Fuel Premium grade diesel?

3rd Honda · 29th September 2006, 06:55

I normally use standard grade diesel, and had occasion to fill up with the more expensive 'premium' grade recently. I cannot say I have noticed any difference, though I have not really been 'looking' for differences.

Has anyone else tried this, and what were the results?

What are the proposed advantages of the 'premium' variety?

Cleaner?
Better economy?
Smoother?
Better performance?

karlak · 29th September 2006, 07:15

I use BP ultimate Diesel 'fairly' often, normally when I notice the price difference to Normal Diesel is not so high.

Anyway, in my Golf 2.0 Gt Tdi, the engine is definitely smoother, quieter, has quicker response. But, the main difference is that the mpg improves anywhere between 3 - 6 mpg. I notice that it is when the engine is cold, or when driving in towns that the ultimate seems to give better mpg.

Works for me, and with the mpg figures being better then there is little or no difference in the cost.

Charley Farley · 29th September 2006, 09:38

Hi third Honda and Karlak

I use Millers Diesel Clean plus in conjuction with texaco fuel. The Millers additive provides lubrication for the fuel pump and raises the cetane value which means you get better performance roughly 5Bhp and better fuel economy. It really works.

Pottsy · 29th September 2006, 10:09

I put in BP Ultimate recently. The car was noticeably smoother, and very possibly more powerful (but only a touch, and it could have been an illusion caused by the smoothness). But for one reason or another, mpg went down by 5 or 6, though this could have been due to me enjoying the fuel...

richierich · 29th September 2006, 10:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charley Farley

Hi third Honda and Karlak

I use Millers Diesel Clean plus in conjuction with texaco fuel. The Millers additive provides lubrication for the fuel pump and raises the cetane value which means you get better performance roughly 5Bhp and better fuel economy. It really works.

I saw a Diesel additive in Halfrauds the other day, I think it was Wynnes though, are they okay to use, they don't cause any problems in the long term? Thoughts would be appreciated. Also if they slightly raise the fuel economy do they pay for themselves, I don't recall the price.

Charley Farley · 29th September 2006, 23:28

Hi richierich

I used quite a few additives from halfords in my time. I found that Slick 50 fuel treatment is very good and Redex. But the ultimate is Millers Diesel Clean Plus. Its a good alround addtive.

richierich · 30th September 2006, 09:43

Is it widely available the Millers stuff?

Cad · 30th September 2006, 17:09

I used to notice the difference, when using BP Ultimate in my 2.0 TDCI Mondeo, but I'm hard pushed to notice such a difference in the Civic.

Charley Farley · 30th September 2006, 21:14

Hi richierich

I'm afraid that the it's not that wildly available. The best I can do for you is give you there telephone no. 01484 713201. Address: Millers Oils Ltd, Brighouse, West Yorkshire. HD6 3DP. By the way there oils are brilliant. Diesel Specfic so copes with soot and sulphur and is available in semi-synthetic or fully synthetc. Different viscosities are also available ie 0-30w, 0-40w 0-50w etc. I haven't found another company so far that does a diesel specific oil that's as good.

IWANTACIVIC · 1st October 2006, 21:28

that miller stuff sounds good how much is it , and how offen do u put it in ? im my presnt car i use astra 3000 very good i think 3-5 mpg better make oil last long , lowers oil useage etc not bad for £20 for 20k miles life

Charley Farley · 1st October 2006, 22:25

Hi IWANTACIVIC

Well it costs about £8.00 a bottle and you put a measured amount in every time you fill the tank or 1/2 the tank. It's probably good for 5-6 mpg better. But what you really notice is that the engine is quieter and performance especially in the mid range is better. And like you your astra 3000 makes the oil last longer.

IWANTACIVIC · 2nd October 2006, 05:25

cool mite look into it how many fill ups to u think u get from bottle?

Toonman · 3rd October 2006, 18:37

After seemingly spending the last 5+ years looking for Optimax/98 Octane to run the Subarus on, I was more than happy to have little in the way of options when it came to Diesel. BP Ultimate doesn't really work with Scoobs, just like I'm told Evos don't like Optimax. After a couple of tankfuls of Ultimate Diesel, I'm not sure Hondas like the BP stuff anymore than Subarus. My average is 44.5 (up from 43 on Supermarket fuel) and dropping. I reckon it'll be close to 43 again by the time I've used this tank. It possibly makes the engine run smoother, but only possibly... Certainly there's no extra performance - not like the extra 20% power Optimax gave with the Scoobs.

Looks like it's back to the Supermarkets for us - maybe with a shot of Millers.

Pottsy · 3rd October 2006, 20:14

Richierich wrote:

Quote:

(Originally by Charley Farley)--- Hi IWANTACIVIC

Well it costs about £8.00 a bottle and you put a measured amount in every time you fill the tank or 1/2 the tank. It's probably good for 5-6 mpg better. But what you really notice is that the engine is quieter and performance especially in the mid range is better. And like you your astra 3000 makes the oil last longer.

Is it Diesel Clean Plus or Diesel Power Plus, I have googled for it and there seem to be a couple of Millers products. Which one is it?

http://im.edirectory.co.uk/products/2830/i/webdpp.jpg

http://im.edirectory.co.uk/products/225/i/mildc.jpg

Charley Farley · 3rd October 2006, 23:46

Hi richierich

I use Diesel Clean Plus, I haven't seen Diesel Power for sale.

karlak · 4th October 2006, 07:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charley Farley

Hi richierich

I use Diesel Clean Plus, I haven't seen Diesel Power for sale.

This is the Diesel power stuff, can be bought direct or a little cheaper on Ebay etc.

http://www.millersoils.net/purchase.cgi

I know that it has a very good response from the guys in the Volkswagen/seat/audi forums.

Charley Farley · 4th October 2006, 15:19

Hi Karlak
If you go to www.millersoils.co.uk there is a Shop finding service on the site. Just put your postcode in. By the way Millers Power Plus is the new name for Diesel Clean Plus and they also do a 0w-30 Honda conforming oil.

richierich · 4th October 2006, 15:51

Decided to go with BP Ultimate rather than a fuel additive, can't buy the additive with my company fuel card, can buy the Ultimate though. Averaging 8.5-8.9p/mile on Shell, lets see what BP Ultimate works out at.

Tydo · 4th October 2006, 16:03

Tried them all in France and found that the fuel economy was best using the Shell V-Power Diesel but they were all much better than the rubbish we get here and the price was comparable.

IWANTACIVIC · 11th October 2006, 03:33

Found this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MakeTrack=true
£8.69 with p+p sime cheap ill try some when i get the car , bit dearer over 20 thousand mile but worth a try

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29th September 2006, 07:15	#2 (permalink)
karlak Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 3rd June 2006 Posts: 432 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I use BP ultimate Diesel 'fairly' often, normally when I notice the price difference to Normal Diesel is not so high. Anyway, in my Golf 2.0 Gt Tdi, the engine is definitely smoother, quieter, has quicker response. But, the main difference is that the mpg improves anywhere between 3 - 6 mpg. I notice that it is when the engine is cold, or when driving in towns that the ultimate seems to give better mpg. Works for me, and with the mpg figures being better then there is little or no difference in the cost.

29th September 2006, 09:38	#3 (permalink)
Charley Farley Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 25th September 2006 Location: Greenford West London Posts: 486 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hi third Honda and Karlak I use Millers Diesel Clean plus in conjuction with texaco fuel. The Millers additive provides lubrication for the fuel pump and raises the cetane value which means you get better performance roughly 5Bhp and better fuel economy. It really works.

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Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,090 Thanks: 18 Thanked 111 Times in 64 Posts iTrader: (0)	I put in BP Ultimate recently. The car was noticeably smoother, and very possibly more powerful (but only a touch, and it could have been an illusion caused by the smoothness). But for one reason or another, mpg went down by 5 or 6, though this could have been due to me enjoying the fuel...

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Charley Farley Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 25th September 2006 Location: Greenford West London Posts: 486 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hi richierich I used quite a few additives from halfords in my time. I found that Slick 50 fuel treatment is very good and Redex. But the ultimate is Millers Diesel Clean Plus. Its a good alround addtive.

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richierich Smell My Cheese! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 17th May 2006 Location: Bicester, Oxfordshire Posts: 1,847 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Is it widely available the Millers stuff?

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Cad estranged Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 5th June 2006 Location: Upstairs Posts: 391 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I used to notice the difference, when using BP Ultimate in my 2.0 TDCI Mondeo, but I'm hard pushed to notice such a difference in the Civic.

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Charley Farley Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 25th September 2006 Location: Greenford West London Posts: 486 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hi richierich I'm afraid that the it's not that wildly available. The best I can do for you is give you there telephone no. 01484 713201. Address: Millers Oils Ltd, Brighouse, West Yorkshire. HD6 3DP. By the way there oils are brilliant. Diesel Specfic so copes with soot and sulphur and is available in semi-synthetic or fully synthetc. Different viscosities are also available ie 0-30w, 0-40w 0-50w etc. I haven't found another company so far that does a diesel specific oil that's as good.

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IWANTACIVIC Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 16th September 2006 Location: LINCS UK Posts: 658 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	that miller stuff sounds good how much is it , and how offen do u put it in ? im my presnt car i use astra 3000 very good i think 3-5 mpg better make oil last long , lowers oil useage etc not bad for £20 for 20k miles life

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Charley Farley Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 25th September 2006 Location: Greenford West London Posts: 486 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hi IWANTACIVIC Well it costs about £8.00 a bottle and you put a measured amount in every time you fill the tank or 1/2 the tank. It's probably good for 5-6 mpg better. But what you really notice is that the engine is quieter and performance especially in the mid range is better. And like you your astra 3000 makes the oil last longer.

2nd October 2006, 05:25	#12 (permalink)
IWANTACIVIC Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 16th September 2006 Location: LINCS UK Posts: 658 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	cool mite look into it how many fill ups to u think u get from bottle?

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Toonman Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 7th September 2006 Location: North East of England Posts: 126 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	After seemingly spending the last 5+ years looking for Optimax/98 Octane to run the Subarus on, I was more than happy to have little in the way of options when it came to Diesel. BP Ultimate doesn't really work with Scoobs, just like I'm told Evos don't like Optimax. After a couple of tankfuls of Ultimate Diesel, I'm not sure Hondas like the BP stuff anymore than Subarus. My average is 44.5 (up from 43 on Supermarket fuel) and dropping. I reckon it'll be close to 43 again by the time I've used this tank. It possibly makes the engine run smoother, but only possibly... Certainly there's no extra performance - not like the extra 20% power Optimax gave with the Scoobs. Looks like it's back to the Supermarkets for us - maybe with a shot of Millers.

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Charley Farley Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 25th September 2006 Location: Greenford West London Posts: 486 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hi richierich I use Diesel Clean Plus, I haven't seen Diesel Power for sale.

4th October 2006, 15:19	#17 (permalink)
Charley Farley Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 25th September 2006 Location: Greenford West London Posts: 486 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hi Karlak If you go to www.millersoils.co.uk there is a Shop finding service on the site. Just put your postcode in. By the way Millers Power Plus is the new name for Diesel Clean Plus and they also do a 0w-30 Honda conforming oil.

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richierich Smell My Cheese! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 17th May 2006 Location: Bicester, Oxfordshire Posts: 1,847 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Decided to go with BP Ultimate rather than a fuel additive, can't buy the additive with my company fuel card, can buy the Ultimate though. Averaging 8.5-8.9p/mile on Shell, lets see what BP Ultimate works out at.

4th October 2006, 16:03	#19 (permalink)
Tydo Wheelnut Join Date: 16th August 2006 Posts: 78 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Tried them all in France and found that the fuel economy was best using the Shell V-Power Diesel but they were all much better than the rubbish we get here and the price was comparable.

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IWANTACIVIC Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 16th September 2006 Location: LINCS UK Posts: 658 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Found this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MakeTrack=true £8.69 with p+p sime cheap ill try some when i get the car , bit dearer over 20 thousand mile but worth a try