Engine 1.8 or 2.2 - Very much confused

ukpm · 16th November 2007, 16:39

Hi,

I've just worked out a semi-done deal with a Honda dealer to trade my 2006 Focus ST2 11k mi, for a 2007 1.8 EX in Vivid Blue, 6k mi he's given me £14k for my ST and wants £14,500 for the Civic, he's included the first service on the Civic FOC too.

Does this sound like a good deal? The car was an ex-demo and looks to be in perfect condition inside and out.

I'm reasonably happy with the deal on that car, but my real dilemma is whether I shouldn't be going for the 2.2 diesel

My friend has the 2.2 in Sport trim, and I've driven it many times. It just seems as though you have to pay a lot more to get the diesel, and I'm telling myself that if money were no object I'd buy the 2.2 and not the 1.8.

Any opinions to add to my confusion are welcome!

HondaRob · 16th November 2007, 16:46

My opinion, for what its worth, is go Diesel.

The Petrol is a good unit (having had a go in one), but i suspect the Diesel will give a similar performance buzz as your ST2, albeit its not as quick.

If you'd rather thrash the undies off it, go for the 1.8 or Type R.

golly · 16th November 2007, 17:04

Personally I had a test drive in diesel then a petrol 1.8 a few months later - as much as I now don't need the petrol economy, I loved the performance of the diesel, felt like my old TT! Think the Civic diesel would be easier to sell on later as there does seem to be more petrols up for sale than diesels imho.

Myself i'm still Civic-less - driving in a Focus diesel at the moment, which I can assure you is no patch on the Civic either!

Good luck anyways!

Jack The Lad. · 16th November 2007, 17:12

Long debate on here regarding diesel v petrol.
Dont think it will ever be concluded, as each to his own.
I won't do enough miles to justify buying my Type S GT 2.2 diesel, with fuel costs offsetting the additional outlay, but I just love it. Never thought that I would buy a diesel, but now I am completely changed about them ( Honda One anyway).

TTDegs · 16th November 2007, 17:20

The single biggest argument for the 2.2 is simple - a remap

I loved the 1.8 that I test drove for a day - but I love the 2.2 more

But it is a very personal thing...

welly · 16th November 2007, 17:23

Has to be the 2.2 for me and if you ever get bored you can always get a re-map, an extra 50+ BHP and nigh on 100 more Torques for £375 or less.

ukpm · 16th November 2007, 17:38

Sounds like there's a divided opinion. I'm impressed with the 1.8, and I genuinely miss having a car you can thrash about! My last car a 1.6 Focus rewarded you when you revved it out too. The current ST doesn't like revving and the diesel is definately not meant for it...

...what does anyone think of the price for the 1.8 EX?

DeanFYoung · 16th November 2007, 17:40

Ah the debate rages still....

Firstly, that sounds like a good deal to me....

As for the diesel / petrol option, if it were my money (my Civ's a comp car) I would probably go for the petrol as ultimately I do prefer them, its much much quieter and for me, I think its unreasonable to pay such a price premium for the diesel. I paid 113.9p a litre for Diesel the other day and the milege I'm getting doesnt (for me) recoup the cost (given my milege).

But Welly makes a good point about the tunng...a very good point indeed

cb550 · 16th November 2007, 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by ukpm

Hi,

I've just worked out a semi-done deal with a Honda dealer to trade my 2006 Focus ST2 11k mi, for a 2007 1.8 EX in Vivid Blue, 6k mi he's given me £14k for my ST and wants £14,500 for the Civic, he's included the first service on the Civic FOC too.

Does this sound like a good deal? The car was an ex-demo and looks to be in perfect condition inside and out.

I'm reasonably happy with the deal on that car, but my real dilemma is whether I shouldn't be going for the 2.2 diesel

My friend has the 2.2 in Sport trim, and I've driven it many times. It just seems as though you have to pay a lot more to get the diesel, and I'm telling myself that if money were no object I'd buy the 2.2 and not the 1.8.

Any opinions to add to my confusion are welcome!

Its sometimes the case that only when you've ran a car for a while do you find out if its really the car for you.Was happy with my 2.2 ES,but came to the conclusion I perhaps wanted a more sporty drive that I suspected the type S had to offer.

Had my 2.2 Type S for approx 5 weeks and its the best move I've made.Brilliant looks,handling and the car feels quicker off the mark/mid range too.

I chose the Type S (not GT) simply because I did'nt want the glass roof again.Hav'nt driven the petrol (although have had a previous gen.ivtec type S),and for me its no question,the diesel every time.For anyone who does'nt need 5 doors,the 2.2 Type S is the one I'd definitelty recommend

.

HAMMY7387 · 16th November 2007, 18:42

Price seems not to bad but i have been in at arnold clark and there doing Type S ex demos for good prices

1.8- £13995
2.2-£14995

These are Not the gt

One i looked at was a red 1.8 and only had 82 miles on it.

ukpm · 16th November 2007, 21:19

So it looks as if that's not a bad price - considering it's an EX which is a high spec car in anyone's book.

Still I might ask the dealer on Monday if he can scan around for a 2.2 EX - if he doesn't find much it will maybe rule it out for now. I could always change!

Just wanted people opinions of the two engines and the deal in general.

Jack The Lad. · 16th November 2007, 21:28

Due to the waiting time for a 2.2 Type S gt with sat nav, I had 3 dealers searching their data base for a pre reg/ demo. They couldnt find one anywhere.
Reckon its a good deal for you on the part exchange for the EX mate.

ukpm · 16th November 2007, 22:25

I've just found another EX, but a 2.2 with only 3k miles instead of 6k, and it's only £500 more than the 1.8 I've been looking at. I think I'll need to mention it to my dealer. It's at another Honda dealer about 350 miles from mine though!

I wonder whether he'll be interested in trading with that dealer so I can buy that car instead? lol... I've no idea how dealers work with each other on these sorts of things.

Jack The Lad. · 16th November 2007, 22:35

Don't think that you will get the same turn round price though.
Part Exchange for the ST I mean.

HAMMY7387 · 16th November 2007, 22:51

Try contacting the other honda dealer and see what kinfd of deal they could do you. Might be worth the travelling for the car you want

TTDegs · 16th November 2007, 22:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by ukpm

I've just found another EX, but a 2.2 with only 3k miles instead of 6k, and it's only £500 more than the 1.8 I've been looking at. I think I'll need to mention it to my dealer. It's at another Honda dealer about 350 miles from mine though!

I wonder whether he'll be interested in trading with that dealer so I can buy that car instead? lol... I've no idea how dealers work with each other on these sorts of things.

depends if they are part of the same franchise group primarily I believe

although there is a definate case of 'scratch my back...'

so you might get lucky

fingers crossed for you

ukpm · 16th November 2007, 23:09

Interesting... I guess I can only ask my dealer locally and if he's not interested in doing something like that then I can fall back to contacting that dealer directly.
If nothing else comes of it at least it will put the wind up the local dealer and he might be tempted to sweeten the offer a little more.

I was thinking we could forget his free service, but also forget the £500 difference in the ST and Civic? lol

welly · 17th November 2007, 13:52

Might be worth asking if they will throw in Honda Care? That way they get the sale and your future business.

welly · 17th November 2007, 13:54

Double post

illegalhunter · 17th November 2007, 16:10

With price of fuel the 2.2 is a no brainer now.

16th November 2007, 16:39	#1 (permalink)
ukpm Wheelnut Join Date: 17th April 2007 Location: Holywood, Co. Down Posts: 93 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	1.8 or 2.2 - Very much confused Hi, I've just worked out a semi-done deal with a Honda dealer to trade my 2006 Focus ST2 11k mi, for a 2007 1.8 EX in Vivid Blue, 6k mi he's given me £14k for my ST and wants £14,500 for the Civic, he's included the first service on the Civic FOC too. Does this sound like a good deal? The car was an ex-demo and looks to be in perfect condition inside and out. I'm reasonably happy with the deal on that car, but my real dilemma is whether I shouldn't be going for the 2.2 diesel My friend has the 2.2 in Sport trim, and I've driven it many times. It just seems as though you have to pay a lot more to get the diesel, and I'm telling myself that if money were no object I'd buy the 2.2 and not the 1.8. Any opinions to add to my confusion are welcome!

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welly Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: Mossley, Lancs. Posts: 77 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Might be worth asking if they will throw in Honda Care? That way they get the sale and your future business. Last edited by welly; 17th November 2007 at 13:56.

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16th November 2007, 16:46	#2 (permalink)
HondaRob Wheelnut Join Date: 4th May 2007 Location: Midlands Posts: 85 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	My opinion, for what its worth, is go Diesel. The Petrol is a good unit (having had a go in one), but i suspect the Diesel will give a similar performance buzz as your ST2, albeit its not as quick. If you'd rather thrash the undies off it, go for the 1.8 or Type R.

16th November 2007, 17:04	#3 (permalink)
golly Valve Cap Join Date: 18th June 2006 Location: North West, Lancashire Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Personally I had a test drive in diesel then a petrol 1.8 a few months later - as much as I now don't need the petrol economy, I loved the performance of the diesel, felt like my old TT! Think the Civic diesel would be easier to sell on later as there does seem to be more petrols up for sale than diesels imho. Myself i'm still Civic-less - driving in a Focus diesel at the moment, which I can assure you is no patch on the Civic either! Good luck anyways!

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Jack The Lad. Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 1,906 Thanks: 8 Thanked 23 Times in 23 Posts iTrader: (0)	Long debate on here regarding diesel v petrol. Dont think it will ever be concluded, as each to his own. I won't do enough miles to justify buying my Type S GT 2.2 diesel, with fuel costs offsetting the additional outlay, but I just love it. Never thought that I would buy a diesel, but now I am completely changed about them ( Honda One anyway).

16th November 2007, 17:20	#5 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,634 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	The single biggest argument for the 2.2 is simple - a remap I loved the 1.8 that I test drove for a day - but I love the 2.2 more But it is a very personal thing...

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welly Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: Mossley, Lancs. Posts: 77 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Has to be the 2.2 for me and if you ever get bored you can always get a re-map, an extra 50+ BHP and nigh on 100 more Torques for £375 or less.

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ukpm Wheelnut Join Date: 17th April 2007 Location: Holywood, Co. Down Posts: 93 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Sounds like there's a divided opinion. I'm impressed with the 1.8, and I genuinely miss having a car you can thrash about! My last car a 1.6 Focus rewarded you when you revved it out too. The current ST doesn't like revving and the diesel is definately not meant for it... ...what does anyone think of the price for the 1.8 EX?

16th November 2007, 17:40	#8 (permalink)
DeanFYoung Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 19th June 2007 Location: Southampton Posts: 713 Thanks: 12 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts iTrader: (0)	Ah the debate rages still.... Firstly, that sounds like a good deal to me.... As for the diesel / petrol option, if it were my money (my Civ's a comp car) I would probably go for the petrol as ultimately I do prefer them, its much much quieter and for me, I think its unreasonable to pay such a price premium for the diesel. I paid 113.9p a litre for Diesel the other day and the milege I'm getting doesnt (for me) recoup the cost (given my milege). But Welly makes a good point about the tunng...a very good point indeed

16th November 2007, 18:42	#10 (permalink)
HAMMY7387 Civic owner soon Wheelnut Join Date: 28th May 2007 Location: Ayrshire Posts: 73 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Price seems not to bad but i have been in at arnold clark and there doing Type S ex demos for good prices 1.8- £13995 2.2-£14995 These are Not the gt One i looked at was a red 1.8 and only had 82 miles on it.

16th November 2007, 21:19	#11 (permalink)
ukpm Wheelnut Join Date: 17th April 2007 Location: Holywood, Co. Down Posts: 93 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	So it looks as if that's not a bad price - considering it's an EX which is a high spec car in anyone's book. Still I might ask the dealer on Monday if he can scan around for a 2.2 EX - if he doesn't find much it will maybe rule it out for now. I could always change! Just wanted people opinions of the two engines and the deal in general.

16th November 2007, 21:28	#12 (permalink)
Jack The Lad. Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 1,906 Thanks: 8 Thanked 23 Times in 23 Posts iTrader: (0)	Due to the waiting time for a 2.2 Type S gt with sat nav, I had 3 dealers searching their data base for a pre reg/ demo. They couldnt find one anywhere. Reckon its a good deal for you on the part exchange for the EX mate.

16th November 2007, 22:25	#13 (permalink)
ukpm Wheelnut Join Date: 17th April 2007 Location: Holywood, Co. Down Posts: 93 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I've just found another EX, but a 2.2 with only 3k miles instead of 6k, and it's only £500 more than the 1.8 I've been looking at. I think I'll need to mention it to my dealer. It's at another Honda dealer about 350 miles from mine though! I wonder whether he'll be interested in trading with that dealer so I can buy that car instead? lol... I've no idea how dealers work with each other on these sorts of things.

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Jack The Lad. Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 1,906 Thanks: 8 Thanked 23 Times in 23 Posts iTrader: (0)	Don't think that you will get the same turn round price though. Part Exchange for the ST I mean.

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HAMMY7387 Civic owner soon Wheelnut Join Date: 28th May 2007 Location: Ayrshire Posts: 73 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Try contacting the other honda dealer and see what kinfd of deal they could do you. Might be worth the travelling for the car you want

16th November 2007, 23:09	#17 (permalink)
ukpm Wheelnut Join Date: 17th April 2007 Location: Holywood, Co. Down Posts: 93 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Interesting... I guess I can only ask my dealer locally and if he's not interested in doing something like that then I can fall back to contacting that dealer directly. If nothing else comes of it at least it will put the wind up the local dealer and he might be tempted to sweeten the offer a little more. I was thinking we could forget his free service, but also forget the £500 difference in the ST and Civic? lol

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welly Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: Mossley, Lancs. Posts: 77 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Double post

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illegalhunter RELOADING FOR ELK Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: FILLING THE HILLS WITH LEAD Posts: 3,235 Thanks: 7 Thanked 39 Times in 38 Posts iTrader: (0)	With price of fuel the 2.2 is a no brainer now.