Engine Need your help guys ... :-)

TriXXXer · 14th October 2007, 01:07

OK, i finally decided my new car will be a Civic Sport ... thats official ...

BUT ... i need to choose between 1.8 petrol and 2.2 diesel

some info on me : live in belgium (max speed topped at 120 km/h), annualy i drive about 14.000 km ....

at first i was pretty convinced about the diesel version, but when making the calculation (taxes, ...) i think the petrol version will be better for me, since i dont drive long distances often (maybe this will change though, to show my civic

)

what do you guys think?? i need to order the car on monday, so any help would be great !!

Sekhmet · 14th October 2007, 02:48

I like nothing better then the sound of the VTEC engine

TriXXXer · 14th October 2007, 02:51

thats one vote for the petrol than iguess?

czechplastik · 14th October 2007, 05:05

In terms of cost the diesel only makes sense if you do long distance driving, in time the reduced fuel costs will offset the initial higher purchase price.

In everything else (other than the noise stakes) the diesel wins hand down.

I bought it purely for the power and the way it drives.

Munro · 14th October 2007, 08:52

This is down to personal preference. Have a look at this thread !

http://www.civinfo.com/forum/engines...-can-keep.html

Korkut Varol · 14th October 2007, 09:21

Here in Turkey, the approximate break-even mileage is about 50000 km (30000 mi.) annual. Petrol is about 17% more expensive than diesel fuel. (our fuel prices are about 1,70€/lt for petrol and 1.45€/lt for diesel---I guess we are using the most expensive fuel in the world!) Including servicing costs etc., the calculation ends up with such a mileage over here..
Just wondered, how are such comparison figures for break-even mileages in other countries?

HappyMan · 14th October 2007, 09:31

I had the same quandry as you regarding petrol v diesel. I chose petrol due to the fact that during my search for a new car I spoke to.....wait for it..... a very unhelpful toyota salesman whilst I was looking at the Rav4. Whilst he looked at me and my wife as if we were something on the bottom of his shoe he did talk a little bit of sense. He told us that there would be no visible benefit in buying a diesel if you did only 30,000km a year max.

So when considering the Civic I asked the honda salesman about it and he confirmed the same message.

Plus I have to say when I drove the cars I loved the sound of the petrol!

TTDegs · 14th October 2007, 10:04

Petrol Pros:
the sound is better than the diesel
its cheaper to buy

Diesel Cons:
you can remap it to 180-190 bhp

low down grunt

Pottsy did a thread somewhere about how to work out which is cheaper in the long run, which included price of fuel, road tax and servicing

For me, diesel works out cheaper anyway (25-30K miles per year), but even if it hadn't I would have gone diesel anyway

illegalhunter · 14th October 2007, 10:59

Decisions decisions

jayt43 · 14th October 2007, 11:05

As helpful as everyone is on Civinfo, you need to take both cars out on a test drive!

Certainly, the price premium for the diesel might not be worth it if you mainly drive short distances (and only 14,000km per year).

But then again, you might prefer the increased torque of the diesel, or the refined nature of the i-Vtec (at low/medium revs).

So, if you can, do your calculations and then try both on Monday. And, if you do go for the diesel, try to get get a decent discount to offset the higher sticker price (although you should also be aiming for a saving on the petrol version too).

Type S Bournemouth · 14th October 2007, 11:14

Diesel. Its the best by far.

cylon2007 · 14th October 2007, 13:43

Diesel

nuff said

FWH · 14th October 2007, 13:59

I am very happy with my petrol - but then I haven´t driven the diesel as it is not available here...

Modern diesels are very nice, and the remap possibilty to "Type D" spec is valuable imo.

As the others say - test drive both as much as possible.

TriXXXer · 14th October 2007, 14:56

wow allready 12 replies in half a day, civinfo people are superb !!!

i think for me the main issue is budget wise

since i only just started working, i dont want to take to much a weight on my budget you see

i was just wondering what you would recommend me (i allready test drove both 2.2 diesel and 1.8i petrol, and liked the diesel better, seemed like a smoother car) ....

knowing that :
- i mostly take short trips from here to work ('bout 15 km)
- take sometimes longer ones (bout 100-160km per trip) during weekends
- yearly average is around 14000 km
- yearly taxes for a diesel is about 45% more, insurance wise (since its 2.2) also quite a bit more expensive ...

i just wonder, taking all costs (purchase and yearly) into account, what would be better option for me?

FWH · 14th October 2007, 15:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by TriXXXer

wow allready 12 replies in half a day, civinfo people are superb !!!

i think for me the main issue is budget wise

since i only just started working, i dont want to take to much a weight on my budget you see

i was just wondering what you would recommend me (i allready test drove both 2.2 diesel and 1.8i petrol, and liked the diesel better, seemed like a smoother car) ....

knowing that :
- i mostly take short trips from here to work ('bout 15 km)
- take sometimes longer ones (bout 100-160km per trip) during weekends
- yearly average is around 14000 km
- yearly taxes for a diesel is about 45% more, insurance wise (since its 2.2) also quite a bit more expensive ...

i just wonder, taking all costs (purchase and yearly) into account, what would be better option for me?

Yes, we are great!

If cost is an issue, I would personally go with the petrol.
I drive about the same as you do and I am quite unsure if I would have spent the extra money on the 2.2 if it was available for me.

But I would realistically prefer a 2.2 with a 190 bhp chip over a Type-R due to cost and practicallity.

civicfan · 14th October 2007, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by TriXXXer

OK, i finally decided my new car will be a Civic Sport ... thats official ...

BUT ... i need to choose between 1.8 petrol and 2.2 diesel

some info on me : live in belgium (max speed topped at 120 km/h), annualy i drive about 14.000 km ....

at first i was pretty convinced about the diesel version, but when making the calculation (taxes, ...) i think the petrol version will be better for me, since i dont drive long distances often (maybe this will change though, to show my civic

)

what do you guys think?? i need to order the car on monday, so any help would be great !!

If you intend to drive the given amount and not more, probably the right choice would be petrol, otherwise the diesel will come cheaper on the long run

TTDegs · 14th October 2007, 22:17

decision with your head = petrol
decision with your heart = diesel

Its a tough choice, becuase if you buy the petrol, you will always be wonderring if perhaps you should have stretched that bit more for the diesel.
But if you buy the diesel, you'll be thinking of the money you could have saved...

(Actually, if you buy the diesel, you'll be too busy

ing to worry about the money you could have saved

)

But no - for the distance you are doing, and if budget is tight, then petrol probably is the more sensible choice

czechplastik · 15th October 2007, 01:08

The debate will go on for a long time, only you know what is best for you and the only way to work that out is to drive them both.

christophe · 15th October 2007, 03:36

Hi i'm from belgium and now driving an 1.8 petrol ,have had 2.2 diezel with dpf and not happy with it ,i could not do enough long distance and thats what it needs to get clean . So when you do much short distance it will get dirty very quickly and less power is what happens next and a thirsty engine .

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Sekhmet Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 24th September 2007 Location: Antemurale Christianitatis Posts: 123 Thanks: 5 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	I like nothing better then the sound of the VTEC engine

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TriXXXer Valve Cap Join Date: 7th October 2007 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	thats one vote for the petrol than iguess?

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czechplastik King of the rodeo Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th October 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 4,727 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	In terms of cost the diesel only makes sense if you do long distance driving, in time the reduced fuel costs will offset the initial higher purchase price. In everything else (other than the noise stakes) the diesel wins hand down. I bought it purely for the power and the way it drives.

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Munro Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 10th August 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 27 Thanked 24 Times in 20 Posts iTrader: (0)	This is down to personal preference. Have a look at this thread ! http://www.civinfo.com/forum/engines...-can-keep.html

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Korkut Varol Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 31st October 2006 Location: Ankara, Turkey Posts: 468 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Here in Turkey, the approximate break-even mileage is about 50000 km (30000 mi.) annual. Petrol is about 17% more expensive than diesel fuel. (our fuel prices are about 1,70€/lt for petrol and 1.45€/lt for diesel---I guess we are using the most expensive fuel in the world!) Including servicing costs etc., the calculation ends up with such a mileage over here.. Just wondered, how are such comparison figures for break-even mileages in other countries?

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HappyMan Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 16th August 2007 Location: Poland Posts: 3,601 Thanks: 30 Thanked 91 Times in 85 Posts iTrader: (0)	I had the same quandry as you regarding petrol v diesel. I chose petrol due to the fact that during my search for a new car I spoke to.....wait for it..... a very unhelpful toyota salesman whilst I was looking at the Rav4. Whilst he looked at me and my wife as if we were something on the bottom of his shoe he did talk a little bit of sense. He told us that there would be no visible benefit in buying a diesel if you did only 30,000km a year max. So when considering the Civic I asked the honda salesman about it and he confirmed the same message. Plus I have to say when I drove the cars I loved the sound of the petrol!

14th October 2007, 10:04	#8 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,634 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Petrol Pros: the sound is better than the diesel its cheaper to buy Diesel Cons: you can remap it to 180-190 bhp low down grunt Pottsy did a thread somewhere about how to work out which is cheaper in the long run, which included price of fuel, road tax and servicing For me, diesel works out cheaper anyway (25-30K miles per year), but even if it hadn't I would have gone diesel anyway

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illegalhunter RELOADING FOR ELK Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: FILLING THE HILLS WITH LEAD Posts: 3,235 Thanks: 7 Thanked 39 Times in 38 Posts iTrader: (0)	Decisions decisions

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jayt43 Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 27th June 2006 Location: Budapest Posts: 552 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	As helpful as everyone is on Civinfo, you need to take both cars out on a test drive! Certainly, the price premium for the diesel might not be worth it if you mainly drive short distances (and only 14,000km per year). But then again, you might prefer the increased torque of the diesel, or the refined nature of the i-Vtec (at low/medium revs). So, if you can, do your calculations and then try both on Monday. And, if you do go for the diesel, try to get get a decent discount to offset the higher sticker price (although you should also be aiming for a saving on the petrol version too).

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Type S Bournemouth Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 3rd October 2006 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 989 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Diesel. Its the best by far.

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cylon2007 Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 14th April 2007 Location: South Manchester/North Cheshire Posts: 572 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts iTrader: (0)	Diesel nuff said

14th October 2007, 13:59	#13 (permalink)
FWH Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 3rd June 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 6,469 Thanks: 20 Thanked 84 Times in 77 Posts iTrader: (0)	I am very happy with my petrol - but then I haven´t driven the diesel as it is not available here... Modern diesels are very nice, and the remap possibilty to "Type D" spec is valuable imo. As the others say - test drive both as much as possible.

14th October 2007, 14:56	#14 (permalink)
TriXXXer Valve Cap Join Date: 7th October 2007 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	wow allready 12 replies in half a day, civinfo people are superb !!! i think for me the main issue is budget wise since i only just started working, i dont want to take to much a weight on my budget you see i was just wondering what you would recommend me (i allready test drove both 2.2 diesel and 1.8i petrol, and liked the diesel better, seemed like a smoother car) .... knowing that : - i mostly take short trips from here to work ('bout 15 km) - take sometimes longer ones (bout 100-160km per trip) during weekends - yearly average is around 14000 km - yearly taxes for a diesel is about 45% more, insurance wise (since its 2.2) also quite a bit more expensive ... i just wonder, taking all costs (purchase and yearly) into account, what would be better option for me?

14th October 2007, 22:17	#17 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,634 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	decision with your head = petrol decision with your heart = diesel Its a tough choice, becuase if you buy the petrol, you will always be wonderring if perhaps you should have stretched that bit more for the diesel. But if you buy the diesel, you'll be thinking of the money you could have saved... (Actually, if you buy the diesel, you'll be too busy ing to worry about the money you could have saved ) But no - for the distance you are doing, and if budget is tight, then petrol probably is the more sensible choice

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czechplastik King of the rodeo Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th October 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 4,727 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	The debate will go on for a long time, only you know what is best for you and the only way to work that out is to drive them both.

15th October 2007, 03:36	#19 (permalink)
christophe Wheelnut Join Date: 12th February 2007 Posts: 87 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hi i'm from belgium and now driving an 1.8 petrol ,have had 2.2 diezel with dpf and not happy with it ,i could not do enough long distance and thats what it needs to get clean . So when you do much short distance it will get dirty very quickly and less power is what happens next and a thirsty engine .