Induction Cain Injen Installed - Page 2

ante00 · 10th January 2008, 22:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinoc

Interesting , does the 18" wheels have less weight than 17 " or why the one with 18 " has more gain ?
Or pic 1 is for 18 " wheels and vice versus ?

What are the data measured for stock Civic : hp, wheel hp, torque , ... ?

well in first dyno is full stock (civic without cai....factory airbox, 17" wheels), and as I know 18" have more weight...Storms are on civic with CAI (18")....and if you know 18" or 17" Storm has more weight then standard alloy

dinoc · 10th January 2008, 23:13

So only ~ 2hp gain ... I've expected more, but this could be due the heavy 18" wheels, also ...
For instant K&N advertises (with dyno sheet ) for their Typhon kit (US civic) with 5.7 hp gain.

mark511915 · 11th January 2008, 03:25

thanks for the sound clips sounding good , very good !

GHGH · 11th January 2008, 06:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by ante00

well in first dyno is full stock (civic without cai....factory airbox, 17" wheels), and as I know 18" have more weight...Storms are on civic with CAI (18")....and if you know 18" or 17" Storm has more weight then standard alloy

See these links from knd:

"I have a link somewhere, with some wheel weight.
Wheel Weights Specs Guide
and here is another one
WHEELWEIGHTS.NET

just a few good and light wheels: Kosei K1, OZ Superleggera, most of Rota(Sub-Zero, Circuit 8, Circuit 10 they are replicas of mugen wheels), Momo Corse (i have ones in my "future" old car :P....civic 1.8 is comming next week )"

illegalhunter · 11th January 2008, 07:44

a lot of money for not alot of gain

ante00 · 11th January 2008, 07:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by illegalhunter

a lot of money for not alot of gain

yes but there isn't anything else you can do on 1.8 engine....

2GHGH: i know that but when you have in your hand 17" stock alloy and 17" storm alloy you will feal the difference...belive me

dinoc · 11th January 2008, 11:06

So the "storm" are heavier ?
It will be interesting to see a dyno with OEM 17 inches wheels or lighter, we should see a 4-5 hp increase.
And a CAI gives another thing (not just hp) , you can rev faster in high rpm.

Unknownsoldier · 11th January 2008, 11:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by ante00

yes but there isn't anything else you can do on 1.8 engine....

2GHGH: i know that but when you have in your hand 17" stock alloy and 17" storm alloy you will feal the difference...belive me

You can add a supercharger quite easily from what I've heard.

But other than that there is not much else, mine personally seems to go rather fast [not type R territory, but fast enough for round here, not an autobahn in sight

] (I ran it in using the mototune method, and it seems to have kept it going well, if not helping the fuel economy much

).

Tom

GHGH · 14th January 2008, 07:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by ante00

2GHGH: i know that but when you have in your hand 17" stock alloy and 17" storm alloy you will feal the difference...belive me

Just to sort this out: I was trying to quote knd on this (but not successfully

).

My opinion is that a wheel should be as light as (practical) possible. Less unsprung weight is good for the handling on bad roads (which I drive regularly).

dinoc · 14th January 2008, 08:33

Talking about 17" wheels .... I'm not sure I've understood, which ones are heavier the stock ones or the "Storm" ones ?

GHGH · 14th January 2008, 08:47

Well, we are totally off thread topic now (as usually

);
I have not seen any storm weights yet.
My stock 17" with primacy tyres weigh 21 kg each.

Unknownsoldier · 14th January 2008, 10:13

Storm.

Tom

illegalhunter · 14th January 2008, 12:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by ante00

yes but there isn't anything else you can do on 1.8 engine....

2GHGH: i know that but when you have in your hand 17" stock alloy and 17" storm alloy you will feal the difference...belive me

You should have got the R

dinoc · 14th January 2008, 13:06

... please don't give us this line again !
The Type-R does not have 5 doors and some of us do have family and kids.
If a 5-doors Type-R will come in the future, I'll buy one

Nick · 17th January 2008, 12:10

i hear vtec changeover on the last vid. around 5300rpm. sounds

Nick7 · 17th January 2008, 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick

i hear vtec changeover on the last vid. around 5300rpm. sounds

Nope, you dont

There is no VTEC changeover (as one would expect) on 1.8 engine.

Unknownsoldier · 17th January 2008, 16:37

Vtec changeover??????????????????????????????

Nick7 · 18th January 2008, 23:10

By 'changeovers' it's meant VTEC kicking in... but on 1.8 it is not possible to hear/feel it due to way it works on this engine.

skam · 19th January 2008, 08:50

Nick 7 is right. our i-vtec actually works in 2 modes:
The first one (economy mode) under 3500rpm
and the second one after 3500rpm(normal mode)
We can have normal mode also when we have full throttle or full acceleration in any rpm's. Sorry...no type-r vtec mode for us!!!

ante00 · 19th January 2008, 09:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by skam

Nick 7 is right. our i-vtec actually works in 2 modes:

i think it's in 3 modes (stages)

10th January 2008, 23:13	#22 (permalink)
dinoc Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 9th August 2007 Location: Bucharest Posts: 165 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	So only ~ 2hp gain ... I've expected more, but this could be due the heavy 18" wheels, also ... For instant K&N advertises (with dyno sheet ) for their Typhon kit (US civic) with 5.7 hp gain. Last edited by dinoc; 10th January 2008 at 23:20.

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GHGH Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 940 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well, we are totally off thread topic now (as usually); I have not seen any storm weights yet. My stock 17" with primacy tyres weigh 21 kg each.

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This thread is about: Cain Injen Installed, it's in Engines and Transmission at the Honda Civic forum Civinfo; Originally Posted by dinoc Interesting , does the 18" wheels have less weight than 17 " or why the one with 18 " has more ...

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mark511915 Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 25th December 2007 Location: durban southafrica Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks for the sound clips sounding good , very good !

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illegalhunter HACKIN & SLAYIN Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: In the woods armed to the teeth Posts: 2,424 Thanks: 4 Thanked 22 Times in 21 Posts	a lot of money for not alot of gain

11th January 2008, 11:06	#27 (permalink)
dinoc Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 9th August 2007 Location: Bucharest Posts: 165 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	So the "storm" are heavier ? It will be interesting to see a dyno with OEM 17 inches wheels or lighter, we should see a 4-5 hp increase. And a CAI gives another thing (not just hp) , you can rev faster in high rpm.

14th January 2008, 08:33	#30 (permalink)
dinoc Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 9th August 2007 Location: Bucharest Posts: 165 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Talking about 17" wheels .... I'm not sure I've understood, which ones are heavier the stock ones or the "Storm" ones ?

14th January 2008, 10:13	#32 (permalink)
Unknownsoldier Comedian/Smart Ase Civinfo guru* Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 2,415 Thanks: 46 Thanked 25 Times in 23 Posts	Storm. Tom

14th January 2008, 13:06	#34 (permalink)
dinoc Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 9th August 2007 Location: Bucharest Posts: 165 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	... please don't give us this line again ! The Type-R does not have 5 doors and some of us do have family and kids. If a 5-doors Type-R will come in the future, I'll buy one

17th January 2008, 12:10	#35 (permalink)
Nick Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 9th May 2006 Location: London Posts: 230 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i hear vtec changeover on the last vid. around 5300rpm. sounds

17th January 2008, 16:37	#37 (permalink)
Unknownsoldier Comedian/Smart Ase Civinfo guru* Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 2,415 Thanks: 46 Thanked 25 Times in 23 Posts	Vtec changeover??????????????????????????????

18th January 2008, 23:10	#38 (permalink)
Nick7 Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 10th August 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 449 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	By 'changeovers' it's meant VTEC kicking in... but on 1.8 it is not possible to hear/feel it due to way it works on this engine.

19th January 2008, 08:50	#39 (permalink)
skam Greek Subtopic Moderator Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 7th October 2006 Location: ATHENS, HELLAS Posts: 655 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Nick 7 is right. our i-vtec actually works in 2 modes: The first one (economy mode) under 3500rpm and the second one after 3500rpm(normal mode) We can have normal mode also when we have full throttle or full acceleration in any rpm's. Sorry...no type-r vtec mode for us!!!