AC/Heater: Two electronics issues

3rd Honda · 2nd November 2006, 18:56

The first is related to the wash/wipe:

When I operate the wash wipe - the wash operates (and sprays straight into the wiper arm) but the wipers don't operate always - sometimes do - sometimes don't! Anyone else get this?

Second relates to heated rear window/mirrors:

On the last few (frosty) mornings - I note that the hrw and heated mirrors come on without being switched on - is this thermostatically operated? - Or does it happen always - but I just usually don't notice as they have nothing showing unless there is a frost? The pilot LED on the dash button does NOT illuminate - yet the window has the telltale lined melting pattern, and the mirrors get warm. Again - anyone else noticed this - or does mine have a fault and they are on all the time?

MC Hammer · 2nd November 2006, 19:16

The washer jets should hit the screen and not the wiper arm, after a few seconds of spraying the wipers should activate for 2 or 3 strokes.

As the heated rear screen and mirrors switch off after 30 mins, they shouldn't be on all the time. Do they switch on as normal? and the LED light up? Anyway if the mirrors get warm I'd say something isn't right, let the dealer check it out before you get a flat battery.

Bungle · 2nd November 2006, 19:35

The jets do need adjusting. Mine lets me do a very breif wash without activating the wipers, but I am talking a fraction of a second, no more.

The heaters is interesting. My first thought was that it was linked to the temp sensor and automaticlly comes on under a certain temperature to get rid of fog or ice. Not so sure now. Hmmmm........

3rd Honda · 2nd November 2006, 20:06

On the heated mirrors/rear window - they have always operated normally under manual control - i.e. LED in button comes on, rear window demists, and all goes off either after about 30 mins or when button pushed.

But on a cold morning - no LED on button, mirrors warm, window definitely operates, and I think it all goes off after a few minutes, but not certain of that as with no LED, its quite hard to tell as mirrors get cooled by air flow etc.

I did think it only happened when defrost selected for front screen, but this is not so - as this evening operated - but I never set front screen defrost at all.

I'm not that worried about a flat battery as it definitely goes off with key off.

TTDegs · 2nd November 2006, 20:59

IF the heated mirrors is a red herring...

then (schoolboy physics here, so probably wrong!!) possibly the rear window is convaying the interior heat of the car.

Possibly the lines of the window where the elements are convect the heat slightly better than the 'solid' glass - meaning that the ice starts to melt over the top of the elements first.

possibly

maybe

er.
dunno really, but it sounded good in my head before I started typing!

3rd Honda · 2nd November 2006, 21:09

No - 'fraid not TT Degs - mirror noticeably warm, and window defrosting as I scraped side windows - too fast for that!

WoolyCiv · 2nd November 2006, 23:15

On my previous car (Rover 75) the rear demister and wing mirror demisters came on automatically when the temperature was below 5 degrees (If I remember correctly) for about 15 minutes.

TTDegs · 2nd November 2006, 23:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3rd Honda

No - 'fraid not TT Degs - mirror noticeably warm, and window defrosting as I scraped side windows - too fast for that!

and it was such a good theory too!

dunno then, sorry - but I'll keep an eye out

It's a bit nippy out there at the mo, so might get a frost tonight...

MC Hammer · 3rd November 2006, 00:16

I'll try mine in the morning and see what happens, it's covered in frost already so should be cold enough.

3rd Honda · 3rd November 2006, 05:36

Thanks to all in advance for 'looking' at theirs today.

karlak · 3rd November 2006, 06:03

Did you have the heater controls set to Windscreen, perhaps it assumes that you would also require the rear screen demisting ?

Copycat · 3rd November 2006, 07:18

Will check this tomorrow morning. I must say I haven't noticed anything to suggest they turn on automatically, but I usually start the car and press the button right after that. Like I said I'll try it tomorrow or if the weather is right - today.

mike222 · 3rd November 2006, 16:46

Does every body see the display for Ice warning on thier dash ? Last two mornings it has been below freezing , ( the outside temp seems display OK ) But I was expecting the picture as shown on page 101 of the hand book

3rd Honda · 3rd November 2006, 16:57

Firstly - yes - I do get the ice warning, but at 3 degrees C - and I think if you actually start below that - you may not get it - certainly I've seen it as temp has fallen to 3.

The mirrors/HRW - came on again today - not set to defrost on front screen, and stay on for about 5 minutes.

Must be temperature controlled I think.

Kpow99 · 3rd November 2006, 17:54

I got the message, it should come up for any temp below 3c

TTDegs · 3rd November 2006, 18:57

mine was at 1C on the dash, but didn't notice any warning...

but possibly because I was watching the rear window defrost all by itself

which is rather cool (sorry

)

Got in, turned the engine on, didn't touch any other buttons, and the frost on the back started melting

Maldax · 3rd November 2006, 19:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by MC Hammer

I'll try mine in the morning and see what happens, it's covered in frost already so should be cold enough.

Well what are you waiting for!!! off you go

EDIT: Didn't see the time of the post

MC Hammer · 3rd November 2006, 19:32

Well it worked with no button pushing or LED on, I don't know for how long but it cleared the rear screen and the mirrors.
A great touch and well thought of.

Copycat · 4th November 2006, 08:33

Tried this yesterday. The whole car was covered in a thin layer of snow. Started the car and left it running while I brushed most of the snow off of the car. Then left it for another five minutes and still nothing at all happened to the snow on the rear window.

Will have to try again when it's actually frosted and not just covered in snow but so far no such function detected.

You who have seen this happen, is your car an EX?

TTDegs · 6th November 2006, 00:10

Mine did it, and yes, it's an EX

How cold was it showing on your dash?

2nd November 2006, 18:56	#1 (permalink)
3rd Honda Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 24th July 2006 Location: Tewkesbury Posts: 325 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Two electronics issues The first is related to the wash/wipe: When I operate the wash wipe - the wash operates (and sprays straight into the wiper arm) but the wipers don't operate always - sometimes do - sometimes don't! Anyone else get this? Second relates to heated rear window/mirrors: On the last few (frosty) mornings - I note that the hrw and heated mirrors come on without being switched on - is this thermostatically operated? - Or does it happen always - but I just usually don't notice as they have nothing showing unless there is a frost? The pilot LED on the dash button does NOT illuminate - yet the window has the telltale lined melting pattern, and the mirrors get warm. Again - anyone else noticed this - or does mine have a fault and they are on all the time?

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2nd November 2006, 19:16	#2 (permalink)
MC Hammer 5 seats are a must! Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 16th June 2006 Location: UK Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The washer jets should hit the screen and not the wiper arm, after a few seconds of spraying the wipers should activate for 2 or 3 strokes. As the heated rear screen and mirrors switch off after 30 mins, they shouldn't be on all the time. Do they switch on as normal? and the LED light up? Anyway if the mirrors get warm I'd say something isn't right, let the dealer check it out before you get a flat battery.

2nd November 2006, 19:35	#3 (permalink)
Bungle Rocketship door handle Join Date: 3rd July 2006 Location: SE London/Kent Posts: 1,217 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The jets do need adjusting. Mine lets me do a very breif wash without activating the wipers, but I am talking a fraction of a second, no more. The heaters is interesting. My first thought was that it was linked to the temp sensor and automaticlly comes on under a certain temperature to get rid of fog or ice. Not so sure now. Hmmmm........

2nd November 2006, 20:06	#4 (permalink)
3rd Honda Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 24th July 2006 Location: Tewkesbury Posts: 325 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	On the heated mirrors/rear window - they have always operated normally under manual control - i.e. LED in button comes on, rear window demists, and all goes off either after about 30 mins or when button pushed. But on a cold morning - no LED on button, mirrors warm, window definitely operates, and I think it all goes off after a few minutes, but not certain of that as with no LED, its quite hard to tell as mirrors get cooled by air flow etc. I did think it only happened when defrost selected for front screen, but this is not so - as this evening operated - but I never set front screen defrost at all. I'm not that worried about a flat battery as it definitely goes off with key off.

2nd November 2006, 20:59	#5 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	IF the heated mirrors is a red herring... then (schoolboy physics here, so probably wrong!!) possibly the rear window is convaying the interior heat of the car. Possibly the lines of the window where the elements are convect the heat slightly better than the 'solid' glass - meaning that the ice starts to melt over the top of the elements first. possibly maybe er. dunno really, but it sounded good in my head before I started typing!

2nd November 2006, 21:09	#6 (permalink)
3rd Honda Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 24th July 2006 Location: Tewkesbury Posts: 325 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No - 'fraid not TT Degs - mirror noticeably warm, and window defrosting as I scraped side windows - too fast for that!

2nd November 2006, 23:15	#7 (permalink)
WoolyCiv 12th June 2006 1.8EX Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th May 2006 Location: Lancashire Posts: 1,118 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	On my previous car (Rover 75) the rear demister and wing mirror demisters came on automatically when the temperature was below 5 degrees (If I remember correctly) for about 15 minutes.

3rd November 2006, 00:16	#9 (permalink)
MC Hammer 5 seats are a must! Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 16th June 2006 Location: UK Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'll try mine in the morning and see what happens, it's covered in frost already so should be cold enough.

3rd November 2006, 05:36	#10 (permalink)
3rd Honda Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 24th July 2006 Location: Tewkesbury Posts: 325 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks to all in advance for 'looking' at theirs today.

3rd November 2006, 06:03	#11 (permalink)
karlak Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 3rd June 2006 Posts: 432 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Did you have the heater controls set to Windscreen, perhaps it assumes that you would also require the rear screen demisting ?

3rd November 2006, 07:18	#12 (permalink)
Copycat Galaxy class starship Rocketship door handle Join Date: 5th May 2006 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1,049 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Will check this tomorrow morning. I must say I haven't noticed anything to suggest they turn on automatically, but I usually start the car and press the button right after that. Like I said I'll try it tomorrow or if the weather is right - today.

3rd November 2006, 16:46	#13 (permalink)
mike222 Valve Cap Join Date: 19th May 2006 Location: Worcestershire Posts: 40 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Does every body see the display for Ice warning on thier dash ? Last two mornings it has been below freezing , ( the outside temp seems display OK ) But I was expecting the picture as shown on page 101 of the hand book

3rd November 2006, 16:57	#14 (permalink)
3rd Honda Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 24th July 2006 Location: Tewkesbury Posts: 325 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Firstly - yes - I do get the ice warning, but at 3 degrees C - and I think if you actually start below that - you may not get it - certainly I've seen it as temp has fallen to 3. The mirrors/HRW - came on again today - not set to defrost on front screen, and stay on for about 5 minutes. Must be temperature controlled I think.

3rd November 2006, 17:54	#15 (permalink)
Kpow99 Explosive Mind Unleashed Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th May 2006 Location: London Posts: 535 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I got the message, it should come up for any temp below 3c

3rd November 2006, 18:57	#16 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	mine was at 1C on the dash, but didn't notice any warning... but possibly because I was watching the rear window defrost all by itself which is rather cool (sorry ) Got in, turned the engine on, didn't touch any other buttons, and the frost on the back started melting

3rd November 2006, 19:32	#18 (permalink)
MC Hammer 5 seats are a must! Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 16th June 2006 Location: UK Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well it worked with no button pushing or LED on, I don't know for how long but it cleared the rear screen and the mirrors. A great touch and well thought of.

4th November 2006, 08:33	#19 (permalink)
Copycat Galaxy class starship Rocketship door handle Join Date: 5th May 2006 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1,049 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tried this yesterday. The whole car was covered in a thin layer of snow. Started the car and left it running while I brushed most of the snow off of the car. Then left it for another five minutes and still nothing at all happened to the snow on the rear window. Will have to try again when it's actually frosted and not just covered in snow but so far no such function detected. You who have seen this happen, is your car an EX?

6th November 2006, 00:10	#20 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mine did it, and yes, it's an EX How cold was it showing on your dash?