9G facelift and 1.6 diesel

[NH Dan]

13. Fuel Cap - Capless Refueling system standard on the diesel.

DAB to be launched on the 1.6 Dtec and others no doubt as its in the CR-V now.

As for the others, it really does amaze me, if Honda had put half that stuff on a car, YOU amongst many others would be "whats the point in that?" "who's that going to help?" "if you need that, you shouldnt be driving etc etc"

[Eurogreg]

Originally Posted by NH Dan

13. Fuel Cap - Capless Refueling system standard on the diesel.

DAB to be launched on the 1.6 Dtec and others no doubt as its in the CR-V now.

As for the others, it really does amaze me, if Honda had put half that stuff on a car, YOU amongst many others would be "whats the point in that?" "who's that going to help?" "if you need that, you shouldnt be driving etc etc"

I have to agree. The Honda fan is a strange kind, hates most of the things its belobved company makes

[Eurogreg]

The facelift info was figured on the basis of missing brochures, maybe it really does refer to the sedan which is sold in normal petrol form (1.6 and 1.8) in Hungary, as it is going to be facelifted with its USDM sister.

[Alsone]

Originally Posted by NH Dan

13. Fuel Cap - Capless Refueling system standard on the diesel.

DAB to be launched on the 1.6 Dtec and others no doubt as its in the CR-V now.

As for the others, it really does amaze me, if Honda had put half that stuff on a car, YOU amongst many others would be "whats the point in that?" "who's that going to help?" "if you need that, you shouldnt be driving etc etc"

Well not really Dan. Can't afford to change and wouldn't buy the non-facelifted 9 gen anyway.

My point was really what I said above, Honda no longer seem to be leading the pack in innovation and whilst I would have to concede the EX has some of the Ford's features, more than I thought, it seems the Ford is still well ahead in tech by around twice as many features looking at the annotated list, and not all on the top model.

As for not needing things like collision avoidance tech, well you probably shouldn't but it stops expensive mistakes like eg a momentary lack of concentration. Anything that prevents that has to be a good thing.

Equally radar self parking if accurate, has to be a good thing given the size of some spaces. One less thing to worry about.

[Kremmen]

just my thoughts:


1. Parks itself at the push of a button totally hands off using radar guidance Don't want it, don't trust it, I can reverse park a car OK

2. Has Emergency Brake Assistance which automatically increases breaking power in emergency situations Civic has EBA ?

3. Active City Stop (low speed radar controlled collision avoidance) to prevent in traffic shunts I prefer to control my own braking

4. Xenon lights as standard I agree

5. Auto-high Beam I prefer to do my own full beam

6. Auto-dimming rear view Mirror Nope, I leave mine on permanent dip 24x7 to dim the DRL's

7. Tyre Deflation detection and warning Civic has this on higher spec's

8. Lane Departure Warning System Horrible thing, used one on a Citroen

9. Driver Alert tiredness detections system I know when I'm tired

10. Hill Start Assist Civic has this ?

11. Radar to detect and warn of cars hidden in the mirrors blind spots Never had this issue

12. Keyless Entry Dangerous these days ala BMW

13. Fuel Cap - Capless Refueling system Over design - Saves flicking a lever !

14. Traffic Sign Recognition Why ? Most signs are instantly recognisable anyway

15. Parking Sensors I Agree

16. Static cornering assist lighting Whatever that is ?

17. Heated Washer Jets Heated washer bottle could be useful

18. Electrically Heated Windscreen Ford group have this expensively patented

19. Sony DAB Audio system with up to 9 speakers or Sony Navigation System (although Ford system is standard on most models) DAB option would be nice

[NH Dan]

Originally Posted by Alsone

Well not really Dan. Can't afford to change and wouldn't buy the non-facelifted 9 gen anyway.

My point was really what I said above, Honda no longer seem to be leading the pack in innovation and whilst I would have to concede the EX has some of the Ford's features, more than I thought, it seems the Ford is still well ahead in tech by around twice as many features looking at the annotated list, and not all on the top model.

As for not needing things like collision avoidance tech, well you probably shouldn't but it stops expensive mistakes like eg a momentary lack of concentration. Anything that prevents that has to be a good thing.

Equally radar self parking if accurate, has to be a good thing given the size of some spaces. One less thing to worry about.

read up some of the tech spec about these systems. YOU still have control over the car, its only the steering that the cars controls, its illegal otherwise, hence the fact that braking systems only slow the car not bring it to a total halt. Look at the size of the spaces needed to use these systems, you could park a truck in them. Useless .

[Syx]

Originally Posted by NH Dan

The 2.2 is a jap built unit so costs a fortune to import, the 1.6 is a swindon built lump so doesnt. They will continue with the 2.2 for some time as it offers a 'power' alternative over the 120bhp 1.6 idtec.

There are plans for a 100/120 and 150 bhp version of the 1.6 as it will be replacing all current diesel options, including apparently the Accord.

As for the brake lights and light clusters, don't hold your breath

I had no idea that was the case, interesting!

Originally Posted by Kremmen

just my thoughts:

[snip]

My problem with most of these things is that they require the driver to become more reliant on technology and not actually drive the car.
A driver used to a radar detection system or auto-braking gets into a car that doesn't have those things - and then can potentially be more of a risk because they're used to those aids being there.

[NH Dan]

tbh is mainly just manaufactured and assembled in part over here but still has to be shipped over. The 1.6 idtec is a euro spec engine for a euro market, entirely swindon job so ultimately will cost less to produce/install.

[Alsone]

Originally Posted by Syx

My problem with most of these things is that they require the driver to become more reliant on technology and not actually drive the car.
A driver used to a radar detection system or auto-braking gets into a car that doesn't have those things - and then can potentially be more of a risk because they're used to those aids being there.

No different to ABS really.

IF collision avoidance helps reduce collisions then who cares if it removes some driving skill. Quite frankly there's very little skill in trundling along in traffic at 5mph anyway and if collision avoidance helps avoid shunts through tiredness or lack of concentration then its all to the good in my book.

Its only around 2 months since I had a post office van shunt into the back of me in stationary traffic after the driver appeared to fall asleep at the wheel. If collision avoidance had stopped the van ebfore the collision then it would have saved a lot of hassle and a reduction in insurance claims would keep premiums down, so these systems are all good in my book.

I take Dan's point on size of parking space, not used one of these systems so don't know how much space they require. If Honda could get them working in tight spaces though, it would again be a definite plus from my POV. Parallel parking is a pain especially if its something you don't do often. Anything that automatically handles it, provided its reliable, again has to be a good thing.

[Syx]

Originally Posted by Alsone

No different to ABS really.

IF collision avoidance helps reduce collisions then who cares if it removes some driving skill. Quite frankly there's very little skill in trundling along in traffic at 5mph anyway and if collision avoidance helps avoid shunts through tiredness or lack of concentration then its all to the good in my book.

Its only around 2 months since I had a post office van shunt into the back of me in stationary traffic after the driver appeared to fall asleep at the wheel. If collision avoidance had stopped the van ebfore the collision then it would have saved a lot of hassle and a reduction in insurance claims would keep premiums down, so these systems are all good in my book.

I take Dan's point on size of parking space, not used one of these systems so don't know how much space they require. If Honda could get them working in tight spaces though, it would again be a definite plus from my POV. Parallel parking is a pain especially if its something you don't do often. Anything that automatically handles it, provided its reliable, again has to be a good thing.

Very different to ABS. ABS as a system is for emergency use, day to day you'd never need it. Radar detection for your blind spot is something you can get used to very quickly as it's there all the time being used... and therefore has a lot of potential for harm when a driver becomes dependent on it.
I've already been near-killed more times than I'd like on the motorway on my motorbike due to drivers not looking, anything that increases the likelihood of them relying on anything other than their eyes is a concern for me.

[Alsone]

Originally Posted by Syx

Radar detection for your blind spot is something you can get used to very quickly as it's there all the time being used... and therefore has a lot of potential for harm when a driver becomes dependent on it.
I've already been near-killed more times than I'd like on the motorway on my motorbike due to drivers not looking, anything that increases the likelihood of them relying on anything other than their eyes is a concern for me.

But how do you know if any of those cars had it?

You've just made a very good point. Drivers fail to look in many cases anyway so equally such a system could save your life by alerting drivers like that to your presence.

There's no excuse for becoming overly reliant on any system but they can help. Take parking sensors for instance. How many damaged bumpers have been avoided becuase of them? However, it doesn't mean you can simply ignore what you see out of the window because you have them fitted because there will always be the day when one of them on a vital corner isn't working so the sysetm says OK when the window says NO.

I used the ABS example above because its interesting. When ABS 1st came out it was hailed as the saviour of motoring and accident rates fell. Then the authorities noticed accident rates rising again - as you presumed with some of these other systems, some drivers had become used to relying on the systems to save them and were now braking even later to compensate with the result that they were getting into situations where the braking distance was too short and even ABS couldn't avoid a collision. However, ABS is still fitted to cars today because it still provides a vital driver aid in reducing collisions. Sure it can't save you if you become overly reliant on it (presuming company car drivers as most private motorists can afford to lock their tyres up regularly). However, it can still reduce accidents in situations where drivers aren't constantly relying on it but accidentally get themselves into a situation where they'd have to brake so hard they'd otherwise lock up and lose steering control. So its still a good thing and still reduces accidents compared to not having it fitted. However, it can't compensate for human idiocy and nor can any system. You always need a brain behind the wheel and not just a muppet.

[Syx]

Originally Posted by Alsone

But how do you know if any of those cars had it?
Based on how long it's been happening for and the technology only recently being available I'd assume they didn't have it - but that wasn't the point I was making.

You've just made a very good point. Drivers fail to look in many cases anyway so equally such a system could save your life by alerting drivers like that to your presence.
Can't argue there, at least until drivers become dependent on it.

[snip]
You always need a brain behind the wheel and not just a muppet.

This last bit hits on the point I'm trying to make.
Driver aids, IMO, are increasing the number of muppets on the road in the long term... and there are enough of them out there already. Too many drivers rely on the car to do the work for them, the example with the parking sensors is a good one as I know a few family members who have bumped into things due to relying on them and not looking only to find they didn't pick up a wooden pole or something similar.

I'm not trying to argue that they shouldn't be installed as for competent drivers they make life easier and provide additional information to improve safety. It's just a shame that so many people on the road are not what I would call "competent drivers".

[Alsone]

Originally Posted by Syx

It's just a shame that so many people on the road are not what I would call "competent drivers".

I couldn't agree more.

I recently had a guy in a Corsa take the right hand lane at a roundabout. He then set off decided he wanted to go 2nd left and rather than go round the roundabout, dived across all 3 lanes straight in front of me (I was in the middle lane) and turned left. Nearly wiped me out and if anyone had been up my left hand side going left, it was a certain collision. I have the whole thing in nice HD video which is now going to the Police. Don't often report people as I'm no perfect driver myself, I probably drive too fast at times and I probably make mistakes but to dive across 3 lanes of an island from the outer lane to inner just after setting off straight in front of other traffic really takes the stupidity award.

[Syx]

Originally Posted by Alsone

I couldn't agree more.

I recently had a guy in a Corsa take the right hand lane at a roundabout. He then set off decided he wanted to go 2nd left and rather than go round the roundabout, dived across all 3 lanes straight in front of me (I was in the middle lane) and turned left. Nearly wiped me out and if anyone had been up my left hand side going left, it was a certain collision. I have the whole thing in nice HD video which is now going to the Police. Don't often report people as I'm no perfect driver myself, I probably drive too fast at times and I probably make mistakes but to dive across 3 lanes of an island from the outer lane to inner just after setting off straight in front of other traffic really takes the stupidity award.

Boggles the mind, it really does.

If you don't mind me going off topic a little, what do you use to record in car? I was looking at Roadhawk and Blackvue cameras but they're somewhat pricey...

[Alsone]

Something even more pricey, a GoPro HD Hero 2.

I actually bought it because I had another use for it so its kind of dual purpose. It's not that ideal for in the car tbh as the focus is set to basically zero and although depth of field makes everything look in focus, you can't read number plates from the video unless they're within a few feet of your bumper. Everything looks shapr but you can't make out the letters and numbers. In the above video I was next to the other car in the middle lane, so I have a perfect plate shot. Another 10 foot back and it wouldn't be readable. Not a problem with accidents where you stop and exchange details but a problem for non crash related incidents.

[Syx]

Originally Posted by Alsone

Something even more pricey, a GoPro HD Hero 2.

I actually bought it because I had another use for it so its kind of dual purpose. It's not that ideal for in the car tbh as the focus is set to basically zero and although depth of field makes everything look in focus, you can't read number plates from the video unless they're within a few feet of your bumper. Everything looks shapr but you can't make out the letters and numbers. In the above video I was next to the other car in the middle lane, so I have a perfect plate shot. Another 10 foot back and it wouldn't be readable. Not a problem with accidents where you stop and exchange details but a problem for non crash related incidents.

Actually a little bit cheaper! Thanks for the info

[riciks]

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[NH Dan]

As advised previously - absolutely NO revison of tail lights/clusters

http://www.civinfo.com/forum/general...t-updates.html

[Alsone]

Originally Posted by NH Dan

As advised previously - absolutely NO revison of tail lights/clusters

http://www.civinfo.com/forum/general...t-updates.html

SO they're sticking with the Prius style rear end after all?

[electric]

Thank goodness for that. I like the high lights they look much more modern than on the old Civic. Also handy when backing into trees as they don't get broken!