Options Safegard Paint Protection ?

milanoreds · 16th August 2007, 16:46

I was sold Safegard paint & upholstery protection from my dealer,I did not received any documentation as evidence that it had been done,it was a lot of money for something you can't see.What are your views out there, have I been done

robbo51 · 16th August 2007, 19:07

Have you asked the dealer for post protection advice?
IMO these coatings are good, if applied yourself (from eBay).
They are a complete rip off from the dealer. They make around 75% profit on each they sell. So I guess you have been ripped off.

Stype_GT · 16th August 2007, 19:22

I had the Diamondbrite package/safeguard as part of my deal, where by I had documentation, leaflets, warranty etc etc. If I were you i'd go back to the dealer and kick up a fuss.

illegalhunter · 16th August 2007, 19:53

Got mine off ebay , just need the car now to put it on

civie · 16th August 2007, 20:08

I was offered this supaguard paint, wheel, and fabric protection from my dealer at a cost of £280,

I sought advice from members of the civinfo and overall i was informed i was waisting my £££, however i have seen cars with paint protection coatings and imo they look good cleaned up..

The moral of this is ....... Bid for supaguard of e-bay, cost me a tenner for the pack, spent approx 3hrs applying and well chuffed with the results.

And i know by diy that the whole car was covered

milanoreds · 17th August 2007, 10:09

Yes "Ripped off "thats what I think,it was part of the incentive to clinch the deal.Since read that the fancy cleaning kit you get is worth about £60 & Its any ones guess how long they take to apply the treatment if they do?
Asked dealer about documentation,the reply was that It will be sent to me by Safegard(3 weeks now and no paperwork),will get back to dealer.
"Beware of Greeks bearing gifts"no offence meant.
Regards Mr Synical

Charles_Harding · 17th August 2007, 19:42

I got the expensive Diamond Brite stuff from my Stealer.

The 'extra shine' lasted for around 4 months.

I've now taken full responsibility for Mille's presentation, and she now is really shiney!

"The worst part about playing golf is the hitting the ball in the right direction bit!"

Charles H.

vtec-hungry · 17th August 2007, 23:29

ok how much is it cos i ordered it at 230 quid, if its cheap am gonna cancel! and is it easy to put on or is their special techinic to it?

civie · 18th August 2007, 10:27

The supagard paint protection consists of a sponge applicator which has a pouch of cream concealed inside, basically you pearce the pouch and rub the cream over the bodywork, once dried you buff up to a shine, The fabric protector consists of a 500ml aerosol which you spray over fabric, leave to dry. The alloy protector is similar, spray on wipe off.

If you have valeted your car in the past it's a doddle and no special skills required...........Save pounds by DIY.

vtec-hungry · 18th August 2007, 10:32

how muh for all this if diy?

civie · 18th August 2007, 10:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtec-hungry

how muh for all this if diy?

I searched E-Bay found seller from my home town and agreed to sell me pack for £10 (thats what the last lot sold for in auction)

There are lots selling all the time on the auction site and also available on Buy it now. At different prices. IMO it makes a difference to the paint finish.

vtec-hungry · 18th August 2007, 11:40

how can honda charge 230 for somthing worth £10???? is it the same stuf????? it jut cant b!

FWH · 18th August 2007, 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtec-hungry

how can honda charge 230 for somthing worth £10???? is it the same stuf????? it jut cant b!

Yes it can.
Honda add their margins, but also of course the cost of labour for putting it on the car.

civie · 18th August 2007, 15:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtec-hungry

how can honda charge 230 for somthing worth £10???? is it the same stuf????? it jut cant b!

Trust me, there is only one supagard, The product i bought picked up from a professional car valeter who tours the region applying this product to vehicles.

DerekR · 18th August 2007, 16:16

A friend does car valeting for a living. Now I'm not saying that you can't do it yourself, but I know that when he applies proguard the routine takes forever. Not sure but something like wash, polish, clay bar, wash, proguard? It’s defiantly not a case of bunging a bit of stuff on! It takes him best part of a day to proguard a car insided and out, thats why it costs a couple of quid!

vtec-hungry · 19th August 2007, 17:10

so u personally think its worth it? i mean 230 isnt a massive amount if its good (watched the vid of it at hinda, crappest vid i have ever seen in my life) impressive stuff, its just if i can buy it for a tenner?

PJS · 19th August 2007, 18:28

Does this answer the question?

FWH · 19th August 2007, 19:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by PJS

Does this answer the question?

Well not really...
Although I see your point.

We are not looking for a method to rust-proof bare metal.
Which is what your test result is about.

Paint protection is about more parameters, e.g. sunlight.

But again, I do see your point with this test, but I would not call it conclusive proof.

PJS · 19th August 2007, 20:22

The test is very applicable since the purpose of any wax/sealant system is to protect the paint.
Putting the product on bare steel demonstrates unequivocally that the product protects or doesn't. It's not about anti-corrosion.
In the accelerated test that ASTM B117-07 conducts, it provides an indication of the longevity of the product to do it's job of protecting the paintwork.
In the above results, it's clear to see those products aren't able to last beyond (a projected) 3-4 days worst case scenario (constant rain). Even best case wouldn't be more than 2 weeks, yet we're lead to believe months on end are expected.
Even the company whose product is able to last the 24 hours, and only starts to stop working after 72 hours straight, suggests 1 month maximum between applications.

That's why if all the manufacturers submitted to the test their products, I suspect we'd see much the same results as those above. Hardly something they'd want to have publicly known, since they work on the principle of "ignorance is bliss".

I've no particular axe to grind, I'd just like to see them actually prove empirically that their product does what is claimed of it.
The ASTM B117-07 test is one such way since it's used by the paint industry themsleves, and it's paint protection these products purport to protect.
If they can't last long enough on bare steel, then what chance have they of lasting on paint/clearcoat long enough to offer the protection they say they do?

I'm sorry, but it's fairly clear cut in my eyes, and if anyone wants to send me samples of the products they believe in, I'll happily send them to be tested and display the results for all and sundry to see, and draw their own conclusion from.
It's not rocket science - either the product doesn't let water penetrate to below the protection layer and slide off the surface, which is exactly what's happening in the above results.
Once off, the salt water can set about doing its damage. Same thing for car paint - no wax/sealant and the acid rain/UV/bird poo can all do their damage.

FastCars28 · 19th August 2007, 20:29

As someone who knows a tremendous amount with regard to this field of interest - I would like to offer the following comments for consideration:

Firstly - many people draw generalisations about Paint Protection Products & I can understand why. There is an issue though with doing this. Brand names such as 'Supagard', 'Diamondbrite' etc. are often compared with 'Safegard' (to which the original poster had referred to), without a full understanding of this particular Paint Protection System - or to the differences between respective guarantees.

The majority of 'Sealants' are Polymer/Resin based. They are designed to give protection + the 'bead up' which was referred to earlier. There are also some wax based 'Sealants' on the market - to which the finished shine after application is great - but the product itself is not very durable. To my extensive knowledge in the formulation of chemicals + this product sector - Safegard is unique in so much that it offers a Polymer Protection, 3 x waxes to enhance shine, a PTFE coating + blend of essential oils to nourish + condiiton the paint. The guarantee period is longer than any other + what is covered in the guarantee is far more comprehensive than the likes of 'Supagard' etc.

There are always going to be issues with the application of any sealants. Some Dealerships employ their own valeters (some good/some bad) but the majority of Dealership sub-contract valeting (again some good/some bad). The point is - as the consumer you can never really be sure if any of these types of product are applied properly. Some of the posters here have suggested purchasing off ebay & applying themselves. That's fine for external sealants - but users should exercise caution with any interior Upholstery Protection Products. In fact - they should always use a face mask + filters suitable for use with Organic Solvent Vapours when applying that type of product. If you think i'm joking - there have already been deaths in the industry relating to the application of interior protectors without the correct Personal Protective Equipment (PPE).

In answer to the original poster's comments - it is 100% the obligation of the Dealership to fill out the guarantee & post it off on your behalf - whilst supplying you with a copy of the guarantee booket. If they haven't done this - you have been mis-led by your sales exec at the Dealership.

In short - the 'Safegard' Paint/Upholstery Protection system is by far the best proposition of its kind available today. The science behind the product is ahead of other mainstream sealants for the reasons outlined above, and the guarantee is far more comprehensive.

On another note - the pictures posted by another poster which demonstrate the effect of salt corrosion - this is an American Standard Test Method (ASTM)B117 - and has historically been used to test salt-corrosion resistance. In this particular test - bare metal is subjected to an atomised concentrate salt spray for a period of time - the results are then available to demonstrate protection levels. In my opinion - this ASTM does not accurately reflect protection given to a vehicle's paint finish - by a paint 'sealant'. Remember - most car manufacturers offer a mandatory anti-corrosion as part of their own warranty anway - these sealants are desined to protect the 'finish' of the Paint - offering varying levels of redress in the form of either a guarantee or insurance backed product - in the event of deterioration caused by pollutants on a more nominal scale; and not by a concentrate which does not accurately reflect a real-life environment.

16th August 2007, 16:46	#1 (permalink)
milanoreds Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 2nd August 2007 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Safegard Paint Protection ? I was sold Safegard paint & upholstery protection from my dealer,I did not received any documentation as evidence that it had been done,it was a lot of money for something you can't see.What are your views out there, have I been done

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PJS Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 27th May 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 452 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 15 Posts iTrader: (0)	The test is very applicable since the purpose of any wax/sealant system is to protect the paint. Putting the product on bare steel demonstrates unequivocally that the product protects or doesn't. It's not about anti-corrosion. In the accelerated test that ASTM B117-07 conducts, it provides an indication of the longevity of the product to do it's job of protecting the paintwork. In the above results, it's clear to see those products aren't able to last beyond (a projected) 3-4 days worst case scenario (constant rain). Even best case wouldn't be more than 2 weeks, yet we're lead to believe months on end are expected. Even the company whose product is able to last the 24 hours, and only starts to stop working after 72 hours straight, suggests 1 month maximum between applications. That's why if all the manufacturers submitted to the test their products, I suspect we'd see much the same results as those above. Hardly something they'd want to have publicly known, since they work on the principle of "ignorance is bliss". I've no particular axe to grind, I'd just like to see them actually prove empirically that their product does what is claimed of it. The ASTM B117-07 test is one such way since it's used by the paint industry themsleves, and it's paint protection these products purport to protect. If they can't last long enough on bare steel, then what chance have they of lasting on paint/clearcoat long enough to offer the protection they say they do? I'm sorry, but it's fairly clear cut in my eyes, and if anyone wants to send me samples of the products they believe in, I'll happily send them to be tested and display the results for all and sundry to see, and draw their own conclusion from. It's not rocket science - either the product doesn't let water penetrate to below the protection layer and slide off the surface, which is exactly what's happening in the above results. Once off, the salt water can set about doing its damage. Same thing for car paint - no wax/sealant and the acid rain/UV/bird poo can all do their damage. Last edited by PJS; 19th August 2007 at 20:34.

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16th August 2007, 19:07	#2 (permalink)
robbo51 It wasn’t me! Civinfo guru Join Date: 1st July 2007 Location: Bingley, W.Yorks Posts: 3,443 Thanks: 57 Thanked 55 Times in 52 Posts iTrader: (0)	Have you asked the dealer for post protection advice? IMO these coatings are good, if applied yourself (from eBay). They are a complete rip off from the dealer. They make around 75% profit on each they sell. So I guess you have been ripped off.

16th August 2007, 19:22	#3 (permalink)
Stype_GT Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 9th July 2007 Location: Twickenham Posts: 134 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I had the Diamondbrite package/safeguard as part of my deal, where by I had documentation, leaflets, warranty etc etc. If I were you i'd go back to the dealer and kick up a fuss.

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illegalhunter HACKIN & SLAYIN Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: In the woods armed to the teeth Posts: 2,912 Thanks: 6 Thanked 35 Times in 34 Posts iTrader: (0)	Got mine off ebay , just need the car now to put it on

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civie Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 5th March 2007 Location: north east Posts: 208 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I was offered this supaguard paint, wheel, and fabric protection from my dealer at a cost of £280, I sought advice from members of the civinfo and overall i was informed i was waisting my £££, however i have seen cars with paint protection coatings and imo they look good cleaned up.. The moral of this is ....... Bid for supaguard of e-bay, cost me a tenner for the pack, spent approx 3hrs applying and well chuffed with the results. And i know by diy that the whole car was covered

17th August 2007, 10:09	#6 (permalink)
milanoreds Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 2nd August 2007 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Yes "Ripped off "thats what I think,it was part of the incentive to clinch the deal.Since read that the fancy cleaning kit you get is worth about £60 & Its any ones guess how long they take to apply the treatment if they do? Asked dealer about documentation,the reply was that It will be sent to me by Safegard(3 weeks now and no paperwork),will get back to dealer. "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts"no offence meant. Regards Mr Synical

17th August 2007, 19:42	#7 (permalink)
Charles_Harding Civinfo guru Join Date: 14th August 2006 Location: S.E. London Posts: 3,298 Thanks: 113 Thanked 27 Times in 26 Posts iTrader: (0)	I got the expensive Diamond Brite stuff from my Stealer. The 'extra shine' lasted for around 4 months. I've now taken full responsibility for Mille's presentation, and she now is really shiney! *"The worst part about playing golf is the hitting the ball in the right direction bit!"* Charles H.

17th August 2007, 23:29	#8 (permalink)
vtec-hungry Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 17th August 2007 Location: Blackpool Posts: 408 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	ok how much is it cos i ordered it at 230 quid, if its cheap am gonna cancel! and is it easy to put on or is their special techinic to it?

18th August 2007, 10:27	#9 (permalink)
civie Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 5th March 2007 Location: north east Posts: 208 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	The supagard paint protection consists of a sponge applicator which has a pouch of cream concealed inside, basically you pearce the pouch and rub the cream over the bodywork, once dried you buff up to a shine, The fabric protector consists of a 500ml aerosol which you spray over fabric, leave to dry. The alloy protector is similar, spray on wipe off. If you have valeted your car in the past it's a doddle and no special skills required...........Save pounds by DIY.

18th August 2007, 10:32	#10 (permalink)
vtec-hungry Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 17th August 2007 Location: Blackpool Posts: 408 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	how muh for all this if diy?

18th August 2007, 11:40	#12 (permalink)
vtec-hungry Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 17th August 2007 Location: Blackpool Posts: 408 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	how can honda charge 230 for somthing worth £10???? is it the same stuf????? it jut cant b!

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DerekR Valve Cap Join Date: 25th July 2007 Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	A friend does car valeting for a living. Now I'm not saying that you can't do it yourself, but I know that when he applies proguard the routine takes forever. Not sure but something like wash, polish, clay bar, wash, proguard? It’s defiantly not a case of bunging a bit of stuff on! It takes him best part of a day to proguard a car insided and out, thats why it costs a couple of quid!

19th August 2007, 17:10	#16 (permalink)
vtec-hungry Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 17th August 2007 Location: Blackpool Posts: 408 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	so u personally think its worth it? i mean 230 isnt a massive amount if its good (watched the vid of it at hinda, crappest vid i have ever seen in my life) impressive stuff, its just if i can buy it for a tenner?

19th August 2007, 18:28	#17 (permalink)
PJS Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 27th May 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 452 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 15 Posts iTrader: (0)	Does this answer the question?

19th August 2007, 20:29	#20 (permalink)
FastCars28 Valve Cap Join Date: 19th August 2007 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	As someone who knows a tremendous amount with regard to this field of interest - I would like to offer the following comments for consideration: Firstly - many people draw generalisations about Paint Protection Products & I can understand why. There is an issue though with doing this. Brand names such as 'Supagard', 'Diamondbrite' etc. are often compared with 'Safegard' (to which the original poster had referred to), without a full understanding of this particular Paint Protection System - or to the differences between respective guarantees. The majority of 'Sealants' are Polymer/Resin based. They are designed to give protection + the 'bead up' which was referred to earlier. There are also some wax based 'Sealants' on the market - to which the finished shine after application is great - but the product itself is not very durable. To my extensive knowledge in the formulation of chemicals + this product sector - Safegard is unique in so much that it offers a Polymer Protection, 3 x waxes to enhance shine, a PTFE coating + blend of essential oils to nourish + condiiton the paint. The guarantee period is longer than any other + what is covered in the guarantee is far more comprehensive than the likes of 'Supagard' etc. There are always going to be issues with the application of any sealants. Some Dealerships employ their own valeters (some good/some bad) but the majority of Dealership sub-contract valeting (again some good/some bad). The point is - as the consumer you can never really be sure if any of these types of product are applied properly. Some of the posters here have suggested purchasing off ebay & applying themselves. That's fine for external sealants - but users should exercise caution with any interior Upholstery Protection Products. In fact - they should always use a face mask + filters suitable for use with Organic Solvent Vapours when applying that type of product. If you think i'm joking - there have already been deaths in the industry relating to the application of interior protectors without the correct Personal Protective Equipment (PPE). In answer to the original poster's comments - it is 100% the obligation of the Dealership to fill out the guarantee & post it off on your behalf - whilst supplying you with a copy of the guarantee booket. If they haven't done this - you have been mis-led by your sales exec at the Dealership. In short - the 'Safegard' Paint/Upholstery Protection system is by far the best proposition of its kind available today. The science behind the product is ahead of other mainstream sealants for the reasons outlined above, and the guarantee is far more comprehensive. On another note - the pictures posted by another poster which demonstrate the effect of salt corrosion - this is an American Standard Test Method (ASTM)B117 - and has historically been used to test salt-corrosion resistance. In this particular test - bare metal is subjected to an atomised concentrate salt spray for a period of time - the results are then available to demonstrate protection levels. In my opinion - this ASTM does not accurately reflect protection given to a vehicle's paint finish - by a paint 'sealant'. Remember - most car manufacturers offer a mandatory anti-corrosion as part of their own warranty anway - these sealants are desined to protect the 'finish' of the Paint - offering varying levels of redress in the form of either a guarantee or insurance backed product - in the event of deterioration caused by pollutants on a more nominal scale; and not by a concentrate which does not accurately reflect a real-life environment.