Swirls/Scratches

hak · 8th June 2008, 14:08

Hey all,

Just wanted to start a thread on swirls/scratches.Had the car 2 weeks.
I've spent a fortune on woolen mits,microfibre and all the meguiars gear.
Car is still a mess with tiny swirls scratches.As soon as i see the car in sun/street lamp it looks terrible.Is this NORMAL for others or am i just making a mess with my wash/wax technique.
Thinking i probably did it wish an over ambitous wax session.
Doing my head in......

Whats everyone think?

BTW I've got a Nightmare Black S

dave525 · 8th June 2008, 14:14

This has been covered in lots of posts
Heres one

http://www.civinfo.com/forum/cleanin...ghlight=swirls

allan40alt · 8th June 2008, 14:28

I had mine Supagarded (and I've used their top-up cream as well) but you still get swirls.

Have a look at the Bilt-Hamber Laboratories link in this thread.

http://www.civinfo.com/forum/cleanin...t-cut-wax.html

I had a good read and following the recommendations decided to order some. It appears to build up a protective coating. Looks good to me.

PS: Link is here: Bilt-Hamber Laboratories - Polish and Wax - Auto-balm

robbo51 · 8th June 2008, 14:36

Several coats of a good wax are the only way to prevent swirls, even then they are largely unavoidable.
The paint is incredibly soft, but after 12 months it does become harder.
Bilt-Hamber Auto-balm is a good starting point, then some good wax (Collinite 917)...or vice versa.
Apparantly B-H Auto-balm can be applied over wax

Robbieee · 8th June 2008, 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by robbo51

Several coats of a good wax are the only way to prevent swirls, even then they are largely unavoidable.
The paint is incredibly soft, but after 12 months it does become harder.
Bilt-Hamber Auto-balm is a good starting point, then some good wax (Collinite 917)...or vice versa.
Apparantly B-H Auto-balm can be applied over wax

915 Robbo, 915! hehehehe

SHADEMASTER · 8th June 2008, 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by hak

Hey all,

Just wanted to start a thread on swirls/scratches.Had the car 2 weeks.
I've spent a fortune on woolen mits,microfibre and all the meguiars gear.
Car is still a mess with tiny swirls scratches.As soon as i see the car in sun/street lamp it looks terrible.Is this NORMAL for others or am i just making a mess with my wash/wax technique.
Thinking i probably did it wish an over ambitous wax session.
Doing my head in......

Whats everyone think?

BTW I've got a Nightmare Black S

My last car was black (first and last black car

)
I had the same problem, i used black coloured polish (turtle wax or halfords own make) before waxing, that solved the swirls

illegalhunter · 8th June 2008, 19:36

I dont care how hard you try its mission impossible to keep it swirl free. Ive got hundreds of ££££££ worth of stuff. i 2 bucket wash dry still covered.

robbo51 · 8th June 2008, 20:12

Just ordered some Bilt Hamber Auto Balm..
Just to see what its like

Unknownsoldier · 8th June 2008, 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by illegalhunter

I dont care how hard you try its mission impossible to keep it swirl free. Ive got hundreds of ££££££ worth of stuff. i 2 bucket wash dry still covered.

I agree, I'm as careful as they come, even down to being downright anal in my attempts to keep it free from marks, no luck..................

Tom

gray52 · 8th June 2008, 23:00

when you got your cars from the dealers there were already covered in swirls, of some sort.

vince0118 · 8th June 2008, 23:19

I have just spent 4 hours washing and polishing my NHB Type R (had since Sept last year) and even after all the care in the wolrs, small swirl marks are still there but I have learnt to accept them otherwise I will go mad! I have my car supaguarded and used Supaguard's own brand concentrated car wash today, followed by Autoglym Ultimate Finish especially for black cars! Also had all the fancy microfibre cloths etc etc...car looks amazing but up close under street lighting there are still small swirl marks.....unavoidable mate

PJS · 8th June 2008, 23:22

Honda paint is soft, and some paints can take up to 6 months to full outgas, and cure.
That said, wash technique/regime is all important, but with the likes of AG SRP and BH AB, you should be able to mask any small swirls/scratches, and get it professionally polished once or twice a year to remove them.
Either that or invest in a machine polisher and pads/polishes, and do it yourself.
Black is one of the most difficult colours to keep looking showroom fresh, but it's not totally impossible.
Waxes/sealants/'expensive' treatments will not have any effect whatsoever on preventing the inevitable if you resort to dragging grit around on the surface.

f.ss.t · 9th June 2008, 01:53

in my opinion...our paint is the worst ive seen for the money spent...ive started getting spots of paint missing around the fuel cap where no stones go at all... the layer of paint- that i paid the extra 375 for NHB.... IS ABSOLUTELY PITIFUL... one day i think i will get a full respray if i havent got rid of the car , but it WONT be by Honda!

psykik · 9th June 2008, 03:07

Robbo pls put up some pics of a your collinite with B-H Auto-balm experiment

How does it compare to collinite alone?

robbo51 · 9th June 2008, 07:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by psykik

Robbo pls put up some pics of a your collinite with B-H Auto-balm experiment

How does it compare to collinite alone?

I will when I get it

allan40alt · 9th June 2008, 14:39

Here's my bonnet after one application of Bilt-Hamber Balm. Amazing stuff:

NoNumpty · 9th June 2008, 15:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by allan40alt

Here's my bonnet after one application of Bilt-Hamber Balm. Amazing stuff:

whooooaaa - that's amazing

8th June 2008, 14:08	#1 (permalink)
hak Valve Cap Join Date: 21st April 2008 Location: Dundee,Scotland Posts: 33 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Swirls/Scratches Hey all, Just wanted to start a thread on swirls/scratches.Had the car 2 weeks. I've spent a fortune on woolen mits,microfibre and all the meguiars gear. Car is still a mess with tiny swirls scratches.As soon as i see the car in sun/street lamp it looks terrible.Is this NORMAL for others or am i just making a mess with my wash/wax technique. Thinking i probably did it wish an over ambitous wax session. Doing my head in...... Whats everyone think? BTW I've got a Nightmare Black S

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dave525 Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 22nd November 2007 Location: Portishead Posts: 404 Thanks: 19 Thanked 23 Times in 23 Posts iTrader: (0)	This has been covered in lots of posts Heres one http://www.civinfo.com/forum/cleanin...ghlight=swirls

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allan40alt Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: England Posts: 2,253 Thanks: 13 Thanked 33 Times in 31 Posts iTrader: (0)	I had mine Supagarded (and I've used their top-up cream as well) but you still get swirls. Have a look at the Bilt-Hamber Laboratories link in this thread. http://www.civinfo.com/forum/cleanin...t-cut-wax.html I had a good read and following the recommendations decided to order some. It appears to build up a protective coating. Looks good to me. PS: Link is here: Bilt-Hamber Laboratories - Polish and Wax - Auto-balm

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robbo51 It's my fault! Civinfo guru Join Date: 1st July 2007 Location: Bingley, W.Yorks Posts: 3,874 Thanks: 66 Thanked 75 Times in 72 Posts iTrader: (0)	Several coats of a good wax are the only way to prevent swirls, even then they are largely unavoidable. The paint is incredibly soft, but after 12 months it does become harder. Bilt-Hamber Auto-balm is a good starting point, then some good wax (Collinite 917)...or vice versa. Apparantly B-H Auto-balm can be applied over wax

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illegalhunter RELOADING FOR ELK Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: FILLING THE HILLS WITH LEAD Posts: 3,235 Thanks: 7 Thanked 39 Times in 38 Posts iTrader: (0)	I dont care how hard you try its mission impossible to keep it swirl free. Ive got hundreds of ££££££ worth of stuff. i 2 bucket wash dry still covered.

8th June 2008, 20:12	#8 (permalink)
robbo51 It's my fault! Civinfo guru Join Date: 1st July 2007 Location: Bingley, W.Yorks Posts: 3,874 Thanks: 66 Thanked 75 Times in 72 Posts iTrader: (0)	Just ordered some Bilt Hamber Auto Balm.. Just to see what its like

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gray52 Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 23rd November 2006 Location: peterborough Posts: 962 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts iTrader: (3)	when you got your cars from the dealers there were already covered in swirls, of some sort.

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vince0118 Valve Cap Join Date: 31st October 2007 Location: St Albans, UK Posts: 43 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I have just spent 4 hours washing and polishing my NHB Type R (had since Sept last year) and even after all the care in the wolrs, small swirl marks are still there but I have learnt to accept them otherwise I will go mad! I have my car supaguarded and used Supaguard's own brand concentrated car wash today, followed by Autoglym Ultimate Finish especially for black cars! Also had all the fancy microfibre cloths etc etc...car looks amazing but up close under street lighting there are still small swirl marks.....unavoidable mate

8th June 2008, 23:22	#12 (permalink)
PJS Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 27th May 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 479 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts iTrader: (0)	Honda paint is soft, and some paints can take up to 6 months to full outgas, and cure. That said, wash technique/regime is all important, but with the likes of AG SRP and BH AB, you should be able to mask any small swirls/scratches, and get it professionally polished once or twice a year to remove them. Either that or invest in a machine polisher and pads/polishes, and do it yourself. Black is one of the most difficult colours to keep looking showroom fresh, but it's not totally impossible. Waxes/sealants/'expensive' treatments will not have any effect whatsoever on preventing the inevitable if you resort to dragging grit around on the surface.

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f.ss.t Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 10th September 2007 Location: liverpool Posts: 449 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts iTrader: (1)	in my opinion...our paint is the worst ive seen for the money spent...ive started getting spots of paint missing around the fuel cap where no stones go at all... the layer of paint- that i paid the extra 375 for NHB.... IS ABSOLUTELY PITIFUL... one day i think i will get a full respray if i havent got rid of the car , but it WONT be by Honda!

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psykik Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 28th April 2007 Posts: 475 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts iTrader: (0)	Robbo pls put up some pics of a your collinite with B-H Auto-balm experiment How does it compare to collinite alone?