Stonechips

milanoreds · 26th September 2007, 10:42

I have covered 2K in my 2.2 typeS Milanored & I'm a very careful driver,however I've aquired a pebble dashed front end,is it the paint or the the wedge shape that makes this car vunerable,I have more chips in 2K than 40K in my previous vehicle.

cylon2007 · 26th September 2007, 10:44

The paint on all modern cars is less resilient than it used to be as they are water based now not solvent based. Saying that the Honda does seem to suffer quite badly.

Jack The Lad. · 26th September 2007, 11:11

Sprinter will be doing a "How To" for stone chips, this weekend on here.
He runs a smart repair business.
I dont think anyone on here is without them mate, tis the charm of Honda.
Hang on till the weekend.

Kremmen · 26th September 2007, 12:00

I haven't suffered from stone chips anywhere near the 'pebbledashed' IS200 I had.

I am covering the same route at the same speeds that I did.

I wonder if the colour has anything to do with it? My Galaxy Grey has 6k on it now and there have only been 2 small chips that a quick dab of the touchup has cured.

I was told from another paint 'expert' that the best DIY solution is to put the paint into the chip with a toothpick until it is just proud of the surface. Give it a while to set, then put some Brasso on a JCloth or similar which is tightly wrapped round a lolly stick. That prevents you rubbing the Brasso into the surrounding paint and will only rub on the proud area of touchup if you are careful.

Brodick · 26th September 2007, 14:45

same colour as kremmen Galaxy Grey and almost same age but
only 2800 miles - no chips at all

robbo51 · 26th September 2007, 18:38

Red Turtle Wax Chip Stick has covered ALL mine. Cant see them!!

civicfan · 26th September 2007, 20:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by cylon2007

The paint on all modern cars is less resilient than it used to be as they are water based now not solvent based. Saying that the Honda does seem to suffer quite badly.

Is it possible that different colors are also different quality paint? I don´t have any problems with the paint after 13.000 km (some 4.000 of it at highways in Germany) - previously I had a Citroen and had several chips to repair, albeit after some 130.000 km. I think it may also be a question of how clean the roads are (in terms of sand particles etc.)

Munro · 28th September 2007, 09:27

To help minimise stone chips it is well worth not driving too close to the car in front, especially on Motorways / faster roads. The theory is if you are further back any stones thrown up from the car in front have more time to land back on the road. It is obviously good for braking distance safety as well !

The Honda soft paint is still a bit of a disapointment.

Unknownsoldier · 28th September 2007, 09:45

Apparently it has something to do with water based not only being slightly thinner, but also taking longer to fully cure, I found a good quality hard wax applied regularly helped to keep stone chips down on my BM.

Tom

Jack The Lad. · 30th September 2007, 19:13

So, where is Sprinter then. ?
Winters coming, so must do the chips soon.
Will have to take me 4" emulsion brush to them, if he doesn't hurry up.

sprinter12345 · 2nd October 2007, 19:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack The Lad.

So, where is Sprinter then. ?
Winters coming, so must do the chips soon.
Will have to take me 4" emulsion brush to them, if he doesn't hurry up.

Nice to know im talked about !!

Dont worry will do a thread at the weekend

Hope you can hang out till then

As for rust ...The honda is zinc dipped i think you may notice chips come up shaded grey///white ....
Pitty the laquer is not up to scratch ""

get it ""

Keep you guys posted ....

I hope still going manic

Oh well .....

Sprinter

sprinter12345 · 2nd October 2007, 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unknownsoldier

Apparently it has something to do with water based not only being slightly thinner, but also taking longer to fully cure, I found a good quality hard wax applied regularly helped to keep stone chips down on my BM.

Tom

I dont think the product did the trick but thats down to BM
They powder coat the laquer on

We have to purchase diamond cutting discs for the sander and extra course polishing compound to renevate slight scuffs from the BM range of vehicles and i must say its a pitty every other maker dont supply this finish as its the best "oh well eventually

"..........

All the best sprinter..

Unknownsoldier · 2nd October 2007, 20:17

Didn't know that, I've always just hard waxed it as I was told that it was good to reduce them. Would a second (or maybe third) coat of 'laquer' applied by a paint shop etc. help do you think????

Tom

sprinter12345 · 2nd October 2007, 20:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unknownsoldier

Didn't know that, I've always just hard waxed it as I was told that it was good to reduce them. Would a second (or maybe third) coat of 'laquer' applied by a paint shop etc. help do you think????

Tom

Defo not as what will you apply to ???
The problem before ///

As for honda paint defects ////
Dont want to start a fued ...But most ....Ok tell the basics

The most things with company manufacturers is "COST"
Basicly
All companys will use certain laquer grades
MS medium solid ....Cheaply produced and at the minute the norm
Around £150 for a gallon
HS high solids ...Like hob nail boot stuff takes longer to go off and extremely sometimes prone to shelling off if not apllied properly ...
And can cost a mint !!!

Most companys go down the same route ...Cost?
The honda is a good vehicle but through example of whats on the market you have to make cost cuts ??

The only thing to stop stone chips is NEVER as now the green house laws have taken over and ...We have to suck and ccccc /////"sorry"""/////But thats the EU law now ...water base and what ever they produce on manufacture of the vehicle ......
As for helping the stone chip problem its a touch up stick ...
Untill all makers realise this problem ...........

All the best

gmp · 1st November 2007, 12:14

I have never had a car that was susceptable to stone chips on the bonnet as my civic blue es.Have had thickness checked by dealer(touched surface with what looked like a mobile phone) readings varied from 106 microns to 132 microns across the bonnet-the thickest area was at centre at back.This was evidently within tolerance,but does not make feel better when I keep having to touch chips up!Incidently the guy checked aan accord boot lid as he went past it and that showed 106 microns ( and that is made in japan I think?)

Kremmen · 1st November 2007, 12:18

Years ago, repaired roads were properly finished off.

These days, they leave the "loose chippings" for all to fall foul to.

I've got a few chips that I am dealing with as and when

Jack The Lad. · 1st November 2007, 19:43

A bit off topic, but still about stones, from poorly repaired roads these days.
I have a quarter arc scratch on the windscreen, where the offside wiper blade has picked up a small piece of chipping and carried it across the screen, obviously whilst driving in the rain.
About 3/4 of its length, cannot be felt by running my nail over it.
I have posted before, that I have used pure diamond paste, obtained from my glazing suppliers, for polishing out scratches on car glass roofs etc and its brilliant, but I am a bit iffy, if I should use it on the screen. Lowering the level even by a few microns, could distort the view, with light refraction and all that.
Any ideas lads. Auto windscreens or the like must polish down the glass after they have repaired a chip. ???
Couldnt stand the hassle of a new screen, as bound to b-gger up some other part of the car in the process

.

Kremmen · 2nd November 2007, 07:40

Quote:

Auto windscreens or the like must polish down the glass after they have repaired a chip. ???

I've had a few chips repaired by them in the past and they clean the area, put in their resin, smooth it as best they can, then apply the UV light to set it, then finish off with a sharp razor blade to remove any excess.

First one was a disaster and started turning brown but the second was a superb job and was almost invisible unless you knew that area had been repaired.

All down to the operator as usual.

Jack The Lad. · 2nd November 2007, 19:20

Took an hour or so scive from my office today and decided to have a go at me windscreen scratch posted above.
Have completely removed about 3/4 of it and no sign of viewing distortion through the screen.
I will use masking tape tomorrow, to section off a 5mm length of the deeper scratch remaining, as a fair few microns, will have to be polished down to get rid of that .
Brilliant stuff, for polishing out light scratches on all glass, including the glass roof, but never gone this far with it before.

Jack The Lad. · 2nd November 2007, 20:54

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26th September 2007, 10:42	#1 (permalink)
milanoreds Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 2nd August 2007 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Stonechips I have covered 2K in my 2.2 typeS Milanored & I'm a very careful driver,however I've aquired a pebble dashed front end,is it the paint or the the wedge shape that makes this car vunerable,I have more chips in 2K than 40K in my previous vehicle.

28th September 2007, 09:27	#8 (permalink)
Munro Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 10th August 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,071 Thanks: 24 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts	To help minimise stone chips it is well worth not driving too close to the car in front, especially on Motorways / faster roads. The theory is if you are further back any stones thrown up from the car in front have more time to land back on the road. It is obviously good for braking distance safety as well ! The Honda soft paint is still a bit of a disapointment. Last edited by Munro; 28th September 2007 at 16:45.

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Jack The Lad. Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 1,552 Thanks: 1 Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts	A bit off topic, but still about stones, from poorly repaired roads these days. I have a quarter arc scratch on the windscreen, where the offside wiper blade has picked up a small piece of chipping and carried it across the screen, obviously whilst driving in the rain. About 3/4 of its length, cannot be felt by running my nail over it. I have posted before, that I have used pure diamond paste, obtained from my glazing suppliers, for polishing out scratches on car glass roofs etc and its brilliant, but I am a bit iffy, if I should use it on the screen. Lowering the level even by a few microns, could distort the view, with light refraction and all that. Any ideas lads. Auto windscreens or the like must polish down the glass after they have repaired a chip. ??? Couldnt stand the hassle of a new screen, as bound to b-gger up some other part of the car in the process.

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26th September 2007, 10:44	#2 (permalink)
cylon2007 Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 14th April 2007 Location: South Manchester/North Cheshire Posts: 469 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	The paint on all modern cars is less resilient than it used to be as they are water based now not solvent based. Saying that the Honda does seem to suffer quite badly.

26th September 2007, 11:11	#3 (permalink)
Jack The Lad. Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 1,552 Thanks: 1 Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts	Sprinter will be doing a "How To" for stone chips, this weekend on here. He runs a smart repair business. I dont think anyone on here is without them mate, tis the charm of Honda. Hang on till the weekend.

26th September 2007, 12:00	#4 (permalink)
Kremmen Krem de la Krem Civinfo guru Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: West London Posts: 2,577 Thanks: 7 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts	I haven't suffered from stone chips anywhere near the 'pebbledashed' IS200 I had. I am covering the same route at the same speeds that I did. I wonder if the colour has anything to do with it? My Galaxy Grey has 6k on it now and there have only been 2 small chips that a quick dab of the touchup has cured. I was told from another paint 'expert' that the best DIY solution is to put the paint into the chip with a toothpick until it is just proud of the surface. Give it a while to set, then put some Brasso on a JCloth or similar which is tightly wrapped round a lolly stick. That prevents you rubbing the Brasso into the surrounding paint and will only rub on the proud area of touchup if you are careful.

26th September 2007, 14:45	#5 (permalink)
Brodick Perfect Guy! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 2nd December 2006 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 1,706 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	same colour as kremmen Galaxy Grey and almost same age but only 2800 miles - no chips at all

26th September 2007, 18:38	#6 (permalink)
robbo51 On holiday!! Civinfo guru Join Date: 1st July 2007 Location: Bingley, W.Yorks Posts: 3,092 Thanks: 47 Thanked 40 Times in 37 Posts	Red Turtle Wax Chip Stick has covered ALL mine. Cant see them!!

28th September 2007, 09:45	#9 (permalink)
Unknownsoldier Comedian/Smart Ase Civinfo guru* Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 2,422 Thanks: 47 Thanked 26 Times in 24 Posts	Apparently it has something to do with water based not only being slightly thinner, but also taking longer to fully cure, I found a good quality hard wax applied regularly helped to keep stone chips down on my BM. Tom

30th September 2007, 19:13	#10 (permalink)
Jack The Lad. Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 1,552 Thanks: 1 Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts	So, where is Sprinter then. ? Winters coming, so must do the chips soon. Will have to take me 4" emulsion brush to them, if he doesn't hurry up.

2nd October 2007, 20:17	#13 (permalink)
Unknownsoldier Comedian/Smart Ase Civinfo guru* Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 2,422 Thanks: 47 Thanked 26 Times in 24 Posts	Didn't know that, I've always just hard waxed it as I was told that it was good to reduce them. Would a second (or maybe third) coat of 'laquer' applied by a paint shop etc. help do you think???? Tom

1st November 2007, 12:14	#15 (permalink)
gmp Wheelnut Join Date: 22nd March 2007 Posts: 62 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have never had a car that was susceptable to stone chips on the bonnet as my civic blue es.Have had thickness checked by dealer(touched surface with what looked like a mobile phone) readings varied from 106 microns to 132 microns across the bonnet-the thickest area was at centre at back.This was evidently within tolerance,but does not make feel better when I keep having to touch chips up!Incidently the guy checked aan accord boot lid as he went past it and that showed 106 microns ( and that is made in japan I think?)

1st November 2007, 12:18	#16 (permalink)
Kremmen Krem de la Krem Civinfo guru Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: West London Posts: 2,577 Thanks: 7 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts	Years ago, repaired roads were properly finished off. These days, they leave the "loose chippings" for all to fall foul to. I've got a few chips that I am dealing with as and when

2nd November 2007, 19:20	#19 (permalink)
Jack The Lad. Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 1,552 Thanks: 1 Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts	Took an hour or so scive from my office today and decided to have a go at me windscreen scratch posted above. Have completely removed about 3/4 of it and no sign of viewing distortion through the screen. I will use masking tape tomorrow, to section off a 5mm length of the deeper scratch remaining, as a fair few microns, will have to be polished down to get rid of that . Brilliant stuff, for polishing out light scratches on all glass, including the glass roof, but never gone this far with it before.