Oil Which Oil in your 2.2 CTDi? - Page 2

Ancient Nerd · 15th December 2006, 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by PTR

A1/B1 is an older spec
A3/B3 is the newer version of A1/B1 so you can use it!

but do not use A5/B5 this is not similar to A3/B3 (A1/B1)!!

No, A1/B1 is a current spec. intended for high economy engines.

PTR · 15th December 2006, 21:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ancient Nerd

No, A1/B1 is a current spec. intended for high economy engines.

Right not old, but look at this:

ACEA categories
A/B – Petrol and diesel engine oils.
(A indicates a petrol engine oil and B is for light duty diesel engines)

A1 / B1
Oils intended for use in petrol and diesel car and light commercial vehicles specifically capable of using low friction, low viscosity oils with high temperature / high shear characteristics.
A3 / B3
For use in high performance petrol and diesel cars and light commercials where extended drain intervals are specified by the vehicle manufacturer and / or for year-round use of low viscosity oils and / or for use in severe operating conditions as defined by the vehicle manufacturer.
A3 / **
For use in high performance petrol and direct injection diesel engines. Also suitable for applications described under B3.
A5 / B5
For use at extended oil change intervals in high performance car and light commercial petrol and diesel engines designed for low viscosity oils.

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So you use better A3/B3/**!

Fedorov · 16th December 2006, 00:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hartside

I'm afraid so Fed. I spoke with a mechanic at the delearship though and he says the diesel Accords/Civic and CRV's are all filled with Castrol Edge (non diesel) come service time, so it's safe to use the oil you have just bought. I top mine up with the non diesel stuff as well.

Phew, thanks Hartside!

Charley Farley · 16th December 2006, 00:41

When my car eventually arrives I'm either going to use Mobil 1 or Millers Long Life 0w 30 both oils exceed the requirements of Honda's current specification.

misterpro · 25th December 2006, 20:37

Castrol SLX Longtec 0W30

Since Edge is not available in Belgium at all ( I suspect castrol to sell off their stock of "old crap" to other countries and only supply UK with Edge for now

)

offcourse it won't kill my engine but I kinda wanted to use Edge from the start...

PS: for non believers... no Edge on www.castrol.be www.castrol.nl or www.castrol.com, only www.castrol.co.uk

czechplastik · 25th December 2006, 23:21

Seems mad we can't agree on this!

Hartside · 26th December 2006, 10:57

Quote:

Castrol SLX Longtec 0W30

Don't worry, Edge superseded SLX Longtec. SLX Longtec is perfectly fine to use as it meets all the required specs

Brian · 27th December 2006, 22:25

Spot on Hartside longtec slx has been replaced with edge. My local coop petrol station was selling off the longtec stuff at £9.99. Bought a couple of bottles to keep me going just couldn't resist the bargain.

Miggins · 31st December 2006, 03:36

On getting mine back after its first service - the kind dealer left a full container of Edge in a nice 'top up' zipper bag on the front seat.

First time I've ever had that - but then it does like to drink it! I don't know if this is standard practice or just because I complained about the oil consumption?

terry · 31st December 2006, 10:11

So what is the difference between the "Edge 0-30" and "Edge 0-30 Diesel"?
If there is a difference why doesn't it say on the bottle, and why is the non diesel version suitable for both?

heysidays · 31st December 2006, 11:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by terry

So what is the difference between the "Edge 0-30" and "Edge 0-30 Diesel"?
If there is a difference why doesn't it say on the bottle, and why is the non diesel version suitable for both?

i would also like to know the answer to this question.

terry · 2nd January 2007, 11:38

This is what I got from Castrol when I asked what the difference was:

"Layman's terms - the Diesel version is the latest Low SAPS ( Low
Sulphated Ash, Phosphorous and Sulphur ) performance specification for
the Euro 4 diesel engines with diesel particulate filters ( such as BMW
LL04, MB 229.31 ) whereas the EDGE 0W-30 does not meet the latest Low
SAPS specs for diesel engines. So You can use the EDGE 0W-30 in older
diesel engines and up to date petrol engines, but for the very latest (
2006 onward )diesel engines I would suggest the EDGE Turbo Diesel 0W-30
would be better.

Hope that helps

Kind regards

Andy Griffin
Castrol Technical Support"

terry · 2nd January 2007, 21:10

....and the follow up question and answer:

Q. Hi Andy,
Thanks for the explanation.
On the castrol website if you look for oil for a Honda Civic diesel the
results don't show to use the diesel version.

A. That's because Honda don't use DPF's yet. We normally recommend the EDGE
0W-30 for all Honda's ( and cars without specific DPF needs ) - the
additive package in the EDGE 0W-30 would be my preferred choice over the
EDGE Turbo Diesel for cars that don't have DPF.

Cheers

Andy

Charley Farley · 3rd January 2007, 19:14

Hi Terry

Honda's diesel engine doesn't need a particulate filter. Apparently its so clean a filter is not necessary. Even the new diesel engine due in 3 years time does not have one.

terry · 3rd January 2007, 22:39

Re-reading the first reply from Castrol, Andy recommends the Edge Diesel, but then in the second reply he recomends the "ordinary" because of the additive package!
I'm still confused!
And I still don't understand why the diesel is so much more to service than a petrol!

terry · 4th January 2007, 09:59

More from Andy at Castrol:

"In the first reply I said that the EDGE Turbo Diesel was better in the
very latest ( 2006 onward ) diesel engines as these tend to have a DPF -
you never even mentioned Honda in your first email !

The way it works is that the DPF can be blocked by the metallic
additives in some oils ( such as EDGE 0W-30 ) so these are taken out -
so in theory, the additive package in the EDGE 0W-30 will be better as
the additives are still in there - and as your car doesn't have a DPF
you can use the oil with the extra additives, which in theory, will give
you better protection - because the Honda doesn't have need for low SAPS
spec oils, we recommend the EDGE 0W-30."

So I'm going to have to change the Edge 0-30Diesel I bought for top-up to the ordinary Edge 0-30.

Miggins · 4th January 2007, 10:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miggins

On getting mine back after its first service - the kind dealer left a full container of Edge in a nice 'top up' zipper bag on the front seat.

I have just checked what top up oil the dealer gave me - its Shell Helix Plus 10W-40 Semi Synthetic! I though it should be 0W 30 Fully Synthetic which is what I have been using/topping up with???

Called the dealer and he says it's correct - Whats going on?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++
UPDATE:
Just spoken to Honda UK and after checking with their technical resources they have confirmed that the oil must be either 0W30 or 5W40 NOT 10W40 - this is going to be fun!

Suggest a new option - 'The WRONG OIL ! ! ! ! !'

Miggins · 16th January 2007, 09:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miggins

I have just checked what top up oil the dealer gave me - its Shell Helix Plus 10W-40 Semi Synthetic! I though it should be 0W 30 Fully Synthetic which is what I have been using/topping up with???

Called the dealer and he says it's correct - Whats going on?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++
UPDATE:
Just spoken to Honda UK and after checking with their technical resources they have confirmed that the oil must be either 0W30 or 5W40 NOT 10W40 - this is going to be fun!

Suggest a new option - 'The WRONG OIL ! ! ! ! !'

UPDATE
Civ went back in yesterday - they dropped the oil and refilled with 0W30 - Shell's variant!
'Sorry sir, it was a mistake' Not impressed!

DUNCAN · 16th January 2007, 23:08

Did thay say what oil for 18i.vtec.

..THE WRONG OIL ????

Type S Bournemouth · 17th July 2007, 00:04

my dealer used 10w 40 in my civic and told me i can use any brand i want as long as its 10w 40 and part synthetic.

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