguiars or Autoglym kit for the paintwork

Dealer applied sealants? - buy them on e-bay, follow the instructions and apply them yourself for the same result or better. Dealer application = product costs, labour, profit and insurance indemnity in the event of a claim (providing the small print does not catch you out!) I'm a Technical Manager in a group of companies in the polymer industry. Would I buy it? - nope!

When you purchase any paint protection product from a dealership, the bulk of your money goes to the salesman who signed you up for it...

My friend works for VW as a new car salesman and he tell me about this all the time...it is part of their projected earnings/prp scheme...

[Hartside]

When you purchase any paint protection product from a dealership, the bulk of your money goes to the salesman who signed you up for it...

My friend works for VW as a new car salesman and he tell me about this all the time...it is part of their projected earnings/prp scheme...

Exactly!

[FastCars28]

Originally Posted by milanoreds

Hi fastcars28,
Phoned dealer today,despite being told previously that the documents are in the post,it transpires after a follow up call(4 weeks after delivery) that the documents were never sent or filled in,the certificate was left in the case with the cleaning products I have returned this to the dealer. Apparently there should have been a sicker on the window screen as well.
You can understand why I'm cynical,not with the product but with the dealer,was it applied?
Thanks for your comprehensive replys readers

Hi Milanoreds - I can fully appreceiate why you would be sceptical as to whether or not it was applied - given the completely in-adequate service you have received by the Dealer.

My advice - Get a small amount of water & pour it onto the fabric upholstery on your seats. Given the information you have discussed - if the water beads up & does not soak in - I would take a guess Safegard was applied & the salesman just hasn't bothered filling in your documentation. If it does soak in however - I would say its a safe bet that it hasn't been applied at all - and this is the reason you did not receive a completed guarantee or have the stickers placed in the car - although that could be down to lazy valeters!

To begin with - get the salesman to backdate the guarantee, post his copy off & make sure you are given the booklet. If there is a question-mark over application after doing a simple test yourself (as above) - show the salesman this & insist it is re-applied inside/outside.

Remember - to be charged for a good/service you have never received is technically theft - so you are well within your rights to kick up a fuss.

Hope this helps.

[PJS]

Excellent pointers there FastCars.

[psykik]

FastCars, excellent stuff, thanks, im forewarned!