Run in How are you supposed to drive the car for the running in? (merged)

stu_iow · 10th September 2006, 11:11

I heard some engines perfer being pushed, some like to be handled gently.

What is the best way to run a I-VETC engine in?

Unguided · 10th September 2006, 13:04

Well I'm currently driving mine gently, keeping revs at about 3000 which with the 6th gear means that you can quite happily do 70 on motorways.

allan40alt · 10th September 2006, 13:14

Just be sensible. Don't over rev the engine. It's a brand new car, so it's more than just the engine that needs 'bedding in'.

There's lots of advice in the handbook as well.

Martin · 10th September 2006, 19:05

Honda engines can take an awful lot of punishment, even from new.

I suggest that my clients take it nice and easy for the first 1000 miles or so, just to be sure.

In all fairness though, as soon as the engine is warm, you can give it a hiding, but thats only because round here you will get stuck behind some one driving slowly within three minutes!!

basegreen · 10th September 2006, 19:21

I definitely recommend giving the engine some stick in the first 500 miles - it's MEANT to be revved. Keeping mine under 3000 for the run in period would be unthinkable

(im on about the 1.8 btw

)

johnd · 11th September 2006, 15:41

They say you should rev the engine high during the first 0-50 miles so that the rings and bores get a better seal. The better the seal, the less compression and fuel is lost, so more power hopefully. Have a look at this link; http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

basegreen · 11th September 2006, 15:44

I did that, on the articles advice, and no problems so far.

Only reason why I would be careful in first 400 or so miles would be to ensure all the safety features aren't completely broken.

ie VSA, brakes, etc.

Pottsy · 11th September 2006, 17:21

I run my cars in in accordance with the motortune method. My oil level in the Civ at 8500 miles is still above the upper dot.... Looks like it works!

stu_iow · 11th September 2006, 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pottsy

I run my cars in in accordance with the motortune method. My oil level in the Civ at 8500 miles is still above the upper dot.... Looks like it works!

Pottsy, are you referring to this link, as posted above?

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

Pottsy · 11th September 2006, 18:24

Yes. Drive carefully until fully warmed up, then do a few "runs" as detailed in that article. Drive normally, but avoid motorways, and avoid needless hard work (full throttle at high revs and full throttle at low revs).

Simple really!

SUPERTEACH · 11th September 2006, 19:29

Who remembers the
Running in-please pass
stickers then?

Velocity · 12th September 2006, 10:30

Superteach I remember the running in signs (even though i'm a young man 44)

Velocity

elfa7 · 12th September 2006, 11:19

Gosh, that brought back memories.

pikkumies · 12th September 2006, 11:39

a collegue of mine has had two type-r's. He did the firsts run in really gently, this caused it to use oil. The next one he pounded not vigorously, but still gave it a lot more pedal than the first one. It didnt use any oil at all.

I drove the car normally during my break in perioid, once got the rpm's to 6k (oops). Doesnt use any oil at all.. 6000 km's on the meter.

Trekker308 · 12th September 2006, 12:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUPERTEACH

Who remembers the
Running in-please pass
stickers then?

The funniest one I saw was on a Ferrari Testarossa - fat chance of passing that .....

PTR · 4th October 2006, 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pottsy

do a few "runs"
Drive normally, but avoid motorways, and avoid needless hard work (full throttle at high revs and full throttle at low revs).

i am going to have my car soon so I really would like to know how I should break it in.

I have just read through the MotoTune website, but for me it is not 100% clear how shuld I drive on the street. (May be it is because of my not perfect english also)

So how is it really?
I take the car from the dealer, warm it up and... waht next?

Should I do this?:

Do Three 1/2 Throttle dyno runs from
40% - 60% of your engine's max rpm

Do Three 3/4 Throttle dyno runs from
40% - 80% of your engine's max rpm

Do Three Full Throttle dyno runs from
30% - 100% of your engine's max rpm

In wich gear?

After this section is period is my engine completely boken in?
Can I drive as I want? Or should I drive carefully (low RPMs, low throttle)?

What about the oil change? Did you cahnge the oil as the MotoMan said?

I think that this complete process had been already done at the factory where the engine was built, am I right?

Hmm too many questions.. I know!

mitokde · 8th October 2006, 21:04

well...I am still not conviced about either opinions...conservatively, I would drive the first 600 miles carefully, but that is about a month after geting the car for me...and I want to feel the power of dreams I pay for, so I guess, at times, I'll have to punish it a bit...normally I drive low RPMs anyway

Pottsy · 9th October 2006, 09:15

All that we're trying to do is get the piston rings to seal well (giving good power and low oil consumption).

It's not done at the factory, but normally is done by the idiots who load the cars on and off the ferries (not applicable for us) and by the junior mechanic who test drives the car before delivery.

Simply: drive normally, but do not go on any motorways for 600 miles. Every so often overtake a car or two in a spirited fashion.

Avoid: long distances at a constant speed and light throttle. Working the engine very hard at low revs and prolonged use of high revs (ie, drive normally).

We did this. The car runs beautifully, and at 9800 miles the oil level is still just above the "high" mark.

Copycat · 9th October 2006, 10:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pottsy

It's not done at the factory, but normally is done by the idiots who load the cars on and off the ferries (not applicable for us) and by the junior mechanic who test drives the car before delivery.

Oi! That'd be me then.

Or used to be me, but have since moved on to work in an office. And I know exactly what you mean. Most stevedores know not to do that, but unfortunately there's always a few who give the cars full throttle for the half mile they get to drive them.

I'm glad to report though that this is not so much the case anymore. At least where I work, things (and drivers) have become more sensible over time.

Pottsy · 9th October 2006, 11:39

That's good to hear! I remember watching them at Felixstowe a few years ago... wheelspins, handbrake turns, all with the rev limiter banging away. Was terrible to see, just glad I wasn't getting one of the cars involved.

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10th September 2006, 13:04	#2 (permalink)
Unguided Wheelnut Join Date: 4th June 2006 Location: London Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Well I'm currently driving mine gently, keeping revs at about 3000 which with the 6th gear means that you can quite happily do 70 on motorways.

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allan40alt Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: Rugby, Warwickshire. Posts: 2,245 Thanks: 12 Thanked 33 Times in 31 Posts iTrader: (0)	Just be sensible. Don't over rev the engine. It's a brand new car, so it's more than just the engine that needs 'bedding in'. There's lots of advice in the handbook as well.

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Martin Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 18th August 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 226 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Honda engines can take an awful lot of punishment, even from new. I suggest that my clients take it nice and easy for the first 1000 miles or so, just to be sure. In all fairness though, as soon as the engine is warm, you can give it a hiding, but thats only because round here you will get stuck behind some one driving slowly within three minutes!!

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basegreen Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 15th April 2006 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,870 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	I definitely recommend giving the engine some stick in the first 500 miles - it's MEANT to be revved. Keeping mine under 3000 for the run in period would be unthinkable (im on about the 1.8 btw )

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johnd Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 27th June 2006 Location: Bath Posts: 139 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	They say you should rev the engine high during the first 0-50 miles so that the rings and bores get a better seal. The better the seal, the less compression and fuel is lost, so more power hopefully. Have a look at this link; http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

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basegreen Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 15th April 2006 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,870 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	I did that, on the articles advice, and no problems so far. Only reason why I would be careful in first 400 or so miles would be to ensure all the safety features aren't completely broken. ie VSA, brakes, etc.

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Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,083 Thanks: 17 Thanked 111 Times in 64 Posts iTrader: (0)	I run my cars in in accordance with the motortune method. My oil level in the Civ at 8500 miles is still above the upper dot.... Looks like it works!

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Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,083 Thanks: 17 Thanked 111 Times in 64 Posts iTrader: (0)	Yes. Drive carefully until fully warmed up, then do a few "runs" as detailed in that article. Drive normally, but avoid motorways, and avoid needless hard work (full throttle at high revs and full throttle at low revs). Simple really!

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Velocity Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 21st August 2006 Location: Rotherham Posts: 343 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Superteach I remember the running in signs (even though i'm a young man 44) Velocity

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pikkumies Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 14th May 2006 Location: Jyväskylä, Finland Posts: 282 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	a collegue of mine has had two type-r's. He did the firsts run in really gently, this caused it to use oil. The next one he pounded not vigorously, but still gave it a lot more pedal than the first one. It didnt use any oil at all. I drove the car normally during my break in perioid, once got the rpm's to 6k (oops). Doesnt use any oil at all.. 6000 km's on the meter.

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mitokde Valve Cap Join Date: 4th October 2006 Location: Budapest, H Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	well...I am still not conviced about either opinions...conservatively, I would drive the first 600 miles carefully, but that is about a month after geting the car for me...and I want to feel the power of dreams I pay for, so I guess, at times, I'll have to punish it a bit...normally I drive low RPMs anyway

9th October 2006, 09:15	#18 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,083 Thanks: 17 Thanked 111 Times in 64 Posts iTrader: (0)	All that we're trying to do is get the piston rings to seal well (giving good power and low oil consumption). It's not done at the factory, but normally is done by the idiots who load the cars on and off the ferries (not applicable for us) and by the junior mechanic who test drives the car before delivery. Simply: drive normally, but do not go on any motorways for 600 miles. Every so often overtake a car or two in a spirited fashion. Avoid: long distances at a constant speed and light throttle. Working the engine very hard at low revs and prolonged use of high revs (ie, drive normally). We did this. The car runs beautifully, and at 9800 miles the oil level is still just above the "high" mark.

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Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,083 Thanks: 17 Thanked 111 Times in 64 Posts iTrader: (0)	That's good to hear! I remember watching them at Felixstowe a few years ago... wheelspins, handbrake turns, all with the rev limiter banging away. Was terrible to see, just glad I wasn't getting one of the cars involved.