Satnav Sat Nav - French points of interest

[Ancient Nerd]

Originally Posted by Pottsy

variable constant called "error".

Now that is a really interesting concept, a bit like Honda's idea of Nearest Pub.

[DUNCAN]

satnav well out of date.by 3years .driveing in wales.looking for petrol station???satnav will find one, first 10 pertrol stations all caravan sales for last 3years. got 2006 car want 2006 satnav.

[Parky]

Originally Posted by karlak

Hmmm !! Not good news on the SAT NAV.

Curiously though I checked on the NAVTEQ website and they do not acknowledge that they provide maps for Honda in Europe ?? It may just be a website issue though.


http://www.navteq.com/ProductFinder?...continentId=EU

I contacted Navtec a few weeks ago to ask about an update for the Civic and they said that they did not supply Honda for the Civic.

Ian

[Pottsy]

Originally Posted by Parky

I contacted Navtec a few weeks ago to ask about an update for the Civic and they said that they did not supply Honda for the Civic.

Bizarre. In the manual, it clearly says Navteq (and on the DVD IIRC). Having had Garmin GPS (Navteq) and Tomtom (Teleatlas) I found the roads to be much more up to date with Navteq, amazing though it may seem!

http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/module...ight=map#54438

[karlak]

Not having got my EX yet (and now wondering whether I will bother with an ineffectual Sat Nav, and a HFT elephone that is useless). Can someone explain how the SatNav loads? It seems that the majority of the extra features on the EX do not do what they state in the brochure.

My Wifes X-trail has a SatNav (Very good I might add - Can even find a Mcdonalds that is local ). To do a cold start it has 2 disks. The first is what seems like a software/firmware disk, this loads, and then asks for the 2nd disk which is a Map disk. Once done the Map disk is left in the Sat unit, and is not required again. A good idea me thinks, as an update for both the software and the map could be produced seperatley.

Does the Honda have this principal i.e. 2 disks ?

[Parky]

Originally Posted by karlak

Not having got my EX yet (and now wondering whether I will bother with an ineffectual Sat Nav, and a HFT elephone that is useless). Can someone explain how the SatNav loads? It seems that the majority of the extra features on the EX do not do what they state in the brochure.

My Wifes X-trail has a SatNav (Very good I might add - Can even find a Mcdonalds that is local ). To do a cold start it has 2 disks. The first is what seems like a software/firmware disk, this loads, and then asks for the 2nd disk which is a Map disk. Once done the Map disk is left in the Sat unit, and is not required again. A good idea me thinks, as an update for both the software and the map could be produced seperatley.

Does the Honda have this principal i.e. 2 disks ?

No the Honda has one DVD disc with both Software and Maps on it.

While the Sat Nav has a few minor issues with Pubs and Fast Food, otherwise I find it great and better than the Tom Tom had.

Ian

[DUNCAN]

minor issue satnav hi hi ( out of date by 2 to 3 years ) .HFT useless I say 0 it says 4. I say 0161304 it says 443044 ,iv give up on it .

[Pottsy]

Originally Posted by DUNCAN

minor issue satnav hi hi ( out of date by 2 to 3 years ) .HFT useless I say 0 it says 4. I say 0161304 it says 443044 ,iv give up on it .

Duncan,

All maps on all satnav systems are out of date. It's just a question of by how much, and a couple of years is quite normal. The DVD you have is a year old anyway!

And don't give up, say "zero" not "oh" and you'll be calling your mates in no time!

[Ancient Nerd]

In the UK, there are two providers of mapping data, Navtech and TeleAtlas. There are also two providers of TMC data, ITIS and TrafficMaster

There are many providers of DVD or CD mapping disks. In the case of the Civic, I think the disk is provided by Alpine. They collect data from various providers, including Navtech for the mapping data, and TrafficMaster for the TMC data. Whoever provides the POIs was obviously a poor choice.

For comparison, the map CD on my previous Renault was provided by Navtech. However, it was also possible to obtain CDs from Siemens (VDO Dayton) and TeleAtlas. The Navtech CD contained map data from Navtech, the TeleAtlas had map data from TeleAtlas, while Siemens provided disks with either Navtech or TeleAtlas mapping data.

It would be interesting to know if Alpine provide DVDs that are compatible with the Civic system. If so, they are likely to be cheaper than the Honda ones at replacement time. The inclusion of the software on the same disk probably makes that less likely.

[TTDegs]

Has anyone tried reading the CD on a PC?


Lots of the info in the above posts rings bells - dredging my (likely to be faulty!) memory I seem to recall that most manufacturers do indeed outsource their map data, then pay the supplier extra to add their own POI - eg Honda dlrships in this case.

In theory, if you are happy to do without knowing where your nearest Honda dlr is, you could just go direct to the source and buy the generic map data, including whatever POIs come with that.

BUT - as Ancient Nerd says, if the s/w is on the same disc, might need to do some copying / burning to get it to work.

And more to the point, we shouldn't need to

[elfa7]

Thanks Pottsy for the explanation of the Airbus AIGS.

So the only difference between the Honda and Airbus is Honda doesn't know where it is --- and doesn't know where it is'nt.

[Pottsy]

Originally Posted by TTDegs

Has anyone tried reading the CD on a PC?

Just a bit...
http://www.civinfo.com/forum/picture...nav-vt333.html

So other manufacturers don't pinch POIs, the data is encrypted. The WinCE operating system, the voice control, the maps and the POIs are all so intertwined you will just have to buy a new DVD periodically.

[TTDegs]

LOL - so much for that idea then...

cheers (as ever) Pottsy - I should have put 2 and 2 together with your picture hack really

blonde moment!

[Ancient Nerd]

Originally Posted by Pottsy

Have Honda actually claimed that we should get pubs and fast food POIs in the UK?

The following is taken from the current Honda Civic brochure

It also provides over 2 million POIs (Points of Interest) stored on the system’s DVD containing information on everything from amenities and activities to your nearest Honda Dealer. It will even help you find your preferred choice of restaurant.

Which I suppose is correct if you don't mind travelling 70 miles to the nearest Indian, rather than the one round the corner; or go to France if you have a yearning for fast food.

[pjelsworth]

Originally Posted by elfa7

Good job your aircraft aren't supplied with this "navigational aid".

How do you get the screen to display like this? I can't find it on mine, and it looks very useful

[TTDegs]

when you've entered your destination address (or POI or whatever), choose the 'calc 5 routes' option instead of the 'set as destination' one

[pjelsworth]

Thanks .... I continue to learn

[Miggins]

The problems listed here are similar to the issues I have with my handheld Garmins (not as out of date on the maps I'm pleased to say) but there are plenty of POI's for France and much fewer for the UK - McD's being the classic, with none in the UK. This I believe is due to all GPS manufacturers sourcing their info from the same places and being under the same restrictions.

Can you load your own POI's - there are plenty of websites/user groups that offer them for free - you just need the correct format. This is far better than relying on your vehicles manufacturer (I don't expect Handa will put a link to receive free updates on their website) and you will be able to create your own and d/l far more useful POIs such as speed cameras etc.

I too have had weird routing issues but most are sorted by Garmins regular 'FREE' firmware updates. Some mistakes are my own stupid fault. When set as a pedestrian, routes always go the wrong way around a round-a-bout - oooeeeer!