VSA VSA (ESP) why would you turn off? - Page 2

lippy · 11th February 2007, 20:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by TTDegs

lippy - should that be 'don't turn VSA off ifyou have the space saver wheel fitted' ?

No!!!!!!

They definitely said turn it off if you have a space saver wheel fitted because of uneven wheel sizes.... does that make sense to you engineers (or whatever) out there. Did they tell me wrong????????

MrEd · 11th February 2007, 20:48

i dont turn mine off in all honesty it isnt very intursive if u know wat i mean so i leave it be.

czechplastik · 11th February 2007, 20:53

I'm almost afraid to turn it off, especially at this time of the year, it seems to work really well and as a safety feature its excellent.

TTDegs · 12th February 2007, 00:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by lippy

No!!!!!!

They definitely said turn it off if you have a space saver wheel fitted because of uneven wheel sizes.... does that make sense to you engineers (or whatever) out there. Did they tell me wrong????????

my ooops lippy - sorry - confused myself with the double negatives

Barryjm · 19th February 2007, 16:27

Turned mine off trying to get up a hill in the snow, the engine just cut the revs! Unfortunately, the car (or my driving) didn't improve much with it switched off. Does traction control continue to operate even when VSA is off? I saw very little difference getting up the hill.

The 5 men pushing made quite a difference though!!!

defrece · 13th January 2008, 04:23

The whole point of the system is to gain traction and aid stability, so in my opinion this type of system is most needed in the snow/ice!
Think the big problem is not this system, but drivers not knowing how to drive in snow/ice, i.e. highest possible gear up-hill with very few revs, lowest possible gear down-hill. The amount of people who think the answer to driving up-hill in snow is to 'spin the wheels until you get traction' is alarming! this just turns the roads to ice and causes accidents!!
A few weeks ago we had a fair amount of snow and i drove on some quite steep untreated roads and didnt encounter any problems with the car not going up-hill with the system on!!
By the way not a grumpy old man, but a 24 year old who enjoys driving!!

civicfan · 13th January 2008, 08:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by defrece

The whole point of the system is to gain traction and aid stability, so in my opinion this type of system is most needed in the snow/ice!
Think the big problem is not this system, but drivers not knowing how to drive in snow/ice, i.e. highest possible gear up-hill with very few revs, lowest possible gear down-hill. The amount of people who think the answer to driving up-hill in snow is to 'spin the wheels until you get traction' is alarming! this just turns the roads to ice and causes accidents!!
A few weeks ago we had a fair amount of snow and i drove on some quite steep untreated roads and didnt encounter any problems with the car not going up-hill with the system on!!
By the way not a grumpy old man, but a 24 year old who enjoys driving!!

Believe me you can get into a situation (uphill + slippery) where you may have to turn ESP off or your engine will die down - admittedly in rather off-road situations not likely for the Civic to encounter. The "normal" situation for any FWD car should be ESP on, of course. AFAIK if you turn it off it will switch itself back on when you exceed the speed of 50 km/h

FWH · 13th January 2008, 11:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by defrece

The whole point of the system is to gain traction and aid stability, so in my opinion this type of system is most needed in the snow/ice!
Think the big problem is not this system, but drivers not knowing how to drive in snow/ice, i.e. highest possible gear up-hill with very few revs, lowest possible gear down-hill. The amount of people who think the answer to driving up-hill in snow is to 'spin the wheels until you get traction' is alarming! this just turns the roads to ice and causes accidents!!
A few weeks ago we had a fair amount of snow and i drove on some quite steep untreated roads and didnt encounter any problems with the car not going up-hill with the system on!!
By the way not a grumpy old man, but a 24 year old who enjoys driving!!

When driving (at speed) on snow and ice, yes keep it on.

But, if you are stuck (at a stand still) on some very slippery situation, you may need to turn it off.

You can read more about the VSA in the Wiki.
VSA - Civinfo Wiki

beef4dinner · 16th January 2008, 14:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by lippy

No!!!!!!

They definitely said turn it off if you have a space saver wheel fitted because of uneven wheel sizes.... does that make sense to you engineers (or whatever) out there. Did they tell me wrong????????

They are right, if you have different diameter wheels, the axles will spin at different rates to each other and the car will think the wheel is spinning.

On BMW's when they have run flats you have a setting that monitors the reletive speed of each wheel and decides whether you have a puncture or not, as it can be quite difficult to tell otherwise.

Dave 111s · 16th January 2008, 15:42

Hmm - thinks

'It's fun to turn it off so that you can get the car into a nice drift around the bends lifting the inside rear wheel - only to be tried in the dry mind you!!'

I just said that out loud didn't I?

Maldax · 16th January 2008, 17:42

A mate had to turn his off today (not on a civic) driving through a flood

GHGH · 23rd March 2008, 15:56

Last Wednesday:
Didn't manage to climb this hill with VSA.
With VSA turned off : No problem.
Also noted that it wouldn't switch off when it was working (blinking triangle) - had to wait to it was finished stopping my car.

SkaterNatty · 28th March 2008, 12:14

Hi guys

I current have (changing to Civic tomorrow

) an Ibiza Cupra PD160 with a revo remap to 200PS. Ive always turned off my TC since the day it almost put me into a roundabout I was 'making progress' round. I think it takes the fun out of driving if you can't drive it fully.

Natty

ps - I will let you know what I think of VSA once I've played over the weekend.

Guitaralmond · 28th March 2008, 12:23

I like turning it off every so often when I pull of from a set of lights, so my tyres make a big screching noise

Unbelievable thing to have on your side in the wet though

Harlequin · 28th March 2008, 13:02

Are you guys aware of the "Launch Control" feature in the Type-R? I don't think it's in the manual and I haven't seen anyone mention it in any of the forums...

My dealer told me about it and it works like a charm... Lots of fun too...

NEEMSTAR · 28th March 2008, 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harlequin

Are you guys aware of the "Launch Control" feature in the Type-R? I don't think it's in the manual and I haven't seen anyone mention it in any of the forums...

My dealer told me about it and it works like a charm... Lots of fun too...

liar

no launch control

Harlequin · 28th March 2008, 13:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEEMSTAR

liar

no launch control

Maybe we have different definitions...

If you turn off VSA, put the handbrake on, put the clutch in, stick the car in 1st, and flatten the accelerator then the revlimiter will cut in at 4500RPM.

You then let go the handbreak and drop the clutch and the thing takes off like you shot it out of a cannon...

This to me seems like a kind of launch control... if only because of the behaviour of the revlimiter....

NEEMSTAR · 28th March 2008, 13:12

hmm i guess its some kind of launch control harlequin

although im led to believe its main purpose is so that you dont wreck your engine, Vtec will not engage in neutral or standstill

Harlequin · 28th March 2008, 13:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEEMSTAR

hmm i guess its some kind of launch control harlequin

although im led to believe its main purpose is so that you dont wreck your engine, Vtec will not engage in neutral or standstill

.. I see what you're saying but they wouldn't necessarily need to utilise the revlimiter to achieve this - evidenced by the fact that VTEC does not cut in at all while the engine is cold...

-H

TTDegs · 28th March 2008, 13:17

blimey!

I wouldn't fancy dumping 4,500revs through my clutch from standstill!

My TT had a LC feature (it was the DSG version)
(left) foot on brake
ESP (VSA) off
gearbox into Sport
(right) foot gas pedal to the floor
revs stopped at 3,500
lift left foot
hang on!

And that was with 250 bhp

28th March 2008, 12:14	#33 (permalink)
SkaterNatty Valve Cap Join Date: 26th March 2008 Location: Geordie in Cheshire Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hi guys I current have (changing to Civic tomorrow ) an Ibiza Cupra PD160 with a revo remap to 200PS. Ive always turned off my TC since the day it almost put me into a roundabout I was 'making progress' round. I think it takes the fun out of driving if you can't drive it fully. Natty ps - I will let you know what I think of VSA once I've played over the weekend. Last edited by SkaterNatty; 28th March 2008 at 12:15. Reason: Added bit about Civic

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