Transmission I-Shift Driving

thanksdenis · 25th September 2006, 23:52

Having had my 1.8 I-Shift for a few weeks (minus a week for repairs after an accident

) I still can't quite get my head round the I-Shift auto gear change.

The problem is when driving between 20 - 40mph. I'm not sure what the gear ratios are but I guess quite low. I reckon the car is trying to get into 4th around 25mph and 5th 35-40mph. So if I accelerate from, say, 15 - 35 in second and take my foot off to allow the gearbox to catch up then it throws a bit of a wobbler resulting in me being virtually stationary whilst it has a good think - and then invariabaly either stays in second (because I was too impatient) or goes in to third, accelerates for a few mph and then wants to go into 4th.

This is damn annoying!!

It's probably all down to my school boy driving, but does anyone have a particular tip or technique that they've found works for them?

And one other thing, does anyone know if there's a 'mute' option for the stereo that canbe activated on the wheel/stalks? There doesn't appear to be, but then there's so many buttons around that it could be anywhere!

Maldax · 26th September 2006, 00:46

I have only had mine a week, but find that the trick is to keep the throttle smooth, as soon as you take your foot off (even just a smidge) she hunts for a gear again. Just keep is smooth and she does the same

Jazz · 26th September 2006, 01:11

Hi guys, Hope this post helps

http://www.civinfo.com/forum/showpos...22&postcount=8

TTDegs · 26th September 2006, 23:46

I apologise in advance if this post is of no help at all

Before the Civ, I drove a TT with the DSG gearbox - which sounds very much live the i-shift.

That said, I've never driven an i-shift, so it could be completly different...

The DSG box, under light throttle, insisted on being in 6th by the time you got to 30mph.
Trying to accelerate (hard) from this speed meant it jumping down at least 3 gears.
It was very good at going down 1 gear (it had 2 clutches, with the 'other' one having the next expected gear pre-selected), but 3 at a time could fool it a bit.

many DSG owners were getting hacked off with this - to the point where several had demanded (and got) their 'boxes replaced - only to find the same problem...

I actually had a long meeting with the Audi DSG Tech Team on behalf of the Owners Club, and came away with the following words of wisdom - hopefully some of the may help

1) It's a semi-auto box. NOT an automatic. It is 'simply' (completly the wrong word!) a manual gearbox with an electronic clutch and a brain to guess at what gear you want
2) 90% plus of the time the gear that it guesses you want will be the right one. This is actually bad news, because it means you will notice more when it gets it wrong...
3) Whilst very clever, it's not telepathic, and there is no forward facing camera to give it any clues. This means it can't know for sure if you are slowing down slightly (due to traffic perhaps), or slowing down because you want to stop. It doesn't know it you have hit the gas simply to overtake something, or because you got the to big white circle with the black line.
4) When approaching a roundabout, should it change down next because the roundabout is full, or stay in the same gear because it's empty? In fact, is it a roundabout ahead?

What it all boiled down to was this:
If you are about to do something that the car can't possibly predict - take control, either with the stick, or with the paddles.

This simple bit of advice completly revolutionised the driving experience for many DSG owners - hopefully it will help here too

Maldax · 27th September 2006, 09:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by TTDegs

1) It's a semi-auto box. NOT an automatic. It is 'simply' (completly the wrong word!) a manual gearbox with an electronic clutch and a brain to guess at what gear you want
2) 90% plus of the time the gear that it guesses you want will be the right one. This is actually bad news, because it means you will notice more when it gets it wrong...
3) Whilst very clever, it's not telepathic, and there is no forward facing camera to give it any clues. This means it can't know for sure if you are slowing down slightly (due to traffic perhaps), or slowing down because you want to stop. It doesn't know it you have hit the gas simply to overtake something, or because you got the to big white circle with the black line.
4) When approaching a roundabout, should it change down next because the roundabout is full, or stay in the same gear because it's empty? In fact, is it a roundabout ahead?

What it all boiled down to was this:
If you are about to do something that the car can't possibly predict - take control, either with the stick, or with the paddles.

To quote the great man

'I couldn't have put it better myself'

allan40alt · 27th September 2006, 09:06

The really good feature of the i-Shift is that you still have involvement with driving the car. You don't just sit there and steer (although you can do if you want to) and that's what makes so enjoyable

.

thanksdenis · 27th September 2006, 15:28

Sound advice - it's all a question of getting used to it I suppose.

Having driven it around the manicness that is Brightonm town centre today I certainly have no problem with it when poodling about!

Charles_Harding · 30th September 2006, 15:14

Un-automatic auto

Got me worried at the time

MC Hammer · 30th September 2006, 19:43

The i-shift is a manual gearbox with auto control (same gears as a manual car) It's only the change and selection that's makes it unique.
So as TTDegs says grab the beast by the horns and take control, should save any probs like CH !

Charles_Harding · 1st October 2006, 13:24

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maldax

My guess is when you changed you did not have you foot on the brake. Happend to me but I was just playing at the time

Brake definitely on - size 12's as well!!!!

Will try not to need 'Emergency' reverse anyway in future!

Charles_Harding · 7th October 2006, 15:28

http://www.civinfo.com/forum/showthr...0344#post20344

Nice to know?

25th September 2006, 23:52	#1 (permalink)
thanksdenis Valve Cap Join Date: 1st August 2006 Location: Crawley, West Sussex Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I-Shift Driving Having had my 1.8 I-Shift for a few weeks (minus a week for repairs after an accident ) I still can't quite get my head round the I-Shift auto gear change. The problem is when driving between 20 - 40mph. I'm not sure what the gear ratios are but I guess quite low. I reckon the car is trying to get into 4th around 25mph and 5th 35-40mph. So if I accelerate from, say, 15 - 35 in second and take my foot off to allow the gearbox to catch up then it throws a bit of a wobbler resulting in me being virtually stationary whilst it has a good think - and then invariabaly either stays in second (because I was too impatient) or goes in to third, accelerates for a few mph and then wants to go into 4th. This is damn annoying!! It's probably all down to my school boy driving, but does anyone have a particular tip or technique that they've found works for them? And one other thing, does anyone know if there's a 'mute' option for the stereo that canbe activated on the wheel/stalks? There doesn't appear to be, but then there's so many buttons around that it could be anywhere!

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26th September 2006, 00:46	#2 (permalink)
Maldax Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 12th June 2006 Location: Reading, Berks Posts: 1,051 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I have only had mine a week, but find that the trick is to keep the throttle smooth, as soon as you take your foot off (even just a smidge) she hunts for a gear again. Just keep is smooth and she does the same

26th September 2006, 01:11	#3 (permalink)
Jazz Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 26th July 2006 Location: Magic Roundabout Posts: 273 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hi guys, Hope this post helps http://www.civinfo.com/forum/showpos...22&postcount=8

26th September 2006, 23:46	#4 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	I apologise in advance if this post is of no help at all Before the Civ, I drove a TT with the DSG gearbox - which sounds very much live the i-shift. That said, I've never driven an i-shift, so it could be completly different... The DSG box, under light throttle, insisted on being in 6th by the time you got to 30mph. Trying to accelerate (hard) from this speed meant it jumping down at least 3 gears. It was very good at going down 1 gear (it had 2 clutches, with the 'other' one having the next expected gear pre-selected), but 3 at a time could fool it a bit. many DSG owners were getting hacked off with this - to the point where several had demanded (and got) their 'boxes replaced - only to find the same problem... I actually had a long meeting with the Audi DSG Tech Team on behalf of the Owners Club, and came away with the following words of wisdom - hopefully some of the may help 1) It's a semi-auto box. NOT an automatic. It is 'simply' (completly the wrong word!) a manual gearbox with an electronic clutch and a brain to guess at what gear you want 2) 90% plus of the time the gear that it guesses you want will be the right one. This is actually bad news, because it means you will notice more when it gets it wrong... 3) Whilst very clever, it's not telepathic, and there is no forward facing camera to give it any clues. This means it can't know for sure if you are slowing down slightly (due to traffic perhaps), or slowing down because you want to stop. It doesn't know it you have hit the gas simply to overtake something, or because you got the to big white circle with the black line. 4) When approaching a roundabout, should it change down next because the roundabout is full, or stay in the same gear because it's empty? In fact, is it a roundabout ahead? What it all boiled down to was this: If you are about to do something that the car can't possibly predict - take control, either with the stick, or with the paddles. This simple bit of advice completly revolutionised the driving experience for many DSG owners - hopefully it will help here too

27th September 2006, 09:06	#6 (permalink)
allan40alt Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: Rugby, Warwickshire. Posts: 2,255 Thanks: 12 Thanked 33 Times in 31 Posts iTrader: (0)	The really good feature of the i-Shift is that you still have involvement with driving the car. You don't just sit there and steer (although you can do if you want to) and that's what makes so enjoyable .

27th September 2006, 15:28	#7 (permalink)
thanksdenis Valve Cap Join Date: 1st August 2006 Location: Crawley, West Sussex Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Sound advice - it's all a question of getting used to it I suppose. Having driven it around the manicness that is Brightonm town centre today I certainly have no problem with it when poodling about!

30th September 2006, 15:14	#8 (permalink)
Charles_Harding Civinfo guru Join Date: 14th August 2006 Location: S.E. London Posts: 3,303 Thanks: 113 Thanked 27 Times in 26 Posts iTrader: (0)	Un-automatic auto Got me worried at the time

30th September 2006, 19:43	#9 (permalink)
MC Hammer Kids use a lot of space Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 16th June 2006 Location: UK Posts: 618 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	The i-shift is a manual gearbox with auto control (same gears as a manual car) It's only the change and selection that's makes it unique. So as TTDegs says grab the beast by the horns and take control, should save any probs like CH !

1st October 2006, 13:24	#10 (permalink)
Charles_Harding Civinfo guru Join Date: 14th August 2006 Location: S.E. London Posts: 3,303 Thanks: 113 Thanked 27 Times in 26 Posts iTrader: (0)	Quote: Originally Posted by Maldax My guess is when you changed you did not have you foot on the brake. Happend to me but I was just playing at the time Brake definitely on - size 12's as well!!!! Will try not to need 'Emergency' reverse anyway in future!

7th October 2006, 15:28	#11 (permalink)
Charles_Harding Civinfo guru Join Date: 14th August 2006 Location: S.E. London Posts: 3,303 Thanks: 113 Thanked 27 Times in 26 Posts iTrader: (0)	http://www.civinfo.com/forum/showthr...0344#post20344 Nice to know?